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[redbeergoggles]

If Liverpool had started the season this badly in the past I would have been climbing the walls at this stage ,and in all probability been served with my bin bags long before now ,the fact I am still calm and refusing to become embroiled in the maelstrom that is washing all common sense away ,is enough to warrant my conclusion this season is unlike any that have come before it ..

I have little business acumen but the very notion you could actually  purchase a football club , and then expect it to flourish without any monetary investment in its fundamental  stability ,is beyond belief ..

It simply beggars belief that some fans believe Rafa to be the sole reason for our current plight ,surely they can see that the only reason Benitez hasnt walked away with his bank balance significantly boosted straight into the welcoming arm of Real Madrid is us the fans ,the same fans he has grown to love ,I mean why else put up with the sh*t the Media bombard him with its too easy for him to walk away and I for one commend him for standing his ground ...

It seems the Yanks had decided that they would sit back this season and watch the money role in ,I mean was their ever a more sickening sight as Gillette rubbing his hands with glee at Tranmere after watching Aquillani making his debut with the reserves ,1.5 million for a defender was that not a severe indication of their intent, no wonder Rafa went out and bought without doubt the worst defender you could possibly purchase, even Titus Bramble is moderately more comfortable on the ball

I will conclude with the definition of luck :  luck or fortuity is a belief in good or bad fortune in life caused by accident or chance which happens beyond a person's control,Luck is significant in everyday life,...... unless that is ,you happen to be Liverpool Fc and in that particular case in question it seem your sh*t out of the above ,in point of fact if God actually exists and I don't  wish to open the proverbial can of worms with that debate ,but it wouldn't be beyond the realms of fantasy to envisage him draped in his Man U shirt  ....       

[bigmick]

It simply beggars belief that some fans believe Rafa to be the sole reason for our current plight

I'm not sure many people think Rafa is the sole reason for our plight though Red to be honest. Surely there can't be many people who would deny that injuries have had at least some impact on our season for instance, it's hardly the managers fault that people are dropping like flies. Similarly, most people would accept I should think that the situation with the owners is far from ideal.

I think most people who are criticising the manager probably think that despite admittedly testing circumstances, we still aren't playing to anywhere near the maximum of our potential. I actually don't think the maximum of our potential is winning the league this season, but I do think we ought to be making a better fist of it than we are. I also think we ought to have qualified out of the Champions League group comfortably. Is it soley the managers fault that we didn't? No it isn't, but obviously he is a major contributary factor, just as all managers have an impact on how the team performs.

[redbeergoggles]

Mick my  reasoning behind the thread was to place particular emphasis on the reason for Rafa still being at the club given the witch hunt which is currently in full swing  , its obvious a lesser man would have walked by now ,and if I may add the thread had a few points indicating the change of attitude I now have about the club since the Yanks put us into what seems like a perpetual slope into obscurity ,put simply Mick they don't deserve success ,they do not merit any association with this clubs fine lineage, and I pray they have no part to play in our future ,as for all the rest, substitutions ,tactics Aquillani ,Rafa's acumen in the transfer market quite frankly my senses have been particularly dulled ,and to join in with the rest of the ensuing mob at this time, simply to placate the ever growing need of some who would see Rafa's head on a spike outside Anfields gates (and I don't include you fella in that equation ) but the absolute imbeciles that have been posting quite repetitively (In their droves ) delighting in the the teams demise ,is and will always be a disservice to what used to  a more positive and intelligent forum         

[Dazzer]

Mick my  reasoning behind the thread was to place particular emphasis on the reason for Rafa still being at the club given the witch hunt which is currently in full swing  , its obvious a lesser man would have walked by now ,and if I may add the thread had a few points indicating the change of attitude I now have about the club since the Yanks put us into what seems like a perpetual slope into obscurity ,put simply Mick they don't deserve success ,they do not merit any association with this clubs fine lineage, and I pray they have no part to play in our future ,as for all the rest, substitutions ,tactics Aquillani ,Rafa's acumen in the transfer market quite frankly my senses have been particularly dulled ,and to join in with the rest of the ensuing mob at this time, simply to placate the ever growing need of some who would see Rafa's head on a spike outside Anfields gates (and I don't include you fella in that equation ) but the absolute imbeciles that have been posting quite repetitively (In their droves ) delighting in the the teams demise ,is and will always be a disservice to what used to  a more positive and intelligent forum         

Well red its a fair point but in the real world if he don't bag a win vs the bitters tomorrow its gonna get alot worse and he knows these sorts of pressures come with the modern game if he can't handle some pressure why the hell is he a manager of a top 4 club in england.Its not like we are the first to be upset because we feel our manager has let us down is it ?

If I wanted a stress free life I go become a bloody monk or something not a prem manager ffs. 

delighting in the the teams demise

Who the hell is happy with how we are playing atm ? Red you can say somethings but I am pretty sure any real liverpool fan isn't dancing around saying YaY we so cr@p and I am loving it.If any one is doing that then they are not a real liverpool fan and you shouldn't even care about those little people.

