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[Benny The Noon]

Speaking of Lucas, I can't be  trying to insert an image of his chalkboard but if you have a look at it on the Guardian website you will see he was fecking everywhere on the pitch and only misplaced one pass in 90 minutes. The second time in a row he's come up against United and been arguably the best CM on the pitch, the dirty, fouling little douche-bag



Coming from a manc , amazing how an oppo fan can see how well he played yet our own fans fail too

Yeah the shot was pretty poor considering - shooting is definatly not one of his strong points

The pass i think both players are a bit culpable tbh Bob , the pass wasnt inch perfect but still gave kuyt a great chance but got stuck under his feet , even then when he did control it he still had a good chance .

[Bad Bob]

To be honest, I'd rate Lucas higher were it not for that glaring miss from 6 yards out.  Harsh perhaps to dwell on one moment but those are the chances that you need to at least get on target against the Mancs.  Aurelio had a similar golden opportunity with his header but he failed to get it across the keeper.  Still he worked VDS.  Another slight disappointing moment for Lucas was the pass to Kuyt on the 3 on 2.  It was the right pass to make (as opposed to the ball to Torres) but he didn't lead Kuyt enough with the pass and Dirk had to check his run before getting off a tame shot/cross.  A better ball there and we've got a glorious scoring opportunity.  So, two moments where I thought Lucas could have done better to capitalize on gaps in the Manc defense.  As I say, you can't afford too many of those to go begging in this fixture.  With all that said, we got there comfortably in the end and he was otherwise excellent.   Not MOTM excellent, IMO, but excellent nonetheless.

I thought the pass was ok bob it was kuyts poor first touch for me, his touch should have cushoned the ball slightly forwards, it didnt it almost stopped dead and left the ball stuck under his feet.
I dont think there was much wrong with the pass at all.

The glaring miss ? Is that the one on his left foot that dropped to him in the area ?
Ho should have controlled that shot better without doubt but i wouldnt say it was a glaring miss with it being on his left foot on the half volley and with the area being packed with players infront of him.

It's all about opinions, mate.  I thought Lucas could have done a little better with both but, as I say, he was otherwise excellent.  I still think he did Kuyt no favours with the pass but Kuyt didn't have an especially good touch to compensate either.

The other dimension to this 'analysis' of course is the fact that the game was 0-0 at the time and I was quite tense watching things unfold.  When two decent chances crop up at 0-0 and we don't work the keeper with either of them, I get nervous and a little vexed.  The wife had to leave the room when Masch decided to go for goal from range rather than playing the ball to Kuyt in space to his right a few moments after! 

[Benny The Noon]

The wife not like an Angry Bob then .

Yeah sometimes the wrong option was taken on sat but a lot of that comes through experience - Yossi took the wrong option a couple of times as well - sometimes i just wish he would just put the laces through the ball . But all is well that ends well . We were creating the chances so was happy - just about

[made in UK]

To be honest, I'd rate Lucas higher were it not for that glaring miss from 6 yards out.  Harsh perhaps to dwell on one moment but those are the chances that you need to at least get on target against the Mancs.  Aurelio had a similar golden opportunity with his header but he failed to get it across the keeper.  Still he worked VDS.  Another slight disappointing moment for Lucas was the pass to Kuyt on the 3 on 2.  It was the right pass to make (as opposed to the ball to Torres) but he didn't lead Kuyt enough with the pass and Dirk had to check his run before getting off a tame shot/cross.  A better ball there and we've got a glorious scoring opportunity.  So, two moments where I thought Lucas could have done better to capitalize on gaps in the Manc defense.  As I say, you can't afford too many of those to go begging in this fixture.  With all that said, we got there comfortably in the end and he was otherwise excellent.   Not MOTM excellent, IMO, but excellent nonetheless.

I thought the pass was ok bob it was kuyts poor first touch for me, his touch should have cushoned the ball slightly forwards, it didnt it almost stopped dead and left the ball stuck under his feet.
I dont think there was much wrong with the pass at all.

The glaring miss ? Is that the one on his left foot that dropped to him in the area ?
Ho should have controlled that shot better without doubt but i wouldnt say it was a glaring miss with it being on his left foot on the half volley and with the area being packed with players infront of him.

