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[Stu the Red]

Called up to the Brazil squad.

Scolari is obviously clueless. What has he ever won apart from the World Cup?

He obviously sees the sideways pass as an essential part of the make up of a player utilised solely as a defensive midfielder.
Either that or he can actually ascertain when a player is currently showing good form for his club. .......Shudder the thought
that there are people out there who can actually do that. 

As I've said a million times, form is nothing.

I remember when Kevin Campbell first signed for Everton, nine goals in eight games, scored in seven of them I believe? On "FORM" he was then the best striker in the country... would anyone have took him ahead of Fowler at that point?

The problem these days is people are obsessed with form. Pick the best players and form will take care of itself.

[Benny The Noon]

In the current partnership it's certainly not just Lucas at fault.

Lucas isn't the greatest centre mid in the world but has done well for us. We do need more options in the middle and possibly some cover.

When Lucas doesn't play for us we certainly miss him - when he does play for us we appear these days to get favourable results.

[Benny The Noon]

So what happens when a "better" player is playing poorly ? Continue to play him ? .

Form should and does IMO figure quite heavily in managers eyes when picking teams.

[RedAnt]

How can people blame Gerrard for Lucas' failings? Gerrard is tired, but even now, at 33, he's twice the player Lucas will ever be. The very fact that people are favouring Lucas over the living legend that is Gerrard proves how poor Lucas has been.

It's all well and good pointing at the things Lucas does on the pitch, but take a step back and look at the things he dosen't do. He has ability, and should certainly be held on to. But he lacks in crucial elements for his position. The worst part of his game is the pressure he puts us under when, if he had the ability, he would be intercepting, getting a foot on the ball, cooling things down and setting us away on our own possession. How many times does he clear a ball to no one, or foul on the edge of the box? How many times does he get a yellow, meaning he can no longer give 100% in the physical side for danger of leaving us with 10 men? Sorry, but when your ball winner spends 45 minutes of a match on a yellow, you're at a disadvantage.

When was the lads last goal, or assist? When did he last lift the crowd with a great run, or a thundering tackle? He's a hard worker, but so are many players.

I find it hard to believe that some of us don't believe we can have someone challenging for his position. He looks complacent at the moment. As someone said earlier, he needs a boot up the bum.

[only me]

In the current partnership it's certainly not just Lucas at fault.

Lucas isn't the greatest centre mid in the world but has done well for us. We do need more options in the middle and possibly some cover.

When Lucas doesn't play for us we certainly miss him - when he does play for us we appear these days to get favourable results.

Aren't you one "preaching" on the lack of quality in our squad and now you have become Lucas defender of all players? Lucas symbolizes the decent of our club  ,not the reason of course ,from Players as Alonso to Mash and now Lucas. Had one good year and terrible others in a Red shirt ,capable of doing a fair job but that's it.

In most of the games we are unable to hold the midfield and the talk of our shaky defense has been established and agreed long ago. Lucas is a major part of this plot. The Fact we had Spearing as backup doesn't mean we should settle for Lucas as our future Midfielder.

Lucas would make a decent backup for a more deserving DM.

[Benny The Noon]

How can people blame Gerrard for Lucas' failings? Gerrard is tired, but even now, at 33, he's twice the player Lucas will ever be. The very fact that people are favouring Lucas over the living legend that is Gerrard proves how poor Lucas has been.

It's all well and good pointing at the things Lucas does on the pitch, but take a step back and look at the things he dosen't do. He has ability, and should certainly be held on to. But he lacks in crucial elements for his position. The worst part of his game is the pressure he puts us under when, if he had the ability, he would be intercepting, getting a foot on the ball, cooling things down and setting us away on our own possession. How many times does he clear a ball to no one, or foul on the edge of the box? How many times does he get a yellow, meaning he can no longer give 100% in the physical side for danger of leaving us with 10 men? Sorry, but when your ball winner spends 45 minutes of a match on a yellow, you're at a disadvantage.

When was the lads last goal, or assist? When did he last lift the crowd with a great run, or a thundering tackle? He's a hard worker, but so are many players.

I find it hard to believe that some of us don't believe we can have someone challenging for his position. He looks complacent at the moment. As someone said earlier, he needs a boot up the bum.

We haven't exactly seen much of that from Gerrard this season also

I'm not blaming Gerrard for anyone's poor form but his own

I don't think Lucas is actually playing that badly but does seem to tire after 65-70 mins which effects his game.

Lucas is playing brilliantly - no one is , but he certainly isn't our worst performer currently - not by a stretch.

