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[Emerald Red]

As much as I admire Rafa. I think its time for him to "rotate" himself out of the club & find someone like Klinsmann or Mourhino who can break it at this high level.

Question 1: What drugs are you on?

Question 2: Where can I get them?

Klinsmann? LOL

Christ almighty, the spanners do come out of the woodwork on bad days, don't they!

No offense, like, but stop talking cack.

1. Im on anti-rotation drugs
2. What makes you think youre worthy?

And finally, youre not the only one to have an opinion on here that we all have to agree to - no offence but 'Emerald' only comes in one visible colour, and definately not Red.

I agree totally.

1.He's on no drugs

2. You can go and get them drugs from somwhere else, and not anything to do with LFC.

3. Klinsmann has the sort of attitidue (Give players a chance, play well, keep them playing) that we need.

4. Your the only spanner coming out of the woodwork!

The group of players we have need to be playing week in week out. This nonsence about tiredness means they're unfit. Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea have the same players playing if they're fit in every league game.

mramo

Honestly, we get a draw which defeat of some sort or a draw which turns out to be a bad result and it attracts people like this!

OK, so I'm a spanner for pushing aside the notion of Klinsmann running this club, am I? Give me a f*cking break, you WUM! Clueless!

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We heard you the first time Bamaga

[66-1112520797]

Sorry S@int I couldnt see my posts, or the last few posts.

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Like our title chances this thread is fkd up

[Emerald Red]

I swear, the way some of you are banging on on this thread, you'd think the world f*cking stopped or something. It's so easy to criticize when things don't go your way, and many of the faults some are finding just didn't exist on the pitch last night. Some are being hyper-analytical, and as a result, hyper-negative. Like I said: had the score ended 1-0 to us, most would all be talking about how promising such and such would be, and how awesome that player was on the night. Instead, all their slight shortcomings are being exploded into critically negative debating points.

[Emerald Red]

Like our title chances this thread is fkd up

In more ways than one. Some of the posts I've read on here since last night are a disgrace.

[66-1112520797]

I swear, the way some of you are banging on on this thread, you'd think the world f*cking stopped or something

After that result, which has more or less ended our title hopes, it does feel like the world has ended in some way.

[puroresu]

he fukked it with the ryan babel and lucas signings

i like babel and lucas but are we really in a position to spend 17 odd million on youngsters for the future when we have massive problems out wide

we really needed one world class winger instead of 2 promising kids for the future....both i rate but we are still crying out for the winger

Agreed about babel.......IMO he is not even potential...just a massively over-rated player (similar to cisse)...

Well every manager is allowed 1 or 2 costly mistakes..

Well, that's very harsh, and IMO very, very wrong. Way off the mark there.

There's nothing i like more than to be proved wrong in the case of babel..... I would love it if he was the next henry...but from what i have seen him here and in his ajax days (yes....i have seen him play for ajax...on TV of course),  he is just a forward version of sissoko. His short passing is "sissoko" bad...and he can't dribble past people but he keeps doing that.

Like i said i hope i am wrong...but rafa got it massively wrong with babel if he thought he is gonna solve our wing problem.

The fee for Babel was way to high.  I like the kid and want to see him get more games but we shouldnt of paid £12 mil.  Ajax only sold him cos we offered them a price they could refuse.  Wenger wanted him but no way would of paid £12 mil.

[Emerald Red]

I swear, the way some of you are banging on on this thread, you'd think the world f*cking stopped or something

After that result, which has more or less ended our title hopes, it does feel like the world has ended in some way.

I'm gutted myself, but the season isn't over yet. What a lot of people forget is that we still have a relatively new and inexperienced team. Not all of them, of course, but the new signings for this season and even the one before it. I think more time is needed for these players to gel. You simply can't expect players to walk into a squad and play as if they've been playing for us for years. Even Torres, who's doing amazingly well, is still to adjust to the league. He's still got a way to improve.

We've also been blighted by injuries. As I recall a few months ago, our list was massive regarding those, and with key players too. I'm not trying to make excuses or anything, but sometimes a little clarity at times like these is called for.

[burjennio]

Emerald Red Posted on Jan. 03 2008,12:19
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Quote (s@int @ Jan. 03 2008,12:15)
Like our title chances this thread is fkd up

In more ways than one. Some of the posts I've read on here since last night are a disgrace.

