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[Emerald Red]

why are we fighting with each other?

Because it's a sign of love...big manly love. I wouldn't know cause I don't fight on here.

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question for you Peewee, do you still believe this one as well?

Quote (peewee @ Oct. 04 2007,05:43)
one think no one has mentioned yet and i perish at the thought, but what if the players are trying to force him out or trying to force him into changing his system by putting in inept performances, its not beyond the realms of possibility


Keep 'em coming, guy--we've all got so much to learn from someone that used to go to the match. 

Bob as a mod you dont need to keep stirring the pot fella, in actual fact even if Peewee has changed his mind about the way our form has dipped or whatever, your hardly the person to be pointing that out.

last season you were so Pro Kuyt and telling everyone he'd find form, and almost disreguarding critical posts of him (probably as Mick rated him) But now this season your turning around saying selling him wouldnt be a bad idea

Now I aint knocking you for changing your opinion, or as most "pro-roatationalists" would call it, 'being fickle', I dont think like that, in football you can change your opinion, and do not have to stick by your guns even if you think you are wrong. Sabre has done this with Xabi, and rotation, he probabaly knows he's either over analyzing the game too much or just called it wrong, but he's probably to scared to change his opinion, probably because he'd be labelled "fickle".

Even if Peewee has changed his mind so what ?

Leon, Stu and many many others have told us on the net, that its much better seeing a side live, so if your also gonna have a dig at Peewee for that, have a word with your fellow mod, as he usually sings from the same hymn sheet.

If not leave out the niggles, your a MOD now.

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To elaborate, I think Mascherano is a fantastic player but doesn't do enough with the ball going forward.  In terms of distribution, Alonso is a better option.  Defensively, I don't think Alonso matches the Argentine in terms of pace or tenacity in harrying ball carriers but his defensive positioning and tackling are superior (Masch opts for the risky slide tackle too often, IMO) so it's fairly close in that department.  Overall then, Alonso shades it for me and I'll be happy to have him back.

maybe if you went to a game you will see the work all the players do off the ball, obviously watching on tv you can only see what they show, sadly this is the same for me the last 5 years but thats why I try and talk about things i know about as opposed to speculating on who is the better player, they both have their plus points but the fact we have performed very well without alonso speaks volumes and shows people can stop blaming the 'blip' on his absence

At one point you were suggesting the blip was down to Pako leaving and that our recovery was due to Rafa seeing the light!  I'm waiting for the day when you stick to talking about things you know.

well i know you gave me a card based on past things and to settle a score as opposed to giving me one because i deserved one, hows that for starters bob,

the fact is your football knowledge is minimal and based on others comments, seriously bob, go to a game and then base your opinions on players based on that, actually see the work they do as opposed to following the camera and what other posters say on here, form your own opinion.

my opinion on pako has not changed, our loss of form was down to him going and the continual over rotation, so no changes there bob so i don't know where you got your ridiculous notion that i have changed my mind, but i know you have never let facts get in the way of you having a dig before so i suppose i shouldn't expect that from you know.

just a question bob, have you even ever played football at ANY competitive level?

question for you Peewee, do you still believe this one as well?

one think no one has mentioned yet and i perish at the thought, but what if the players are trying to force him out or trying to force him into changing his system by putting in inept performances, its not beyond the realms of possibility

Keep 'em coming, guy--we've all got so much to learn from someone that used to go to the match.

and where do i say that i believe that comment, i raised it as a thought and at no point say that it is my belief.  keep em coming bob, but at least try and put some thought into it.

i wonder why you never answered my question about your footballing past and why you chose to counter that by trying to deflect from it

ho hum, so basically we agree your football knowledge is based on reading this forum and watching football on tv with american or canadian commentators, yeah i really trust your opinion on football   

[112-1077774096]

question for you Peewee, do you still believe this one as well?

Quote (peewee @ Oct. 04 2007,05:43)
one think no one has mentioned yet and i perish at the thought, but what if the players are trying to force him out or trying to force him into changing his system by putting in inept performances, its not beyond the realms of possibility


Keep 'em coming, guy--we've all got so much to learn from someone that used to go to the match. 

