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Postby europian-kings » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:52 am

ruskiy playmaker wrote:
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woof woof ! wrote: Jammy if not deserved penalty BUT truth is WE'RE LOOKING SERIOUSLY SHORT OF "KWALATY"

:(

Keane has gotta be the most expensive LUMP that lfc have ever signed and despite all the money we've spent we have to resort to bringing NGOG on !

:no

£20 million for keane was insane.

To be honest, he's not even worth half that on current form.  I know I've mentioned it more than once, but I still can't undertand why we didn't go for Arshavin, when he was available for the same amount.

I like Arshavan don't get me wrong,
but i think he went for keane because he has proven what he can do in the english league already.

even if we can't see it at the moment..... lol.

i still think we will sign somebody in january but my best bet is Emile Heskey.  :buttrock
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:59 am

Well, I thought we were good value for the point. We had at least three clear chances to score (Agger 2, Gerrard 1). It wasn't an horrific performance, but I acknowledge that we're capable of much better.

First half we were particularly poor though; our passing was sloppy, we never really settled, and because of that not only did we not apply enough presure, we ended up going to sleep and conceding.

They then set up to defend their lead, and they did a very good job at it. We struggled to make a consistent threat given the level of possession we had, but of the chances we created, we probably should've scored one of them (esp Agger's second header). When teams set up like that i.e. defending deep and keeping their discipline, it's always difficult to find a way through, particularly for us though. One of the best ways to find a way through under these circumstances is from set pieces, but given our lack of an aerial threat, it meant our options were reduced to passing it in and around the box, i.e. through incisive passing and intelligent movement. That's hardly our forte as a side, and is one of the key reasons we struggled tonight, and why we generally do against park the bus opposition.

So, in and around the box, only on a couple of occasions did we produce that kind of incisive play we needed - once involving Arbeloa, Babel, Gerrard and Kuyt,  and the other involving Gerrard and Keane - which led to one of our best chances with his shot over the bar. BUT, Gerrard producing moment of magic on the edge of the box isn't enough, we need a consistent threat on that front.

Given the situation, I was surprised at the substitutions. That type of tactical scenario is EXACTLY the type of situation Babel fails miserably in; because his passing, first touch and movement are poor.

Equally, I thought taking off Keane - someone who can produce moments of incisive play - wasn't the correct move. The fact that he was taken off for Ngog - a player whose passing, control, first touch etc, is also highly questionable - was even more surprising (to put it bluntly, I don't think either Babel or Nggog are good enough long-term, and that's on the basis of having seen Babel over the past season, and Ngog from the brief spell tonight and against Villa where he was woeful).

I thought Benayoun would've been the most suitable player to come on, in place of Kuyt. At the very least he's far more intelligent than Babel and Ngog, but also Kuyt. He can conjure up a subtle movement,or pass every so often which can unlock tough defences. Lucas did next to nothing when he came on, but his introduction was neither here nor there.
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Postby account deleted by request » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:00 am

europian-kings wrote:i still think we will sign somebody in january but my best bet is Emile Heskey.  :buttrock

Just what we are fkn short of ...... another striker that can't score  :D
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Postby Igor Zidane » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:05 am

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europian-kings wrote:i still think we will sign somebody in january but my best bet is Emile Heskey.  :buttrock

Just what we are fkn short of ...... another striker that can't score  :D

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Postby ruskiy playmaker » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:08 am

europian-kings wrote:
ruskiy playmaker wrote:
puroresu wrote:
woof woof ! wrote: Jammy if not deserved penalty BUT truth is WE'RE LOOKING SERIOUSLY SHORT OF "KWALATY"

:(

Keane has gotta be the most expensive LUMP that lfc have ever signed and despite all the money we've spent we have to resort to bringing NGOG on !

:no

£20 million for keane was insane.

To be honest, he's not even worth half that on current form.  I know I've mentioned it more than once, but I still can't undertand why we didn't go for Arshavin, when he was available for the same amount.

I like Arshavan don't get me wrong,
but i think he went for keane because he has proven what he can do in the english league already.

even if we can't see it at the moment..... lol.

i still think we will sign somebody in january but my best bet is Emile Heskey.  :buttrock

I'd be satisfied with Heskey.  He'd be a good signing, especially with the way we are playing right now.
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Postby Kharhaz » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:09 am

LFC2007 wrote:Equally, I thought taking off Keane - someone who can produce moments of incisive play - wasn't the correct move. The fact that he was taken off for Ngog - a player whose passing, control, first touch etc, is also highly questionable - was even more surprising (to put it bluntly, I don't think either Babel or Nggog are good enough long-term, and that's on the basis of having seen Babel over the past season, and Ngog from the brief spell tonight and against Villa where he was woeful).

We didnt need passing, we needed someone to at least have a strike at goal, Keane hasnt been doing that nearly enough as as he should be doing so to me, this made sense. Incisive play was being made for keane in the 6 yard box and keane wasnt there to make the most of it. He was like the rest, trying to create for others. We needed a striker to take any opportunity that came there were, unfortunately, a kid came on for keane rather than an experienced striker.
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Postby JohnLocke » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:14 am

I thought it was a poor performance tonight. Yes we had alot of possession but thats to be expected when we're playing at anfield, We know that teams are going to sit back. The players have to turn that possession into chances and goals, something they struggled to do tonight and have in the past.
The best chances that Liverpool had came from set peices, in open play we were finding it hard to create chances.