Agreed 

Apart from the silly and consistent fouls the only time I remember Lucas making a 'hash' of it. Was when Kuyt I think it was played a ball out wide-ish into the path of Lucas. He was in acres of space and probably could of gotten alot closer to the Manc 18 yard box before having a decent effort. Instead he barely took advantage of the area he was in (which was a good area) and scuffed his shot. This resulted in a corner.

When Lucas took on that pass I had visions of Gerrard running onto that ball, (while the mancs were singing 'spot the scousers on the Kop) and Gerrard ramming home from all of 35 yards an absolute pile driver that Barthez couldn't get nowhere near to.

Remember this: Clicky

[Zurbaran]

Think you're being a bit harsh on the shot. The ball was bouncing up at him on his bad side whilst O'Shea was pressuring. Even taking those two slight mistakes into account. He ran the midfield for 95 minutes and in the last, spread an inch perfect pass to diggler (that was only bettered all game by Yossi's assist) when he could have panicked and hoofed it. Then ran from the edge of his own box collecting the return before putting it on a plate for N'gog. A great way to cap off his MOTM performance.

[Benny The Noon]

This is Lucas chalkboard from Sunday

Chalkboard

[Reg]

Benny, the chalk board is blank for me mate.

[Benny The Noon]

It takes a while to load up Reginald - but a summary is the guy was fecking everywhere passing the ball in all directions - 5 yard-20 yards with only one misplaced pass.

[Rockthekop]

Kuyt was very poor on Sunday, kept giving the ball away, touch like an elephant and wasted some good chances where he should have tested the keeper at least.

When he's playing well, he's not bad, when he's playing poorly, he's awful.

[Sabre]

To be honest, I'd rate Lucas higher were it not for that glaring miss from 6 yards out.  Harsh perhaps to dwell on one moment but those are the chances that you need to at least get on target against the Mancs.  Aurelio had a similar golden opportunity with his header but he failed to get it across the keeper.  Still he worked VDS.  Another slight disappointing moment for Lucas was the pass to Kuyt on the 3 on 2.  It was the right pass to make (as opposed to the ball to Torres) but he didn't lead Kuyt enough with the pass and Dirk had to check his run before getting off a tame shot/cross.  A better ball there and we've got a glorious scoring opportunity.  So, two moments where I thought Lucas could have done better to capitalize on gaps in the Manc defense.  As I say, you can't afford too many of those to go begging in this fixture.  With all that said, we got there comfortably in the end and he was otherwise excellent.   Not MOTM excellent, IMO, but excellent nonetheless.

I thought the pass was ok bob it was kuyts poor first touch for me, his touch should have cushoned the ball slightly forwards, it didnt it almost stopped dead and left the ball stuck under his feet.
I dont think there was much wrong with the pass at all.

The glaring miss ? Is that the one on his left foot that dropped to him in the area ?
Ho should have controlled that shot better without doubt but i wouldnt say it was a glaring miss with it being on his left foot on the half volley and with the area being packed with players infront of him.

It's all about opinions, mate.  I thought Lucas could have done a little better with both but, as I say, he was otherwise excellent.  I still think he did Kuyt no favours with the pass but Kuyt didn't have an especially good touch to compensate either.

The other dimension to this 'analysis' of course is the fact that the game was 0-0 at the time and I was quite tense watching things unfold.  When two decent chances crop up at 0-0 and we don't work the keeper with either of them, I get nervous and a little vexed.  The wife had to leave the room when Masch decided to go for goal from range rather than playing the ball to Kuyt in space to his right a few moments after! 

Spot on about the pass to Kuyt. Granted that if that same ball was received by a Gerrard, Torres or a Romario he would do a better control. But the pass itself wasn't that good precisely for the reason you mention.

[Benny The Noon]

Kuyt was very poor on Sunday, kept giving the ball away, touch like an elephant and wasted some good chances where he should have tested the keeper at least.

When he's playing well, he's not bad, when he's playing poorly, he's awful.

