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[lio]

For me just looking at the number of 'draw' games so far is heartbreaking. It's never a 'satisfactory' result each time we get a draw.
Eight draws is massive 16pts lost and we are 2nd only to Fulham as 'draw' specialist in the league today. Damn sad.

[lakes10]

lets do a Newcastle on it and sack the manager for getting us nearly relegated.......oh sorry we won a Champions League and an FA cup and we got to another Champion League under Sam ....eh I mean Rafa Benitez....
The panic and criticism is like what is going on at Newcastle only we are in the next round of the champions league and fifth in the league... Some people on here need to get a grip, get behind the manager it took Ferguson years to turn around things at Old Trafford and Wenger for all his genius hasnt done it in Europe yet after ten years there.
PATIENCE is needed folks, ignore the hype and the Five live phone in idiots who think they know it all.

Alf Ramsey won the world cup once but when things did not go well for him he still got the sack, its not what you did, its what you can still do and doing.

yes and havent england been sooooo successful since!! ?

i think thats more down to the fack that all England managers feel they have a god given right to win the World cup every time since then.....as the same can be said for the players.

and not having good enough players had nothing to do with it?

the thing is a England manager can not go out and spend 50m to get other players.

anyway most will say that we have had better england teams since.......just we were not better than the teams that beat us lol.........unlike Liverpool (we are always better than the teams that beat us).

[NANNY RED]

I'm new here ... been a lurker for years but finally I thought I have to wade in and say what a disgrace some of you are here .

The sack rafa brigade needs to check themselves, FFS it is ONLY the answer if you can provide names of managers who will do better WITH THIS SQUAD... Any manager coming in will realise that rafa hasnt been asking for funds for no reason.

Bottom line is we still do NOT have the quality of the top 3, and unfortunately money talks in this league - we spent a shitload before this season, but that in all honesty was because thats what it took to get a world class striker in the squad - and one that i have no doubt will be leading goal scorer for years to come.

On todays game, FFS the last 2 games, the opposition has put everyone into the box and then just counterpunched us - we were unlucky and to sack rafa because of that is .
Don't tell me any of the top 3 would have broken down the defences over the last 2 games any better than we attempted - only differences is some like o'shea would have got a lucky knob on the ball and scored off a set piece ...

Anyway, go easy on me  I just think this sack talk has got to stop - and for the calling him a fat so and so, you should be red-carded and fark off as no real fan talks like that !

Best post on here all night lad

Im gutted just like everyone else but this get Rafa out lark has to stop one poster on here mentioned Shanks as ive said many times before we would have no history if we would of got rid of him after 3 and a half seasons it took him 6 years to win us the league.

Admitedly i get frustrated with Rafa sometimes and i question his decisions but i am the supporter and he is a highly qualified footie manager who is the manager of our team.

You cant blame him all the time he picked a good team tonight and they never done there job , so what you gonna do sack the team.

In years gone by we would of all been disagreeing after the match in the pub for about an hour on who played and this and that but come closin time we would be in love with them again . But on here your getting fans ripping the team and the manager apart not a reds supporter in my opinion

Theres no other manager i want at this club other than Rafa Benitez end of. Right ive had me rant now so ill put me tin hat on shall i.

[jonnymac1979]

I think I must have been watching a different game from you m8? Kewell had a reasonably good game in my book. Steve Finnan was class all evening and he always is. Stevie G was above average even if he could have played better, and as for Aurelio, well he does struggle to get into the game sometimes, but I think he has a lot of potential.

I agree with you about Penant tho, he's well below our standards most of the time although he does show the occasional flash of excellence we desperately need on the right side of the park. Shame his lack of vision gets in the way so often.

To expand upon my point mate, the Kewell who played in the 4-0 Marseille game was what I would call Kewell having a good game.  He was excellent that night, and the weather was colder in France that night.  Tonight was Baltic at Anfield.  Besides the point anyway but he can play well in colder conditions that tonight.

