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[Lando_Griffin]

Because he picked them, he bought them, he trained them, he motivated them, he told them what tactics to use. FFS Lando so Rafa Benitez had nothing to do with the performance? Does that mean that we are paying him for nothing? That when we won the CL he had nothing to do with that performance either?

On second thoughts maybe he didn't ...... MAYBE IT WAS PACO 

yes i find it very funny how since paco left we have gone tits up mabye paco was the shadow manager at club and rafa was his muppet errrr i meen puppet.

I take it we didn't go unbeaten then this season?

I take it we didn't w*nker teams all over the park?

You're a f*cking prune at times lad.

We were unbeaten yet kept losing ground on the leaders. Not to mention the football we play is shocking.  The football under roy evans is the best I have seen since the 80's and the fact is evans still got us the closest to the title.

8-0, 6-0, 4-0, 4-0, 4-0, 4-1, 4-1, 3-0.

I could barely keep my eyes open.

[LittleHobo]

luton team cost 600k

our team cost 60 million

its embarassing, i wouldnt mind it if rafa came out after and said it wasnt good enough, but he never tells the truth

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I agree with Lando.

This was and FA cup game that meant everything for Luton this season and Rafa rested our best players(which in turn hurt us more than Rafa wants to admit).

They fought for every inch on the field and deserved the draw. But once at Anfield Luton have had their fun and it'll be a comfortable win.

If there are positives to take out from such a game, I see some.

Like for every game that goes by and one more game for kuyt to show everyone what a shower of ***** he really is.
Absolutely zero ability and I'm just begging Rafa to take of his glasses in this case. Morientes was a failure in the PL, as were Gonzalez. They went pretty quickly. I put Kuyt in the exact same category. I'm not saying Voronin is much better, but:

1) he has only been here half a season and isn't Rafa's 1st choice all the time. Voronin is our 4th striker, get the least time and therefore I expect production of a 4th striker.
Kuyt has played more minutes than any other striker that past 2 seasons and is showing game after game what an offensive non-factor he is. Only way to make him look half decent is to let him take the penalties(which he never creates himself)

2) Since Voronin is our 4th choice and was brought on a free transfer he would fetch at most around £2 million. Kuyt who gets worth less every game would at least bring back £5(million). And selling 2 strikers at the same time makes no sense.


I am not as surprised this season as many others who believe our squad is so great and every one of them is practically world class.
Only players with good enough footballing ability and useful for the future are:

Reina
Torres
Gerrard
Mash
Alonso
Babel
Carra
Agger
Lucas

That is 9 players out a squad of 20-24. The rest are just not good enough to be in a squad fighting for the title.
I do not at all agree with those saying this squad is soo good.
Yes, it is so much better than when Rafa took over, but by that time Houllier had run us to the ground.
So unless Rafa got the Wenger genes and somehow manages to find good or world class players around every corner for 2p, he has done a fantastic job with the resources at his disposal. But if you got a team consisting of utter trash like he had when he arrived and little money, there is no way you can put all eggs in one basket and buy one "world class player" for 20 million and nothing else. What does that help the team? Very little overall. Not to talk about an injury to that player.

So since Rafa is a great manager, but no magician, the only way is nice and slow, as long as the funds aren't there.
To catch Manure right now and here at least 3 world class players is needed= at least £50 million. That is the truth. And no more net spend of 20 million each season. That= fight for 4th each season.

And no, I do not believe anyone would do better than rafa and few as good as him.

And no, I do not believe it is our god given right to win the title because of our great history. it's one thing to be proud of it and another thing to be blinded by it. This is now and not the 70's and 80's. The footballing landscape is totally different and until recently we have stood still basking in our past glory instead of agressivly promoting our great club around the world, getting a stadium that would compete with out rivals. Always just pushed it on the future when it will be even harder.

So what you are saying is Rafa is a great manager, but he persists in playing a cr@p striker, and most of the money he has spent he has wasted because only 7 of the players he has bought are good enough.

I think I would prefer someone else defending me in court mate

[Lando_Griffin]

can we have a new manager now and not waite till the summer!!!


yes i know i will get stick for that.

Think yourself lucky you're not within striking distance.

How the f*ck was that Rafa's fault?