Bob as a mod you dont need to keep stirring the pot fella, in actual fact even if Peewee has changed his mind about the way our form has dipped or whatever, your hardly the person to be pointing that out.

last season you were so Pro Kuyt and telling everyone he'd find form, and almost disreguarding critical posts of him (probably as Mick rated him) But now this season your turning around saying selling him wouldnt be a bad idea

Now I aint knocking you for changing your opinion, or as most "pro-roatationalists" would call it, 'being fickle', I dont think like that, in football you can change your opinion, and do not have to stick by your guns even if you think you are wrong. Sabre has done this with Xabi, and rotation, he probabaly knows he's either over analyzing the game too much or just called it wrong, but he's probably to scared to change his opinion, probably because he'd be labelled "fickle".

Even if Peewee has changed his mind so what ?

Leon, Stu and many many others have told us on the net, that its much better seeing a side live, so if your also gonna have a dig at Peewee for that, have a word with your fellow mod, as he usually sings from the same hymn sheet.

If not leave out the niggles, your a MOD now.

   don't worry mate, as yet he hasn't managed to come up with a decent argument or a decent point against me, hence the petty yellow card, and while he keeps trying to deflect from his lack of knowledge he isnt doing himself any favours, even his little 'downer' against me is obviously based on his lack of ability to mod properly which i pointed out to him and he has to resort to dishing out an unwarranted card to try and get even.

again i ask the question bob, will you please tell us all about your experience in both playing and watching football, it will help me to take your footballing views more seriously, I mean recently you were deriding the comments of steve macmahon, the ex liverpool player and england international so i was assuming you had played to a higher level than him

this time answer the question and keep some credibility rather than traipse back through the board and try and catch me out with something

just to make it clear my views have not changed, and if you choose to drag up irrelevant things like the comment above then at least try and understand them in the real context, as in a thought thrown out there as opposed to an actual belief

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now back to football, i cant really see agger being thrown in today, i would imaging arbeloa and kewell on the left, finnan and yossi on the right, gerrard in his best position in the center with mash ( the only way i can see gerrard on the right is to counter the rent boy which will then nullify gerrard as a threat), up front should be torres and crouch

[bigmick]

Just a couple of things spring to mind here while I'm sweating me nuts off (it's about 33 degrees here today and fecking unbearable). Firstly, sorry in advance to Peewee and Bamaga, but I've got to stick up for Bob's tight to defend himself if somebody actually names him, refers to him in a post. He has a right to respond in my opinion, whether he is a mod or not. Just because you are a mod it doesn't or shouldn't mean that you can be criticised without having a right of reply. Apart from anything else it'd be fecking boring if people just had to take flack without giving some back.

Secondly, and I might as well fall out with everyone on the board practically while I'm at it. This thing of Leon, Stu's and now Peewee's about attending the games in order to have a clue is simply plain wrong, I've said it before and I'll say it again. Attending games does give you an insight which you are often unable to pick up off the telly, but even then you'd need to know what you're looking at. I'm not saying for a second that Leon, Stu and Peewee don't, but this idea that Anfield is filled with forty thousand experts a week is fantasy stuff to be honest. I think it's a bit too easy a retort, if you don't agree with something to use the "go to the game" angle.

All that said and thirdly, Peewee does have a point about the Alonso thing. Funnily enough I was just thinking the other day that when we went through our "blip", the anti-rotationers maintained all along that our reluctance to keep the semblence of a settled team and our eagerness to "rest" our best players was the overriding reason that we were in something of a "dip in form". (I keep puitting "blip" and other similar things in quotes because the reality is of course that it was much more than a blip, and it wasn't a dip in form we were playing absolutely awful). Anyhow, anti-rotationers were chided and assured that far from being the overiding reason, the team selections were merely one of a huge number of factors, and a pretty insignificant one at that.

"But Torres started against Porto and we didn't score then either   " it seems incredible when you think about it but some posters actually wrote that. The other factors of course at the time were Alonso's absense mainly, along with the loss of Agger, International breaks etc etc. Well since then neither of the aforementioned injured players have played a game, International breaks have come and gone and the team has low and behold found some form. Coincidently, Torres plays every game now and practically scores every game as well, similarly Gerrard.  Masherano too almost always plays, and we almost always have the same central defensive partnership. It's not a "seeing of the light" from Rafa I'll grant you that, but there does seem to be a bit more common sense shown in most cases these days, with the obvious exception of Reading Away. So I repeat on the question of Alonso, such was the vehement criticism of anybody who dared to voice an opinion that he may not be Jesus christ reincarnated, it doesn't seem unreasonable to mention the fact that he hasn't played a part in our richest run of form under Rafa.