I thought that tonight, he didn't weight his passes, his first touch wasn't the best for the shot he had in the first half (which was a genuine chance) he beat his man ONCE which was deep into the second half, and although I can't agree with this point at all, the fans around me cheered when he was brought off.  Although I wouldn't do that myself, I could see he'd not had his best night.

Gerrard was not in the game for me.  He was our spare man, and played very deep in the first half, when I felt he should be used further up the field, ESPECIALLY as Alonso and Mascherano were on the pitch.  He hardly won any, IF ANY second balls all night (to be fair, hardly anyone did) he wasn't sharp in the tackle, was getting in his own players' way occasionally and only for the last 12-15 minutes did he look like he was interested.

I like Aurelio actually, and given a run nof games could be a decent left back for us if he wasn't injured all the time.  I just thought his crossing was off tonight.

Pennant put a really decent cross in during the first half but no fucker was there to attack it cause we only had Torres at the back post in the box and no one else following it up. I think it was Melchiot who had all the time in the world to take it down.

Just a awfully bad game and a bad night.  Their goal for instance, the defensive header which landed straight to Bramble's feet was unforgivable.  It should have been cleared.  It was easier to clear than head it away the meagre amount of yards it travelled.  Was it Mascherano?  I've not seen teh highlights.

It was just silly mistakes like that all night that stopped us getting into a groove.  A couple of passes strung together, only for the third pass to be over or under hit, or straight to their player.  The referee was fucking bent as well (I mean on the take, the Chelsea favouring fucker, not in a private sexual relationship with Blues*i*e Marcus Bent), and we stunk the place out.  The players probably know it themselves, but that's how I saw it anyway.

[holylamb2006]

I think the team with end up with 20-26 points behind the leaders by the end of Feb.08, bad times ahead could be certain!!!

How can u be so certain that its gonna be 20-26 points huh ....

In my own opinion i wouldt right off liverpool

Agger due back then that makes life a whole lot easier at the back ....
                reina                       
Finnan  carragher  agger Arbeloa

Now that looks like a pretty sound job at the back and the main reason y we havent been going for it full on is because
Benitez was aware of arbeloa been below average at CB so he wanted to make sure he got extra cover .....

We took  chance in playing pennant players are never their best after coming bcak from a injury .....

I wouldnt say its 20-26 points gap not a hope ...

[puroresu]

I'm wondering if the score had have been 1-0 to us, would we be getting as much bollox being spoken and would as many spanners be coming out of the works to post their negative drivel.

I think not.

I think had the score been 1-0, we'd all be talking about how well such and such played and how good the team performed, which let's be honest, they did perform. They played well as a unit. It's just a sad fact that once again, as so many times in the past, we never killed the opposition off. Start searching for reasons why this is happening rather than come out and blame the manager or asking for his head. It's annoying. And old.

Isnt it more to do with the fact that again its 2 points dropped.  Its not like we havent dropped much points this year and tonight is jut unlucky or one of those nights.  Its failure to win a game we should be winning again which is the problem.

[Pedro Maradona]

I'm new here ... been a lurker for years but finally I thought I have to wade in and say what a disgrace some of you are here .

The sack rafa brigade needs to check themselves, FFS it is ONLY the answer if you can provide names of managers who will do better WITH THIS SQUAD... Any manager coming in will realise that rafa hasnt been asking for funds for no reason.

Bottom line is we still do NOT have the quality of the top 3, and unfortunately money talks in this league - we spent a shitload before this season, but that in all honesty was because thats what it took to get a world class striker in the squad - and one that i have no doubt will be leading goal scorer for years to come.

On todays game, FFS the last 2 games, the opposition has put everyone into the box and then just counterpunched us - we were unlucky and to sack rafa because of that is .
Don't tell me any of the top 3 would have broken down the defences over the last 2 games any better than we attempted - only differences is some like o'shea would have got a lucky knob on the ball and scored off a set piece ...