Gerrards form IMO currently is worse.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

How can people blame Gerrard for Lucas' failings? Gerrard is tired, but even now, at 33, he's twice the player Lucas will ever be. The very fact that people are favouring Lucas over the living legend that is Gerrard proves how poor Lucas has been.

It's all well and good pointing at the things Lucas does on the pitch, but take a step back and look at the things he dosen't do. He has ability, and should certainly be held on to. But he lacks in crucial elements for his position. The worst part of his game is the pressure he puts us under when, if he had the ability, he would be intercepting, getting a foot on the ball, cooling things down and setting us away on our own possession. How many times does he clear a ball to no one, or foul on the edge of the box? How many times does he get a yellow, meaning he can no longer give 100% in the physical side for danger of leaving us with 10 men? Sorry, but when your ball winner spends 45 minutes of a match on a yellow, you're at a disadvantage.

When was the lads last goal, or assist? When did he last lift the crowd with a great run, or a thundering tackle? He's a hard worker, but so are many players.

I find it hard to believe that some of us don't believe we can have someone challenging for his position. He looks complacent at the moment. As someone said earlier, he needs a boot up the bum.

Is there something I'm missing here ? Gerrard does absolutely f*ck all in the second half of games ,Lucas spends the next 45 trying to plug the gaping hole
Gerrard has left in th middle and poster's have got the audacity to challenge fans who appreciate Lucas for the job he does .I personally would prefer to remember Gerrard as the awe inspiring legend he was ,but to watch his steady decline week in and week out ,frankly its becoming painful to watch.

[Benny The Noon]

In the current partnership it's certainly not just Lucas at fault.

Lucas isn't the greatest centre mid in the world but has done well for us. We do need more options in the middle and possibly some cover.

When Lucas doesn't play for us we certainly miss him - when he does play for us we appear these days to get favourable results.

Aren't you one "preaching" on the lack of quality in our squad and now you have become Lucas defender of all players? Lucas symbolizes the decent of our club  ,not the reason of course ,from Players as Alonso to Mash and now Lucas. Had one good year and terrible others in a Red shirt ,capable of doing a fair job but that's it.

In most of the games we are unable to hold the midfield and the talk of our shaky defense has been established and agreed long ago. Lucas is a major part of this plot. The Fact we had Spearing as backup doesn't mean we should settle for Lucas as our future Midfielder.

Lucas would make a decent backup for a more deserving DM.

People will judge players differently depending on their own opinion.

I think Lucas is a good player who most certainly isn't a major reason for our current poor form nor a major reason for our "downfall"
Dalglish and Rodgers Total with Lucas: P59 Pts 110 PPG 1.86.

Dalglish & Rodgers Total without Lucas: P38 Pts 45 PPG 1.18

[RedAnt]

The Gerrard thing is another matter. Again I'm unsure about BR. I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but in my knowledge, he's the one that should be resting Gerrard, but the medical staff aren't amateurs. Surely someone would notice he's not influencing things as he does. I'd say though that if you plucked Lucas out and put Alonso in beside Gerrard, Stevie would soon be dominating games again. Lucas isn't in Gerrards class, and I believe Gerrard suffers for it. Not vice-versa.

[only me]

How can people blame Gerrard for Lucas' failings? Gerrard is tired, but even now, at 33, he's twice the player Lucas will ever be. The very fact that people are favouring Lucas over the living legend that is Gerrard proves how poor Lucas has been.

It's all well and good pointing at the things Lucas does on the pitch, but take a step back and look at the things he dosen't do. He has ability, and should certainly be held on to. But he lacks in crucial elements for his position. The worst part of his game is the pressure he puts us under when, if he had the ability, he would be intercepting, getting a foot on the ball, cooling things down and setting us away on our own possession. How many times does he clear a ball to no one, or foul on the edge of the box? How many times does he get a yellow, meaning he can no longer give 100% in the physical side for danger of leaving us with 10 men? Sorry, but when your ball winner spends 45 minutes of a match on a yellow, you're at a disadvantage.

When was the lads last goal, or assist? When did he last lift the crowd with a great run, or a thundering tackle? He's a hard worker, but so are many players.

I find it hard to believe that some of us don't believe we can have someone challenging for his position. He looks complacent at the moment. As someone said earlier, he needs a boot up the bum.

We haven't exactly seen much of that from Gerrard this season also

I'm not blaming Gerrard for anyone's poor form but his own

I don't think Lucas is actually playing that badly but does seem to tire after 65-70 mins which effects his game.