Playing Keane up front on his own is pretty pointless, he just hasn't got the pace or strength to play in that role.

I think we've got problems in the fullback positions and have for a long time. Arbeloa and Aurelio aren't the worse fullbacks in the world, but they simply just dont give enough going foward. When trying to break teams down who are sitting back and have 11 men behind the ball (which happens almost every game at anfeild) fullbacks are important players in creating that extra space and strechting the other team. United, Chelsea, Arsenal all have full backs who love getting foward and can create goals & chances week after week, something we have lacked for a long time. When the fullbacks did get foward tonight they didn't do it with much intent and a hopefull ball into the box from 40 yards was the best we could hope for.

I thought Alonso had another good game tonight, thank god we didn't sell him at the end of the season.........As for the penalty, blatant!! should have been sent off as well, disgracefull challenge. :p
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:14 am

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LFC2007 wrote:Equally, I thought taking off Keane - someone who can produce moments of incisive play - wasn't the correct move. The fact that he was taken off for Ngog - a player whose passing, control, first touch etc, is also highly questionable - was even more surprising (to put it bluntly, I don't think either Babel or Nggog are good enough long-term, and that's on the basis of having seen Babel over the past season, and Ngog from the brief spell tonight and against Villa where he was woeful).

We didnt need passing, we needed someone to at least have a strike at goal, Keane hasnt been doing that nearly enough as as he should be doing so to me, this made sense. Incisive play was being made for keane in the 6 yard box and keane wasnt there to make the most of it. He was like the rest, trying to create for others. We needed a striker to take any opportunity that came there were, unfortunately, a kid came on for keane rather than an experienced striker.

We needed that too, but we also needed better passing and movement in and around the box to help us get in behind them. Everyone could've performed better in this respect, but Kuyt, Riera, Babel and Ngog were particularly poor. Keane and Gerrard were our two most effective players on that front, but even still, Gerrard's movement at times wasn't good enough. Sometimes he'd stay in the middle, literally behind Keane. A proper second striker would operate closer to the play, to support and to link play e.g. spaces ahead of Arbeloa and adjacent to Kuyt. Gerrard can do this, but it isn't his main strength.
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Postby Lando_Griffin » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:20 am

I can't help but think that Torres would have had about 4 goals tonight, had he played. The only thing we were missing was movement in the box and a finishing touch.

To say it was a poor performance not only detracts from the lads, but also from a very accomplished Athletico side IMHO.
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Postby jonnymac1979 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:28 am

Anyone else sick we missed out on Simao a couple of years back?  Top player him.  Always looks dangerous when I've watched him.
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Postby SupitsJonF » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:32 am

JohnLocke wrote:I thought it was a poor performance tonight. Yes we had alot of possession but thats to be expected when we're playing at anfield, We know that teams are going to sit back. The players have to turn that possession into chances and goals, something they struggled to do tonight and have in the past.
The best chances that Liverpool had came from set peices, in open play we were finding it hard to create chances.

Playing Keane up front on his own is pretty pointless, he just hasn't got the pace or strength to play in that role.

I think we've got problems in the fullback positions and have for a long time. Arbeloa and Aurelio aren't the worse fullbacks in the world, but they simply just dont give enough going foward. When trying to break teams down who are sitting back and have 11 men behind the ball (which happens almost every game at anfeild) fullbacks are important players in creating that extra space and strechting the other team. United, Chelsea, Arsenal all have full backs who love getting foward and can create goals & chances week after week, something we have lacked for a long time. When the fullbacks did get foward tonight they didn't do it with much intent and a hopefull ball into the box from 40 yards was the best we could hope for.

I thought Alonso had another good game tonight, thank god we didn't sell him at the end of the season.........As for the penalty, blatant!! should have been sent off as well, disgracefull challenge. :p

Your first post was better then half the posts in here!  Although I don't agree with everything you said.

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Postby Kharhaz » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:32 am

jonnymac1979 wrote:Anyone else sick we missed out on Simao a couple of years back?  Top player him.  Always looks dangerous when I've watched him.

Id say hes more of a curse. Whenever we play a team in which he is involved, we are in a period where we are struggling to score goals ! He always seems to be in the opposite bloody team when that happens !
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Postby JohnLocke » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:32 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:I can't help but think that Torres would have had about 4 goals tonight, had he played. The only thing we were missing was movement in the box and a finishing touch.

To say it was a poor performance not only detracts from the lads, but also from a very accomplished Athletico side IMHO.


For me it was a poor peformance. I can't pick out many players from tonight who had a good game. The passing was poor, and there was again way to many aimless long balls.

The past 2 games at anfield we've needed late penaltys to bail us out, and those are the only goals we've manged to score. The past few games have shown how much we are missing Torres, even if we have manged to pick up a couple of wins without him.
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Postby Reg » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:34 am

Heskey?  Why not go the whole hog and contact Ian St.John?
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Postby LFC2007 » Wed Nov 05, 2008 1:42 am

Lando_Griffin wrote:I can't help but think that Torres would have had about 4 goals tonight, had he played. The only thing we were missing was movement in the box and a finishing touch.

To say it was a poor performance not only detracts from the lads, but also from a very accomplished Athletico side IMHO.

I'd agree with that, mate.

You'd have fancied him to have taken one of the two chances Keane had first half, and then from there, the game opens up and he may have had a few more.
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