Anyway, go easy on me  I just think this sack talk has got to stop - and for the calling him a fat so and so, you should be red-carded and fark off as no real fan talks like that !

Best post on here all night lad

Im gutted just like everyone else but this get Rafa out lark has to stop one poster on here mentioned Shanks as ive said many times before we would have no history if we would of got rid of him after 3 and a half seasons it took him 6 years to win us the league.

Admitedly i get frustrated with Rafa sometimes and i question his decisions but i am the supporter and he is a highly qualified footie manager who is the manager of our team.

You cant blame him all the time he picked a good team tonight and they never done there job , so what you gonna do sack the team.

In years gone by we would of all been disagreeing after the match in the pub for about an hour on who played and this and that but come closin time we would be in love with them again . But on here your getting fans ripping the team and the manager apart not a reds supporter in my opinion

Theres no other manager i want at this club other than Rafa Benitez end of. Right ive had me rant now so ill put me tin hat on shall i.

good post! Im sick of the hysteria of it all, Even the best got it wrong the odd time, Anyone remember after we did the double under King Kenny in 1986 and the following season (1987) when Everton won the league, we won nothing and got beaten by Arsenal in the League Cup? they wrote us off said that was the end of Liverpool and the next year we went out bought Barnes, Beardsley, Aldridge, Houghton and we were possibly one of the best teams on the planet? thats football, you have to be patient.
Media saturation means every single pass is analysed to the extreme. An like Andy Gray points something out and before you know it everyone who has skysports is an expert. Player, managers are human they make mistakes sometimes Rafa is no different, thats football. We live in a world where we want everything instantly, we have to be patient. unlike chelsea our owners dont want to part with their money so im afraid winning an instant league with the help of billions of pounds isnt going to happen. So lets give the man time, Rome wasnt built in a day.

[account deleted by request]

Im gutted just like everyone else but this get Rafa out lark has to stop one poster on here mentioned Shanks as ive said many times before we would have no history if we would of got rid of him after 3 and a half seasons it took him 6 years to win us the league.

I don't agree with the kneejerk Rafa out brigade, but to say that it took Shankly 6 years to win the league so we should give Rafa more time is a bit misleading. We were in the second division when Shankly took over and we hadnt won a tap since the '40's.

We had just finished 4th in the prem when Rafa took over. We had won a glorious treble only a couple of seasons before.

Bit of a difference to their respective starting points Nanny. Or maybe we should compare Rafa with Paisley who took 2 years or maybe Dalglish or Fagan ?

At the end of the day its all about progess. Do you think we have progressed far enough and fast enough under Rafa. Do you believe we will finish the league within touching distance of the winners, or do you think we will be fighting for 4th place again.

[The_Rock]

Have to say....
1)I did not see the match
2)I don't know whats the starting line-up as of now
3)Just got a shock when i look at the 1-1 score.

But....like i mentioned before...it does not matter if we are playing derby or wigan..we have to play our strongest team. We cannot drop our best players (even 1 of them) as our backup players are not good enough.

Hope this puts in the final nail......we pick the same team and stick with it....... Thats all folks....

But look at the bright side....rafa has to now concerntrate on the champions league and he always picks the right team for that (most of the time.....  )

Champions league....here we come....

[Bad Bob]

While the negativity is predictable given the significance of the result, I cannot agree with most of what's been said.  We dominated the game from first whistle until final whistle and were let down by our usual lack of clinical finishing (Gerrard being particularly guilty) and by a fluke goal from a poor clearance (Gerrard again, unfortunately).  We weren't negative just because Torres was our lone striker (our other strikers are a bit rubbish, remember?)--how could we be when we had them pinned back on the edge of their box and scrambling most of the game?  As usual, Rafa's taken most of the stick but I've yet to read a convincing critique of either the starting line-up or the tactics tonight.  The old adage, well he bought the players so the buck stops with him is, of course, true but when even your best players can't score when the opportunities arise, I find it more than a little churlish to just stick the boot in to the manager again.  Fact is, apart from actually sticking the ball in the back of the net, we did enough to win this game comfortably and we failed to get it done.  A huge disappointment to be sure, but not nearly the dire performance that most are suggesting, IMO.