Lucas is playing brilliantly - no one is , but he certainly isn't our worst performer currently - not by a stretch.

Gerrards form IMO currently is worse.

Hmm...Gerrard isn't the topic here. They aren't playing the same position so the argument is redundant.

[Benny The Noon]

The Gerrard thing is another matter. Again I'm unsure about BR. I don't know what goes on behind the scenes, but in my knowledge, he's the one that should be resting Gerrard, but the medical staff aren't amateurs. Surely someone would notice he's not influencing things as he does. I'd say though that if you plucked Lucas out and put Alonso in beside Gerrard, Stevie would soon be dominating games again. Lucas isn't in Gerrards class, and I believe Gerrard suffers for it. Not vice-versa.

That's excusing Gerrards poor form because of his partner ?

Why didn't Gerrard play poorly from last Jan then when he was alongside Lucas ?

I'm guessing people didn't complain about Lucas then when he was quietly going about his job.

Gerrard is playing poorly because he is suffering a drop in form - not because he is playing next to Lucas.

[RedAnt]

How can people blame Gerrard for Lucas' failings? Gerrard is tired, but even now, at 33, he's twice the player Lucas will ever be. The very fact that people are favouring Lucas over the living legend that is Gerrard proves how poor Lucas has been.

It's all well and good pointing at the things Lucas does on the pitch, but take a step back and look at the things he dosen't do. He has ability, and should certainly be held on to. But he lacks in crucial elements for his position. The worst part of his game is the pressure he puts us under when, if he had the ability, he would be intercepting, getting a foot on the ball, cooling things down and setting us away on our own possession. How many times does he clear a ball to no one, or foul on the edge of the box? How many times does he get a yellow, meaning he can no longer give 100% in the physical side for danger of leaving us with 10 men? Sorry, but when your ball winner spends 45 minutes of a match on a yellow, you're at a disadvantage.

When was the lads last goal, or assist? When did he last lift the crowd with a great run, or a thundering tackle? He's a hard worker, but so are many players.

I find it hard to believe that some of us don't believe we can have someone challenging for his position. He looks complacent at the moment. As someone said earlier, he needs a boot up the bum.

Is there something I'm missing here ? Gerrard does absolutely f*ck all in the second half of games ,Lucas spends the next 45 trying to plug the gaping hole
Gerrard has left in th middle and poster's have got the audacity to challenge fans who appreciate Lucas for the job he does .I personally would prefer to remember Gerrard as the awe inspiring legend he was ,but to watch his steady decline week in and week out ,frankly its becoming painful to watch.

Have you never seen a midfielder dominate a game even when his partner dosent play well? Or when the team dosent? Of course you have. Gerrard. So if Lucas is so good, why can't he dominate instead? Why does he struggle if Gerrard dosen't play well?

The Gerrard "of old" wouldn't care if Lucas played bad. He'd do the work for both, and more! The tactics are all wrong. It's not because Gerrard, captain of Liverpool and England has suddenly gotten over some hill.

[Benny The Noon]

http://eplindex.com/34672/lucas-lynchpi ... lders.html

[only me]

In the current partnership it's certainly not just Lucas at fault.

Lucas isn't the greatest centre mid in the world but has done well for us. We do need more options in the middle and possibly some cover.

When Lucas doesn't play for us we certainly miss him - when he does play for us we appear these days to get favourable results.

Aren't you one "preaching" on the lack of quality in our squad and now you have become Lucas defender of all players? Lucas symbolizes the decent of our club  ,not the reason of course ,from Players as Alonso to Mash and now Lucas. Had one good year and terrible others in a Red shirt ,capable of doing a fair job but that's it.

In most of the games we are unable to hold the midfield and the talk of our shaky defense has been established and agreed long ago. Lucas is a major part of this plot. The Fact we had Spearing as backup doesn't mean we should settle for Lucas as our future Midfielder.

Lucas would make a decent backup for a more deserving DM.

People will judge players differently depending on their own opinion.

I think Lucas is a good player who most certainly isn't a major reason for our current poor form nor a major reason for our "downfall"
Dalglish and Rodgers Total with Lucas: P59 Pts 110 PPG 1.86.

Dalglish & Rodgers Total without Lucas: P38 Pts 45 PPG 1.18

READ again ,don't think he is the reason ,but he surely symbolizes IMO the decline in our form this past years.

As to your stats ,if accurate ,not sure what do they prove? That his backup is even worse? Ok i'll give you that ,but i'm looking for a new player in his Position which will contribute much more to the defensive game and will allow the develop of an attacking play.

[Benny The Noon]

Which player is that ?