Yet was still able to help create both goals 

[Owzat]

There's a significant amount of irony when people are debating Kuyt who has ZERO votes so noone is suggesting he was MOTM The Benayoun Bandwagon is gathering speed I see

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To be honest, I'd rate Lucas higher were it not for that glaring miss from 6 yards out.  Harsh perhaps to dwell on one moment but those are the chances that you need to at least get on target against the Mancs.  Aurelio had a similar golden opportunity with his header but he failed to get it across the keeper.  Still he worked VDS.  Another slight disappointing moment for Lucas was the pass to Kuyt on the 3 on 2.  It was the right pass to make (as opposed to the ball to Torres) but he didn't lead Kuyt enough with the pass and Dirk had to check his run before getting off a tame shot/cross.  A better ball there and we've got a glorious scoring opportunity.  So, two moments where I thought Lucas could have done better to capitalize on gaps in the Manc defense.  As I say, you can't afford too many of those to go begging in this fixture.  With all that said, we got there comfortably in the end and he was otherwise excellent.   Not MOTM excellent, IMO, but excellent nonetheless.

I thought the pass was ok bob it was kuyts poor first touch for me, his touch should have cushoned the ball slightly forwards, it didnt it almost stopped dead and left the ball stuck under his feet.
I dont think there was much wrong with the pass at all.

The glaring miss ? Is that the one on his left foot that dropped to him in the area ?
Ho should have controlled that shot better without doubt but i wouldnt say it was a glaring miss with it being on his left foot on the half volley and with the area being packed with players infront of him.

spot on mate, I think everyone knows if that had been Torres rather than Kuyt who received that ball it would have been a goal. 

It wasn't the easiest pass to make either as Kuyt had started to cut inside just a little too early imo.

I don't want to knock Kuyt because his effort and commitment in the game was outstanding and he really personified the work effort of the whole team. However I think he knew he should have done better with the couple of chances he had first half, and that affected his confidence when he was put through by Benny in the second half.

Back to Lucas I thought he did well but not exceptional even with his pass success, while Scholes (the ginger kunt) was for me outstanding even with his mistake and similar pass success. So its not just about how many passes you make but the quality of them.

[Greavesie]

nice to see you back s@int

[Benny The Noon]

To be honest, I'd rate Lucas higher were it not for that glaring miss from 6 yards out.  Harsh perhaps to dwell on one moment but those are the chances that you need to at least get on target against the Mancs.  Aurelio had a similar golden opportunity with his header but he failed to get it across the keeper.  Still he worked VDS.  Another slight disappointing moment for Lucas was the pass to Kuyt on the 3 on 2.  It was the right pass to make (as opposed to the ball to Torres) but he didn't lead Kuyt enough with the pass and Dirk had to check his run before getting off a tame shot/cross.  A better ball there and we've got a glorious scoring opportunity.  So, two moments where I thought Lucas could have done better to capitalize on gaps in the Manc defense.  As I say, you can't afford too many of those to go begging in this fixture.  With all that said, we got there comfortably in the end and he was otherwise excellent.   Not MOTM excellent, IMO, but excellent nonetheless.

I thought the pass was ok bob it was kuyts poor first touch for me, his touch should have cushoned the ball slightly forwards, it didnt it almost stopped dead and left the ball stuck under his feet.
I dont think there was much wrong with the pass at all.

The glaring miss ? Is that the one on his left foot that dropped to him in the area ?
Ho should have controlled that shot better without doubt but i wouldnt say it was a glaring miss with it being on his left foot on the half volley and with the area being packed with players infront of him.

spot on mate, I think everyone knows if that had been Torres rather than Kuyt who received that ball it would have been a goal. 

It wasn't the easiest pass to make either as Kuyt had started to cut inside just a little too early imo.

I don't want to knock Kuyt because his effort and commitment in the game was outstanding and he really personified the work effort of the whole team. However I think he knew he should have done better with the couple of chances he had first half, and that affected his confidence when he was put through by Benny in the second half.

Back to Lucas I thought he did well but not exceptional even with his pass success, while Scholes (the ginger kunt) was for me outstanding even with his mistake and similar pass success. So its not just about how many passes you make but the quality of them.

As shows in the chalkboard mate Lucas's passes were mixed all through the game - short ones to keep possesion , crossfield passes , passes that spreaded the play and on the point of scholes wasnt it Lucas who initially robbed him when that chance for Kuyt was presented ?