Absolute disaster if indeed there is any truth to this. Lets wait for the scan before we panic though.
Kenny was right to play him though.
LUCAS LEIVA - OFFICIAL THREAD
by Igor Zidane » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:43 pm
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Posted: April 27 2008,20:17 EDIT QUOTE
I've liked lucas since i first seen him play pre-season . Granted he hasn't played well 100% of the time in all the games he's played. There's just something about the lad that i like . It's his confidence i think , he likes to get forward , he can spot a pass although he does need to concentrate more and he's not averse to getting into the box for headers and wotnot. He does need to stregnthen up abit as he gets knocked off the ball a fair bit . It's silly to over hype the lad because it's still early doors for him ,all i'll say is that he's looked promising imo.
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Lucas is neat , he's tidy , erm ....... I'm hard pressed to say anything else apart from he's also very lightweight , gets brushed off the ball and decked by any opposing player that puts in a serious challenge and the majority of his own tackles seem to result in a free kick for the opposition. Offers little in terms of goal threat or creativity.
Well, five months on from starting this thread I've just watched a replay of the Marseille game and I have to say my opinion of Lucas has changed.
I was far too easy on the guy, as an LFC player he's f'ucking useless !
Completely out of his depth in a LFC shirt, he does and adds f'uck all to our midfield.
And we spent weeks moaning about Alonso ! do me a favour.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
soz woof , just a laugh mate .
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I've liked lucas since i first seen him play pre-season . Granted he hasn't played well 100% of the time in all the games he's played. There's just something about the lad that i like . It's his confidence i think , he likes to get forward , he can spot a pass although he does need to concentrate more and he's not averse to getting into the box for headers and wotnot. He does need to stregnthen up abit as he gets knocked off the ball a fair bit . It's silly to over hype the lad because it's still early doors for him ,all i'll say is that he's looked promising imo.
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Lucas is neat , he's tidy , erm ....... I'm hard pressed to say anything else apart from he's also very lightweight , gets brushed off the ball and decked by any opposing player that puts in a serious challenge and the majority of his own tackles seem to result in a free kick for the opposition. Offers little in terms of goal threat or creativity.
Well, five months on from starting this thread I've just watched a replay of the Marseille game and I have to say my opinion of Lucas has changed.
I was far too easy on the guy, as an LFC player he's f'ucking useless !
Completely out of his depth in a LFC shirt, he does and adds f'uck all to our midfield.
And we spent weeks moaning about Alonso ! do me a favour.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
soz woof , just a laugh mate .UP THE PURPS !!!
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by only me » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:47 pm
jacdaniel wrote:Absolute disaster if indeed there is any truth to this. Lets wait for the scan before we panic though.
Kenny was right to play him though.
I thought the decision to let him continue playing was a bit stupid after the initial knock. Gotta say i completly don't trust the Medic Staff in Liverpool.
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by jacdaniel » Wed Nov 30, 2011 4:47 pm
Assuming that Lucas is injured for X amount of time... its just dawned on me that we'd only have 3 CM's available for selection.
Crazy considering we had about 10 in July
Crazy considering we had about 10 in July
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by Igor Zidane » Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:23 pm
Boss little artical this , sorry but it has no name to it . Deffo not mine though .
Three years ago, Liverpool had the best midfield in the world. The Kop even sang a song about it. ‘We’ve got Xabi Alonso… Momo Sissoko… Gerrard and Mas-cher-aaaaa-noooooo!”
Meanwhile on Merseyside, quietly trying to make his way in a new country with a starkly alien culture and very little initial grasp of the English language, was a young reserve player with flowing blond locks and a vivacious enthusiasm for the game.
He’d arrived for big money, billed as a prodigious creative midfielder from football’s exotic homeland of flair and fancy. Still a teenager, he had just one senior season under his belt, but in that one campaign he’d led Gremio to the Copa Libertadores final while still a teenager, and in the process became the youngest ever recipient of the Brazilian league’s award for player of the year. Younger than Tevez had been. Younger than Kaka, than Ronaldo, than Zico even.