1/ HE PICKED THE TEAM

2/HE'S THE ONE THATS SUPPOSED TO MOTIVATE THEM

3/HE PICKS THE TACTICS (if we had any)

4/HE BOUGHT KUYT

5/WE DIDN'T WIN SO ITS HIS FAULT   

Yep, you're absolutely right - he was on the pitch and just played W*nk, didn't he?

Rafa scored the own goal.

Rafa made the strikers play sh*t.

Rafa gave Luton the energy to give a performance above themselves.

Rafa, Rafa, Rafa.

You're beginning to sound like a broken record mate. Face facts - managers can't do a f*cking thing about players having off-days once they're on the pitch.

All eleven of them ? One or two having a bad day is one thing, all eleven having a bad day means there is a problem. Either all the newspaper reports are getting to them OR RAFA DIDNT DO HIS JOB. That doesn't mean the players are absolved of all blame, just that the buck and the responsibility rest with Rafa.

Fine - blame the boss. I'm sick and tired of defending the bloke against ingrates.

to say we are ingrates for think the team is playing bad is bang out of order i think you have delusions of grandeur lando wake up man rafa isnt doing his job well every on one can see this but you i think mabye cos you have your head so far up his bum hole , mabye this is only reason ?

Listen here, you grotty little w*nker - if you insist on jumping into a conversation that doesn't involve you, at least have the decency to get your accusations correct.

I am saying people are ungrateful for what Rafa has brought to this club.

Without him:

We would not have won number 5 in Istanbul.

We would not have kept Gerrard.

We would not have Won the FA Cup.

We would not have reached Athens last season.

We would not have signed Torres.

Or Reina.

Or Alonso.

Or Mascherano.

Or Agger.

Or Arbeloa.

Or Luis Garcia.

Or any of the other players attracted to this club purely because of Rafael Benitez.

So I say again - I am tired of defending the bloke from vermin like you.

we might have won CL with out him you cant say what would have happened unless you are god and i dont think robbie would be quite as fat as you lando. 

No, we wouldn't. We couldn't make it past the group stages.

If you really think we'd have won it without Rafa, you should be locked in a padded room, p*ssing in your own pyjamas.

And only a f*cking idiot would think I am actually a cartoon character, knobhead.

Yet you don't think Rafa had anything to do with todays performance an it was just that the players had an off day ?

good point.....explain lando...?

I already have - read back through the thread.

[Lando_Griffin]

oh i no wat it is....i just didn't find it very funny.

Well that's your loss, then.

lando i have played football on a pro level so please dont give me about talking about football please.

Fu cking clueless .

Anyone can say that on here. I'm actually Zinedine Zidane...

WHo did you play for, and why did you stop? Was it because you thought you knew best?

[LegBarnes]

lando i have played football on a pro level

Well dont spaz out cheese ball lines like '' i played professionally''

NOBODY CARES

and stop acting like a and start to support and get behind the team and manger ...

god what a fu ck wit comment i exspect better really but lately nothing surprises me.

You dont care only because you never done it .

I played under Peter Shilton when he was manager at plymouth for 2 years and i know just from that and i see that players dont wanna play for rafa its clear as day they just cant be assed.

i seen about 20 50/50s today every time liverpool pulled out of the challange only player that responded was carra and he will always give 110% because he is a local lad.

[Lando_Griffin]

Because he picked them, he bought them, he trained them, he motivated them, he told them what tactics to use. FFS Lando so Rafa Benitez had nothing to do with the performance? Does that mean that we are paying him for nothing? That when we won the CL he had nothing to do with that performance either?

On second thoughts maybe he didn't ...... MAYBE IT WAS PACO 

yes i find it very funny how since paco left we have gone tits up mabye paco was the shadow manager at club and rafa was his muppet errrr i meen puppet.

I take it we didn't go unbeaten then this season?

I take it we didn't w*nker teams all over the park?

You're a f*cking prune at times lad.

and your not?

Why are you here, c*nt?

Is it to moan and whine about things you obviously don't understand?

If you're a Liverpool fan, you stick up for your club - end of.

im not moaning...i said i was disapointed, which i was...and you came in with your sarcy comments..

Well why don't you suck your thumb and cry about it then?

[HacksawJimDuggin]

An honest oinion on this afternoon/tonight (without wanting to get involved in any scraps on here) -

We were woeful at best with Carra the only player with pass marks. The rest (apart from Babel for 10 mins) were absolutely sh*te and nothing better. We were lucky to get away with a dram IMO.