[account deleted by request]

Nerves have set in now, suddenly it doesn't seem the easy walkover I was dreaming of all week but a bloody hard game against one of the top sides. I still think if we play anywhere near the top of our game we will win, but I desperately want a couple of early goals for us today. Maybe then I will be able to relax a little and actually enjoy the game, rather than the usual nervous breakdown throughout the 90mins.

[lio]

got the same feel too.. butterflies in my belly now.
lost that winning feeling after reading too much about their strike force.
praying that they'll lost their bearings this time.

[bigmick]

I still say much as I would love to win the game, not losing it is absolutely crucial. Get beat here and as far as the Premiership is concerned, we absolutely gone for all money in my opinion.

Thankfully I don't think it will come to that, and I take us to get home in a war of attrition by a single goal. I fancy Gerrard to score it.

[The_Rock]

If u give me a draw now...i will snatch it straightaway....

There is nothing i hate then to lose to manure (apart from losing in the final of the champions league.... )

So as long as we don't lose, i would be satisfied...

BTW, according to my sources this is the team rafa might put out against the scums...

                   Reina
  Arbeloa   Carra   Hyppia  Riise
Voronin  Gerrard  Mash  Kewell
        Kuyt    Torres

Hope not...don't really like voronin and Kuyt in the same line-up.

[bigmick]

If u give me a draw now...i will snatch it straightaway....

There is nothing i hate then to lose to manure (apart from losing in the final of the champions league.... )

So as long as we don't lose, i would be satisfied...

BTW, according to my sources this is the team rafa might put out against the scums...

                   Reina
  Arbeloa   Carra   Hyppia  Riise
Voronin  Gerrard  Mash  Kewell
        Kuyt    Torres

Hope not...don't really like voronin and Kuyt in the same line-up.

Well I don't know how good your sources are Rock, but I cannot believe he will play that team, surely not. If he plays anything other than a standard 4-4-2, and without a striker playing a pseudo wide role then I will be absolutely amazed and needless to say extemely critical. I just can't see it mate, please God no.

[bigmick]

FWIW I actually have a hunch he might start Lucas and play Gerrard on the right. If he were to do this or something similar, then fair enough. If however we were to revisit the confusion of the Reading 4-3-3, 4-5-1 debacle then I think we would lose the game, and I think he would get absolutely hammered.

[Emerald Red]

Top o' the mornin' to ye, fella's.

I feel like . Haven't slept a bit. Not because of todays game either. I just didn't feel tired, and now I do. But if I sleep I'll be in a right state to wake for the match, so f*ck it. Watching the game later is going to be weird. It'll feel like I've sniffed a pint of glue. We better win to justify the zombie-like state I'll be in.

[The_Rock]

If u give me a draw now...i will snatch it straightaway....

There is nothing i hate then to lose to manure (apart from losing in the final of the champions league.... )

So as long as we don't lose, i would be satisfied...

BTW, according to my sources this is the team rafa might put out against the scums...

                   Reina
  Arbeloa   Carra   Hyppia  Riise
Voronin  Gerrard  Mash  Kewell
        Kuyt    Torres

Hope not...don't really like voronin and Kuyt in the same line-up.

Well I don't know how good your sources are Rock, but I cannot believe he will play that team, surely not. If he plays anything other than a standard 4-4-2, and without a striker playing a pseudo wide role then I will be absolutely amazed and needless to say extemely critical. I just can't see it mate, please God no.

I hope (no pray) that my source is wrong too......

Ah well...catch you in the pro-match discussions here....

[account deleted by request]

Im nervous as a kitten about todays game, but if I was offered a draw I wouldn't take it. We need to win this game, and while a draw wouldn't be a complete disaster it would certainly set us back much more than the mancs. I think this is a game we need to win if we are to seriously mount a title challenge. The lastest news seems to indicate no more funds will be available for transfers after Christmas , which means this game is more of a "must win" rather than a "must not lose" game, for me anyway.

I don't see much wrong with Rocks team to be honest Mick. As long as Voronin played as a winger and keeps to the wing it may work. Evra is one of the mancs main sources of attack, maybe Voronin could keep him occupied better than Benayoun or Babel who like to cut inside and leave space out on the wing.