Goldielocks had undeniable pedigree. But reputation counts for nothing when you’re trying to break into Rafa Benitez’s glittering, Champions League-winning engine room.
He’d wait for an injury or a suspension, and then stumble into a cauldron of pressure and impatience. In replacing Xabi Alonso, the world’s foremost holding midfielder, or Steven Gerrard, the league’s ultimate deep-lying attacking force, this timid novice was expected to swim a medley in the deep end against the currant of football’s most ferocious and unforgiving tide. Nobody ever said it was going to be easy. And so it proved.
Many Liverpool fans detested Lucas with an unhealthy passion.
Lucas Pezzini Leiva is an educated middle class lad from the small city of Dourados, close to the border of Paraguay in Brazil’s south west. He was prepped for a career in business or economics before his outstanding ability on the football pitch took over. But during his first couple of years in England, he might’ve considered falling back on his academic qualities.
As far as they were concerned, he was overhyped, overpaid and lacking the cajones to make an impact in the big league. His fleeting appearances offered little evidence of the sparkling report Benitez had attributed to him. He was both sloppy and inhibited. And what’s more, he wasn’t in any way creative. He didn’t even approach doors, let alone prise them open. Liverpool fans were expecting the new Kaka. But at his best, Lucas was a mild improvement on Igor Biscan. At his worst, he was a Sunday league chaser with the composure of a schizophrenic chicken.
It all came to a head during the 2008/09 season. Leiva had been struggling to find his feet in the big league, and giving away a last minute penalty at Wigan, and then getting sent off in the derby against Everton – all in the space of seven days – only compounded his misery. Being booed by the Anfield faithful during a disappointing draw with Fulham could’ve been the last straw, but his manager protected his fledgling. “Some day, people will realise how good Lucas is,” forecasted Rafa Benitez.
His reluctance to put a foot wrong was superseded by his drive to make a difference, to meet the ball, to commit defenders
Fast forward three years and that day Benitez predicted has now been and gone…
While Liverpool stuttered – initially in the latter days of Benitez’s reign, and then so markedly under Roy Hodgson – Lucas quietly, rapidly grew. His shyness evaporated as his shoulders became broader. His reluctance to put a foot wrong was superseded by his drive to make a difference, to meet the ball, to commit defenders, to probe with his passes, to rally the troops around him. That Lucas has become one of the pearls in Benitez’s Anfield legacy is testament to the Spaniard’s foresight and perseverance.
Not only are Liverpool fans now in full agreement as to the multifacted qualities Lucas provides, the 24-year-old’s stock has risen dramatically in wider circles, too. He is a regular in the full Brazil national team and could well captain the Selecao on home soil at the next World Cup. Elsewhere, Kenny Dalglish has fended off approaches for Lucas from powerhouses in Spain and Italy in recent months.
It’s little wonder there’s been interest. This season, the rebranded Lucas has been Liverpool’s best player. In the absence of Gerrard, and latterly of Carragher too, the dynamic Brazilian has developed into a focal point, and something of a natural leader. His fine example – superhuman work rate, cutting edge decision making, strength and desire in combat – has been an infectious influence among the newer signings beside him, and will only benefit his absent captain upon his 2012 return.
He’s leading a synchronised visual masterpiece in the middle of the Premier League’s choppy waters.
Leiva made more tackles and interceptions than anyone across Europe’s biggest four leagues last term. He’s already top of such stats this season. At Chelsea two weeks ago, he bossed from start to finish, gliding effortlessly around the Stamford Bridge turf, picking off Blues attacks and instinctively starting his own team’s counters in an instant. Last week at home to table-topping Man City, he played better still, stifling David Silva’s artistry and Yaya Toure’s power with his own single-handed combination of energy, craft and cunning. And last night, until his injury, he not only smashed Torres twice, he provided the rock-solid platform for Bellamy to wreak havoc.