Also I get the impression you are trying to play the lets feel sorry for Rafa card but I don't buy it.The guy gets paid millions to do a job to win us something and so far he won us 2 cups in 6 years and looking like he won't this year.I don't feel sorry for the man if he loses his job tomorrow not like he gonna be living on the streets is it ? There is us the fans some of us might only earn 14-15k a year and still pay for a season ticket or buy club shirts or what ever and they put thier trust in this manager that is the pressure he has to deal with.Like it or not that is real world.

[kazza]

Had we bought Turner and Barry (not necessarily world class players) we would be in much better shape than we are. Then all will be happy because we have the squad to compete. By the owners not spending the Alonso money (and Keane money for that matter) they risk losing out on a lot more than Turner and Barry would have cost. People complain about Rafa but any team would love him as their manager, that must mean something. When times are tough we should get behind the manager, rather than find fault with everything he does.

[Rockthekop]

It doesn't explain why the team is playing so poorly this season though.  We have had injuries which has had an impact but too much weight is being placed on this fact as an excuse for a dire start. 

Forget about the players or money Rafa could have got, the team we have now is not performing anywhere near it's potential and that is down to the manager.

[redbeergoggles]

Also I get the impression you are trying to play the lets feel sorry for Rafa card but I don't buy it.The guy gets paid millions to do a job to win us something and so far he won us 2 cups in 6 years and looking like he won't this year.I don't feel sorry for the man if he loses his job tomorrow not like he gonna be living on the streets is it ? There is us the fans some of us might only earn 14-15k a year and still pay for a season ticket or buy club shirts or what ever and they put thier trust in this manager that is the pressure he has to deal with.Like it or not that is real world.

Firstly Daz I dont as a rule play cards ,Secondly read my thread again, Thirdly I now have a sympathy for B,Mick and can see where his frustration lies, although our views are on different sides of the coin, our bemusement at some of the posters on this forum, and the habitual tunnel vision they suffer from  remains a constant 

[Emerald Red]

It doesn't explain why the team is playing so poorly this season though.  We have had injuries which has had an impact but too much weight is being placed on this fact as an excuse for a dire start. 

Forget about the players or money Rafa could have got, the team we have now is not performing anywhere near it's potential and that is down to the manager.

Aye, but you forget one thing, and a contradiction in your post: the potential of the team has to be fit for it to even start to play well. Where's the potential? Ask the physio. He's been earning his wage alright lately.

[LFC2007]

It doesn't explain why the team is playing so poorly this season though.  We have had injuries which has had an impact but too much weight is being placed on this fact as an excuse for a dire start. 

Forget about the players or money Rafa could have got, the team we have now is not performing anywhere near it's potential and that is down to the manager.

Aye, but you forget one thing, and a contradiction in your post: the potential of the team has to be fit for it to even start to play well. Where's the potential? Ask the physio. He's been earning his wage alright lately.

In fairness mate I think the guy is arguing that we haven't played close to our 'handicapped' potential, i.e. that in spite of the injury problems, the manager and coaching staff still haven't managed to maximise our output. With the position we're in, I'd say that's probably a fair comment, or that if they have made the of most of things then at least some of the players can't be good enough (how you then account for that  between Rafa and the owners is a different point).

[redbeergoggles]

Well it seems we have finally had an upturn in fortune ,and it couldnt have come sooner in my book ,just got back from the game and Im itching to get out on the lash ,but I have work tomorrow ()      thought Agger was class at the back and Mascherano back to his snapping best ,My bitter mates were devastated especially with the amount of actual possession they had, the silence in the car driving back home was worth the price of my match ticket alone 

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I agree with your verdict on Masch , and I thought Agger was exceptional coming out with the ball. One of the few players today that always looked to have time.  I thought he looked frail though ? I was speculating in the match thread earlier that perhaps because of his back problem he hasn't been able to do the weights much.

[redhayesy]

Well it seems we have finally had an upturn in fortune ,and it couldnt have come sooner in my book ,just got back from the game and Im itching to get out on the lash ,but I have work tomorrow ()      thought Agger was class at the back and Mascherano back to his snapping best ,My bitter mates were devastated especially with the amount of actual possession they had, the silence in the car driving back home was worth the price of my match ticket alone 

mate, i love your post- iv'e got work also early in the morning, but so what! we beat the bitters! i'm fecking made up, i will drink tonight cause that result deserves a few scoops an more beside!

mate,that result was so important for more reasons than one! have a beer to celebrate,we were boss today, like we know we are- the toffee's will always be second best to LFC. so drink,enjoy an worry about work tomorrow when it happens!

what a great result! one things for sure- i will be drinking to celebrate the win, the beer is tasting sweet already!

[redbeergoggles]

Enjoy a few Lagers Red ,and steer clear of the Bitters  .....

[redhayesy]

Enjoy a few Lagers Red ,and steer clear of the Bitters  .....

nice one mate! 

[NANNY RED]

About fecking time it went our way. thats all.

  were all laughin at the bitter mongerls an my sons not talking to me , do i care do i feck,