Emerald there is always an influx of doombringers after a poor result but by now you should realize that these are mostly fans like you and I who are so frustrated by the cack like they got treated to last night they have to let of some steam and talk out out with fellow supporters, and the easiest place to do that is on a forum like this one. Up until the last few matches I tended to agree with you that there was too much over-reaction to performances and results especially with the injuries to key players. However, last nights game really spelt out to me all the things that I have come to believe are wrong with Rafa's approach to the game, these arn't things he should be sacked for, but things he should be looking to inprove on I dont want to repeat myself from my earlier post but to summarise

a. Unnecessary tactical ploys eg 451 at home.
b. not enough belief in attack
c. unwillingness to make changes when required. eg 75mins to substitute a player performing well below an acceptable level ie. Kewell
d. playing players out of position rather than natural fits eg. Kuyt and Voronin on the wings, Arbeloa at CH (could he really not have played Hobbs against Wigan at home?
e. not facing up to poor performances eg. last night, Besiktas away, we did NOT create enough chances and passing the ball about the half way line is not controlling the game

These are not insurmountable problems and can all be rectified with a change of thinking, whether or not Rafa can show he's willing to change remains to be seen

[tommycockles]

Like I said: had the score ended 1-0 to us, most would all be talking about how promising such and such would be, and how awesome that player was on the night.

The fact is it didn't end 1-0 so this arguement is meaningless- if we were leading the table by 10 points everyone here would be kissing Benitez's ring (on his hand  ) but we're not! I don't think Benitez is totally to blame as the players have to take responsibility and the Directors have been less than supportive (and i'm not just talking about money). Until our club is being run properly i can't see us being stable on the field- we need G+H to pull their fingers out of their and appoint a proper CEO. Alternatively (and my preference); sell to DCI as we can't trust them for their word or their support of Rafa.

Rafa's has to shoulder some blame but there are far more problems above him we need to sort first!

[Owzat]

Emerald Red Posted on Jan. 03 2008,12:19
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Quote (s@int @ Jan. 03 2008,12:15)
Like our title chances this thread is fkd up

In more ways than one. Some of the posts I've read on here since last night are a disgrace.

Emerald there is always an influx of doombringers after a poor result but by now you should realize that these are mostly fans like you and I who are so frustrated by the cack like they got treated to last night they have to let of some steam and talk out out with fellow supporters, and the easiest place to do that is on a forum like this one. Up until the last few matches I tended to agree with you that there was too much over-reaction to performances and results especially with the injuries to key players. However, last nights game really spelt out to me all the things that I have come to believe are wrong with Rafa's approach to the game, these arn't things he should be sacked for, but things he should be looking to inprove on I dont want to repeat myself from my earlier post but to summarise

a. Unnecessary tactical ploys eg 451 at home.
b. not enough belief in attack
c. unwillingness to make changes when required. eg 75mins to substitute a player performing well below an acceptable level ie. Kewell
d. playing players out of position rather than natural fits eg. Kuyt and Voronin on the wings, Arbeloa at CH (could he really not have played Hobbs against Wigan at home?
e. not facing up to poor performances eg. last night, Besiktas away, we did NOT create enough chances and passing the ball about the half way line is not controlling the game

These are not insurmountable problems and can all be rectified with a change of thinking, whether or not Rafa can show he's willing to change remains to be seen

Therein lies the problem, Rafa won't change. He talks about taking one game at a time, that's bollax. So he took Gerrard off with 20 mins to go against Reading because he was thinking about the game in hand? And what was he thinking with the team last night, only Gerrard and Torres look likely to score goals out of the starting XI and with two strikers who came on way too late off the bench after we'd not increased our lead and given it away. I take it Kuyt and Crouch were being rested for our demanding trip to Luton, a potential banana skin, but if he wants to rest players then I'd have pencilled that game in as the one to do it in.

He won't change, at the moment he seems very obsessed with the midfield and attack. Kewell, Pennant, Mascherano and Alonso pose little goal threat most games so the goal had to come from Gerrard or Torres. And why change the formation against Wigan? This isn't the first bad result this season, I'm sure we could all list at least half a dozen bad results including defeat at home to Marseille, draws at home to Wigan and Birmingham, defeat at Reading and the disappointing effort away to City in a game there for the taking.

We've only played half a season and already we're out of the Carling Cup and practically out of the title race barring a fantastic run of games that never seem to come. Like Houllier Rafa had a very good start, unbeaten for a dozen games in the league, and then blew it. Why does anyone think Rafa will be any different and come good? Will it take away defeats to Chelsea, Arsenal and Man Utd and possibly failure to finish fourth to make people change their minds? Perhaps people will cling on to the European Cup win as justification of backing Rafa, that and the myth that fergie proves if you give someone long enough they'll win everything

[Emerald Red]

Emerald Red Posted on Jan. 03 2008,12:19
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Quote (s@int @ Jan. 03 2008,12:15)
Like our title chances this thread is fkd up

In more ways than one. Some of the posts I've read on here since last night are a disgrace.