Meanwhile, he’s also punching well above his weight in pass completion stats, and the method and destination of his staple use of the ball has improved immeasurably. No longer does he take the easy option by popping the ball off sideways or backwards for the sake of it. No longer does he pass the buck. In a round about way, he is evolving into the creator he was originally billed to be. But in addition, he’s an enforcer and a water-carrier all rolled into one.
Lucas Leiva not only looks at home swimming in football’s deep end these days, he’s leading a synchronised visual masterpiece in the middle of the Premier League’s choppy waters.
And while Liverpool may no longer possess the greatest midfield in the world, they might just have one of the planet’s great midfielders of the next decade.
Three years ago, Liverpool had the best midfield in the world. The Kop even sang a song about it. ‘We’ve got Xabi Alonso… Momo Sissoko… Gerrard and Mas-cher-aaaaa-noooooo!”
Meanwhile on Merseyside, quietly trying to make his way in a new country with a starkly alien culture and very little initial grasp of the English language, was a young reserve player with flowing blond locks and a vivacious enthusiasm for the game.
He’d arrived for big money, billed as a prodigious creative midfielder from football’s exotic homeland of flair and fancy. Still a teenager, he had just one senior season under his belt, but in that one campaign he’d led Gremio to the Copa Libertadores final while still a teenager, and in the process became the youngest ever recipient of the Brazilian league’s award for player of the year. Younger than Tevez had been. Younger than Kaka, than Ronaldo, than Zico even.
Goldielocks had undeniable pedigree. But reputation counts for nothing when you’re trying to break into Rafa Benitez’s glittering, Champions League-winning engine room.
He’d wait for an injury or a suspension, and then stumble into a cauldron of pressure and impatience. In replacing Xabi Alonso, the world’s foremost holding midfielder, or Steven Gerrard, the league’s ultimate deep-lying attacking force, this timid novice was expected to swim a medley in the deep end against the currant of football’s most ferocious and unforgiving tide. Nobody ever said it was going to be easy. And so it proved.
Many Liverpool fans detested Lucas with an unhealthy passion.
Lucas Pezzini Leiva is an educated middle class lad from the small city of Dourados, close to the border of Paraguay in Brazil’s south west. He was prepped for a career in business or economics before his outstanding ability on the football pitch took over. But during his first couple of years in England, he might’ve considered falling back on his academic qualities.
As far as they were concerned, he was overhyped, overpaid and lacking the cajones to make an impact in the big league. His fleeting appearances offered little evidence of the sparkling report Benitez had attributed to him. He was both sloppy and inhibited. And what’s more, he wasn’t in any way creative. He didn’t even approach doors, let alone prise them open. Liverpool fans were expecting the new Kaka. But at his best, Lucas was a mild improvement on Igor Biscan. At his worst, he was a Sunday league chaser with the composure of a schizophrenic chicken.
It all came to a head during the 2008/09 season. Leiva had been struggling to find his feet in the big league, and giving away a last minute penalty at Wigan, and then getting sent off in the derby against Everton – all in the space of seven days – only compounded his misery. Being booed by the Anfield faithful during a disappointing draw with Fulham could’ve been the last straw, but his manager protected his fledgling. “Some day, people will realise how good Lucas is,” forecasted Rafa Benitez.
His reluctance to put a foot wrong was superseded by his drive to make a difference, to meet the ball, to commit defenders
Fast forward three years and that day Benitez predicted has now been and gone…
While Liverpool stuttered – initially in the latter days of Benitez’s reign, and then so markedly under Roy Hodgson – Lucas quietly, rapidly grew. His shyness evaporated as his shoulders became broader. His reluctance to put a foot wrong was superseded by his drive to make a difference, to meet the ball, to commit defenders, to probe with his passes, to rally the troops around him. That Lucas has become one of the pearls in Benitez’s Anfield legacy is testament to the Spaniard’s foresight and perseverance.