What bothered me most was that Rafa looked un-emotional, wasn't up and about shouting at players etc etc. Now that worries me and having read todays papers + his performance tonight + his tactics in the 2nd half (late subs, Kuyt at right mid) leads down the path of Rafa has lost some interest, is not happy and his time may be up.

This IS NOT what I want as I back Rafa 100% but I fear the worst!

We have 3 match winners in our squad....Stevie G, Torres and Carra. That is why we draw so many and have lost a couple of late. Our squad is not good enough at the moment!!! Simple as.

[ruskiy playmaker]

Everyone is to blame for today including Rafa.  I just can't believe his tactics sometimes.  Why does he always tell Kuyt to play so deep and why does he pick the team that has no balance whatsoever?   I just think that today is another example of how our squad is so poor.  If Rafa gets the funds that he needs and he keeps players like Kuyt at the club, then I would be very disappointed.

[europian-kings]

Because he picked them, he bought them, he trained them, he motivated them, he told them what tactics to use. FFS Lando so Rafa Benitez had nothing to do with the performance? Does that mean that we are paying him for nothing? That when we won the CL he had nothing to do with that performance either?

On second thoughts maybe he didn't ...... MAYBE IT WAS PACO 

yes i find it very funny how since paco left we have gone tits up mabye paco was the shadow manager at club and rafa was his muppet errrr i meen puppet.

I take it we didn't go unbeaten then this season?

I take it we didn't w*nker teams all over the park?

You're a f*cking prune at times lad.

and your not?

Why are you here, c*nt?

Is it to moan and whine about things you obviously don't understand?

If you're a Liverpool fan, you stick up for your club - end of.

im not moaning...i said i was disapointed, which i was...and you came in with your sarcy comments..

Well why don't you suck your thumb and cry about it then?

here we go again.....
ur comments really bore me

[Lando_Griffin]

lando you are so far up rafas its unbelievable

rafa brought these players, this is the squad he wants, they are playing his tactics and his way......hes been here 4 years and has had enough money to create his team

and today his team were awful, actually recently his team have been awful

lutons team today cost 600k

our team today cost 60 million

and they played better football than us.

And your point is?

If you had the ability to understand a post, you would realise that I am not saying Rafa was blameless - merely that he was not the main reason we were cr*p.

Ok? Wade in again and you'll be sorry.

[LegBarnes]

lando you are so far up rafas its unbelievable

rafa brought these players, this is the squad he wants, they are playing his tactics and his way......hes been here 4 years and has had enough money to create his team

and today his team were awful, actually recently his team have been awful

lutons team today cost 600k

our team today cost 60 million

and they played better football than us.

And your point is?

If you had the ability to understand a post, you would realise that I am not saying Rafa was blameless - merely that he was not the main reason we were cr*p.

Ok? Wade in again and you'll be sorry.

watch it he is gonna sit on you ! 

[lakes10]

Because he picked them, he bought them, he trained them, he motivated them, he told them what tactics to use. FFS Lando so Rafa Benitez had nothing to do with the performance? Does that mean that we are paying him for nothing? That when we won the CL he had nothing to do with that performance either?

On second thoughts maybe he didn't ...... MAYBE IT WAS PACO 

yes i find it very funny how since paco left we have gone tits up mabye paco was the shadow manager at club and rafa was his muppet errrr i meen puppet.

I take it we didn't go unbeaten then this season?

I take it we didn't w*nker teams all over the park?

You're a f*cking prune at times lad.

and your not?

Why are you here, c*nt?

Is it to moan and whine about things you obviously don't understand?

If you're a Liverpool fan, you stick up for your club - end of.

come on mate, we do have some young members on here, they dont need to read them sort of words.

[holylamb2006]

luton team cost 600k

our team cost 60 million

Lets not forget that we did play away from home and a team who are fighting to stay alive finacially ....

Our lads didnt even put 100% into the game obviously and u all know how well they can play ( remember against chelsea away )
we we're playing good football up until crouch got sent off

Rafa built a good second string team , they simply didnt shw up ...

[LittleHobo]

heres one reason why rafa is to blame

idiotic subsitutions

at 1-1 he takes off babel and brings on voronin.......

yeah well done rafa, well done mate...take off our only forward with pace and replace him with dirk kuyt mark 2