Emerald there is always an influx of doombringers after a poor result but by now you should realize that these are mostly fans like you and I who are so frustrated by the cack like they got treated to last night they have to let of some steam and talk out out with fellow supporters, and the easiest place to do that is on a forum like this one. Up until the last few matches I tended to agree with you that there was too much over-reaction to performances and results especially with the injuries to key players. However, last nights game really spelt out to me all the things that I have come to believe are wrong with Rafa's approach to the game, these arn't things he should be sacked for, but things he should be looking to inprove on I dont want to repeat myself from my earlier post but to summarise

a. Unnecessary tactical ploys eg 451 at home.
b. not enough belief in attack
c. unwillingness to make changes when required. eg 75mins to substitute a player performing well below an acceptable level ie. Kewell
d. playing players out of position rather than natural fits eg. Kuyt and Voronin on the wings, Arbeloa at CH (could he really not have played Hobbs against Wigan at home?
e. not facing up to poor performances eg. last night, Besiktas away, we did NOT create enough chances and passing the ball about the half way line is not controlling the game

These are not insurmountable problems and can all be rectified with a change of thinking, whether or not Rafa can show he's willing to change remains to be seen

Yes, and as per usual (from experience) reading some of their posts sounds like they are just writing on impulse. Their posts, or opinions, just can't be taken seriously. There's no balance. No yin and yang. Just negative drivel like "sack Rafa now" or "Klinsmann for manager". Just because they heard it in the garbage press that apparently two clueless Yanks want Klinsmann in, they assume he's the best man for the job without actually knowing what the facts are, or indeed anything about the man at all. It's a joke. If you're going to come in here spouting that bollox, at least give clear indications on why you think it's the best course of action to take.

[burjennio]

Emerald Red Yes, and as per usual (from experience) reading some of their posts sounds like they are just writing on impulse. Their posts, or opinions, just can't be taken seriously. There's no balance. No yin and yang. Just negative drivel like "sack Rafa now" or "Klinsmann for manager". Just because they heard it in the garbage press that apparently two clueless Yanks want Klinsmann in, they assume he's the best man for the job without actually knowing what the facts are, or indeed anything about the man at all. It's a joke. If you're going to come in here spouting that bollox, at least give clear indications on why you think it's the best course of action to take.

The Klinnsman thing is right up there with the "Should we buy back Owen?" snapperheads who scurry around at transfer time, oblivious to the fact he's completely done. FWIW I think Klinnsman will make a very good manager, but I think we should be looking for someone who has more experience than 6 COMPETITIVE GAMES!!!!!

[VamosRafa]

I think the over the top reactions on this thread are fair. For me, this result is the straw that breaks the camels back. The seasons been so dissapointing in terms of the league. Not just from a results but from a performances point of view.  I'll put them into 3 categories, in order to illustrate this;
1) convincing controlled victories
Sunderland (2-0) Derby (6-0) Fulham (2-0) Newcastle (3-0) Bolton (4-0) Portsmouth (4-1)

2) smash and grab victories
Villa (2-1) Wigan (away 1-0) Derby (away 2-1) Everton (2-1)

3)inability to break down or finish off weaker opposition & disapointing performances
Portsmouth (0-0) Birmingham (0-0) Spurs (2-2) Blackburn (0-0) Reading (1-3) Man City (0-0) Wigan (0-0) Man Utd (0-1)

I've left out the Chelsea (1-1) and Arsenal (1-1) games, needless to say i was disapointed with both results.

I know they say the hallmark of a great team is picking up results when your playing badly, but it's impossible to pick up points when your playing badly the majority of the time. What can we put this down to, the players? Bad luck? Or the man whose job it is to buy players, and motivate them? I thinks it's completely ridiculous the way anyone who questions Benitez on this forum, is immediately ridiculed from all directions and jumped upon like he's just blasphemed in front of the Pope. How many times has rafa's tactics cost us this season, with him trying some bizarre 4-5-1/4-3-3, or sitting back until the last 10 minutes of games before he realises they have to be won. It's all very well being able to out-wit Rijkard and get a victory at the Nou Camp, but when you drop 4 points to Steve Bruce at home in one season, alarm bells must surely start ringing! The basic fact is we've only had one spell of title-contender form under Rafa which was the second half of the 05/06 when we already out of the title race by September. Now were out of the title race by January ( though some might point to that as progress!) and the same-old problems are rearing there head.

We find ourselves in a very difficult situation now.
If rafa goes it with completely rip the guts out of the club. Every aspect of the team relies so heavily on him, in a similar way to Wenger at Arsenal. It would not be as easy a transition as Mourhinos departure at Chelsea. If he goes it's possible Reina, Torres, Alonso, Mascherano will soon follow, effectively removing the spine of the team. There is also theyouth system which has been seized and completely taken over by Benitez after Heighway was forced out. That will have to be completely overhauled, with the 37 "young startlets" that Benitez has signed becoming disorientated and a waste of time. We'd also have the problem of his replacement, who'd take at least a season to make the club his own, as well as needing his own money to invest.

If he stays, can we expect his methods to ever win us the title? My honest gut feeling is no, unless he somehow gets the whole team to start playing again (not just Torres & Gerrard), and bring in players of quality.
I say we give him until the end of the season to prove himself, IN THE LEAGUE and we'll go from there.
After a 3rd crack of the whip under Benitez with money to spend, (i'd say the first season was a write off) the title is beyond our grasp again and it's only january, happy feckin new year