Not only are Liverpool fans now in full agreement as to the multifacted qualities Lucas provides, the 24-year-old’s stock has risen dramatically in wider circles, too. He is a regular in the full Brazil national team and could well captain the Selecao on home soil at the next World Cup. Elsewhere, Kenny Dalglish has fended off approaches for Lucas from powerhouses in Spain and Italy in recent months.
It’s little wonder there’s been interest. This season, the rebranded Lucas has been Liverpool’s best player. In the absence of Gerrard, and latterly of Carragher too, the dynamic Brazilian has developed into a focal point, and something of a natural leader. His fine example – superhuman work rate, cutting edge decision making, strength and desire in combat – has been an infectious influence among the newer signings beside him, and will only benefit his absent captain upon his 2012 return.
He’s leading a synchronised visual masterpiece in the middle of the Premier League’s choppy waters.
Leiva made more tackles and interceptions than anyone across Europe’s biggest four leagues last term. He’s already top of such stats this season. At Chelsea two weeks ago, he bossed from start to finish, gliding effortlessly around the Stamford Bridge turf, picking off Blues attacks and instinctively starting his own team’s counters in an instant. Last week at home to table-topping Man City, he played better still, stifling David Silva’s artistry and Yaya Toure’s power with his own single-handed combination of energy, craft and cunning. And last night, until his injury, he not only smashed Torres twice, he provided the rock-solid platform for Bellamy to wreak havoc.
Meanwhile, he’s also punching well above his weight in pass completion stats, and the method and destination of his staple use of the ball has improved immeasurably. No longer does he take the easy option by popping the ball off sideways or backwards for the sake of it. No longer does he pass the buck. In a round about way, he is evolving into the creator he was originally billed to be. But in addition, he’s an enforcer and a water-carrier all rolled into one.
Lucas Leiva not only looks at home swimming in football’s deep end these days, he’s leading a synchronised visual masterpiece in the middle of the Premier League’s choppy waters.
And while Liverpool may no longer possess the greatest midfield in the world, they might just have one of the planet’s great midfielders of the next decade.
UP THE PURPS !!!
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by Benny The Noon » Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:08 pm
I remember the days when some were silently wishing he was injured so he couldn't get picked .
Gutted for the lad if he is injured as he was turning into the best DM in the prem .
Gutted for the lad if he is injured as he was turning into the best DM in the prem .
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by woof woof ! » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:37 pm
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I've liked lucas since i first seen him play pre-season . Granted he hasn't played well 100% of the time in all the games he's played. There's just something about the lad that i like . It's his confidence i think , he likes to get forward , he can spot a pass although he does need to concentrate more and he's not averse to getting into the box for headers and wotnot. He does need to stregnthen up abit as he gets knocked off the ball a fair bit . It's silly to over hype the lad because it's still early doors for him ,all i'll say is that he's looked promising imo.
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Quote (woof woof ! @ April 13 2008,16:22)
Lucas is neat , he's tidy , erm ....... I'm hard pressed to say anything else apart from he's also very lightweight , gets brushed off the ball and decked by any opposing player that puts in a serious challenge and the majority of his own tackles seem to result in a free kick for the opposition. Offers little in terms of goal threat or creativity.
Well, five months on from starting this thread I've just watched a replay of the Marseille game and I have to say my opinion of Lucas has changed.
I was far too easy on the guy, as an LFC player he's f'ucking useless !
Completely out of his depth in a LFC shirt, he does and adds f'uck all to our midfield.
And we spent weeks moaning about Alonso ! do me a favour.
NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
Yeah mate, isn't hindsight a bitch, maybe we should all wait THREE SEASONS before we pass an opinion on a player ?
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by Benny The Noon » Wed Nov 30, 2011 8:54 pm
It would of been great I some gave had given the lad 3 months let alone 3 years !!
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