[NANNY RED]

Im gutted just like everyone else but this get Rafa out lark has to stop one poster on here mentioned Shanks as ive said many times before we would have no history if we would of got rid of him after 3 and a half seasons it took him 6 years to win us the league.

I don't agree with the kneejerk Rafa out brigade, but to say that it took Shankly 6 years to win the league so we should give Rafa more time is a bit misleading. We were in the second division when Shankly took over and we hadnt won a tap since the '40's.

We had just finished 4th in the prem when Rafa took over. We had won a glorious treble only a couple of seasons before.

Bit of a difference to their respective starting points Nanny. Or maybe we should compare Rafa with Paisley who took 2 years or maybe Dalglish or Fagan ?

At the end of the day its all about progess. Do you think we have progressed far enough and fast enough under Rafa. Do you believe we will finish the league within touching distance of the winners, or do you think we will be fighting for 4th place again.

OOPS sorry Saint lad forgot you were around in the fortys

I just get a bit sick and tired Saint when all you hear on here after the match is Sack Rafa it does my head in. He put a good team out tonight and the players didnt do there job, but no one is blaming them its always Rafa

[account deleted by request]

OOPS sorry Saint lad forgot you were around in the fortys 

You are definately on my hit list now !!! I wasn't even born in the (add expletive here) 40's.

[Bad Bob]

Have to say....
1)I did not see the match
2)I don't know whats the starting line-up as of now
3)Just got a shock when i look at the 1-1 score.

But....like i mentioned before...it does not matter if we are playing derby or wigan..we have to play our strongest team. We cannot drop our best players (even 1 of them) as our backup players are not good enough.

Hope this puts in the final nail......we pick the same team and stick with it....... Thats all folks....

But look at the bright side....rafa has to now concerntrate on the champions league and he always picks the right team for that (most of the time.....  )

Champions league....here we come....

I think you'll be in for a shock when you see the team sheet, Rock.  It was a very strong team on the pitch tonight, especially given our misfiring strikers (Torres excepted, of course).  Team selection and tactics were not the problem tonight.

[Pedro Maradona]

Im imagining the scenario at Rafas first training session at liverpool watching Cheyrou, Traore, le Tallec, Baros, Biscan and Diao having a kick around and he turning to Paco and going oh dear what have we signed up for? Then he thinks ok I know what I'l do I'l basically keep the supporters happy by winning a Champions League in the first year and in the next few years gradually turn things around at the club the way I want to and eventually get it to the stage where we might win the premiership. Then he turns to david Moores and he says hey Mr. Chairman you have lots of money right? buy me some quality layers and Moores says no Im not that wealty but Im going to sell the club soon to someone far richer than me and everything will be ok. In the meantime Chelsea win a league with there instant wealth while Liverpool have to look on without any vast sums of cash. Now, fast forward a couple of years and 2 champions league finals later and he asks the new chairmen for more money just say more money than Tottenham or Sunderland are going to spend and the chairmen say "no rawfa we dont want to give you money, your job is to coach the team now go out and win the premier league Rawfa." In the meantime we have journalists who love to stir up things because negative stories are get for selling papers so Rafa has to deal with that too.
Ah the joys of being a Liverpool manager......

[The_Rock]

I'm sure Wigan will come and put eleven men behind the ball, so either expect a frustrating game at Anfield, or a comfortable win.

Thats the last time I'm starting a match thread.

I'm not even going to bother watching this one, we're out of the title race yet again. 

Dude.....you are not alone....the last time i started the match thread we lost to manure....so i am pretty much worse than you.....