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[whylongball?]

So let's get this straight, shall we?

We took the lead early in the first half and were cruising, then Villa took advantage of Arbeloa's injury to score the equalizer. 2 minutes later, then score a flukey deflected goal to take the lead.

We then score through Crouch, and equalize.

And it's RAFA'S fault we didn't win?

Ok then - keep smoking that sh*t, peeps...

Before they equalised. Villa was pressing all over and we were making all kind of errors. Kewell ran out of steam, Kuyt offered nothing defensively and offensively. I was saying to myself its time to change and do it quick. It was around 55th min. It took rafa more than 10 mins to make a change but it was too late.
Now i'm not saying its all Rafa's fault. players have to share the shi.t as well. But from the dugout, its quite clear to see continuous pressure would lead to the goal.
Its up to you to decide whose fault it is.
Its always hard to admit mistake when it comes down to you or your thought (this is in general and am not referring to you Lando)

Most teams have a period of pressure - we're adept at soaking it up and going on a counter-attack.

I maintain that had Arbeloa not been injured (Rafa had already started the process of getting Skrtel warmed up), then we wouldn't have conceded that goal.

And the other was just a fluke.

you could be right
I however think that if you keep on chasing after the ball, you would be tired(professional or not) and that affects your concentration. This is from my own experience btw.
True we could absorb their attack but it hurt us in other way. This is not they way Rafa would want to team to play from my knowledge. Rafa always wants the team to keep possession but at times it was given  away so quickly and cheaply for some too direct play.
Pressure on and off the field seems to affect everyone.

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[Lando_Griffin]

So let's get this straight, shall we?

We took the lead early in the first half and were cruising, then Villa took advantage of Arbeloa's injury to score the equalizer. 2 minutes later, then score a flukey deflected goal to take the lead.

We then score through Crouch, and equalize.

And it's RAFA'S fault we didn't win?

Ok then - keep smoking that sh*t, peeps...

Before they equalised. Villa was pressing all over and we were making all kind of errors. Kewell ran out of steam, Kuyt offered nothing defensively and offensively. I was saying to myself its time to change and do it quick. It was around 55th min. It took rafa more than 10 mins to make a change but it was too late.
Now i'm not saying its all Rafa's fault. players have to share the shi.t as well. But from the dugout, its quite clear to see continuous pressure would lead to the goal.
Its up to you to decide whose fault it is.
Its always hard to admit mistake when it comes down to you or your thought (this is in general and am not referring to you Lando)

Most teams have a period of pressure - we're adept at soaking it up and going on a counter-attack.

I maintain that had Arbeloa not been injured (Rafa had already started the process of getting Skrtel warmed up), then we wouldn't have conceded that goal.

And the other was just a fluke.

you could be right
I however think that if you keep on chasing after the ball, you would be tired(professional or not) and that affects your concentration. This is from my own experience btw.
True we could absorb their attack but it hurt us in other way. This is not they way Rafa would want to team to play from my knowledge. Rafa always wants the team to keep possession but at times it was given  away so quickly and cheaply for some too direct play.
Pressure on and off the field seems to affect everyone.

Very true.

[Toffeehater]

Abolutely gutted by the result , i think that to draw 2-2 at home , whr we shud be taking maximum points is really poor , but villa are no pusherovers. I'd be like some of u here and i will be happy to see the crocuh and torres partnership , give it a chance  , play them for abt 5 games together , our 4th place spot now hangs in jeopardy and to make it worse the bitters have it , this is really a week

[Number 9]

Well we can erase the biggest part of this error easily!Dont play Kuyt again...No matter where the man plays he is bad,yes hes on the wing,in the middle and up top oh yeah hes everywhere...the problem is he has the ball control of a one legged kangaroo and the footballing brain of a snail with alzheimers!

The man is a fuc.king disgrace and if Rafa does not admit this soon he needs shot!
Dirk Kuyt is an awful awful footballer,there are better strikers with more ability playing in the bottom 3clubs than this waste of space!

I cant believe he gets minutes on the park!

[club_Levis]

It all comes down to lack of funds.  I bet we would not be much higher in the league with Fergie, Wenger, or Grant managing this group of players.  We simply need better quality players in the wide positions.

I agree, but we need quality players in ALL positions!....kuyt, voronin, not good enough...benayoun, sissoko, kewell not good enough....risse, aurello not good enough...all these players need to be shipped out and quality ones brought in.

The buck stop at the manager's door though.Most of the useless players you mentioned were signed by Rafa himself and he is still persisting with then e.g Kuyt when it has been clear for a long time they are not good enough.In a nutshell the Yanks are to blame, The players too but even more the manager!!! for the mess the team is currently in.

[kazza]

I think 3-0. There are things going on behind the scene that will motivate the players (well I hope so anyway).

I hope so Kazza, but I think there is a greater chance of the team being pi$$ed off by all the cr@p thats going on.

I will be my normal glass half empty self and say we will struggle to break them down, unless we get an early goal and thn we will kill them...

So its either 0 - 0 or 3 - 0 for me

It should have been 3-0 but for couple of freak events.

Gutted 

[ruskiy playmaker]

It all comes down to lack of funds.  I bet we would not be much higher in the league with Fergie, Wenger, or Grant managing this group of players.  We simply need better quality players in the wide positions.

I agree, but we need quality players in ALL positions!....kuyt, voronin, not good enough...benayoun, sissoko, kewell not good enough....risse, aurello not good enough...all these players need to be shipped out and quality ones brought in.

The buck stop at the manager's door though.Most of the useless players you mentioned were signed by Rafa himself and he is still persisting with then e.g Kuyt when it has been clear for a long time they are not good enough.In a nutshell the Yanks are to blame, The players too but even more the manager!!! for the mess the team is currently in.

I also disagree with the type of strikers that Rafa buys, but when it comes to the wide positions Rafa knows his stuff.  He wanted the likes of Simao, Joaquin, Alves and Malouda at the club but we couldn't get them because of the lack of funds.  Because of our negotiators the deals fell through and we had to settle for the likes of Pennant, Gonzalez and Benayoun.  Just imagine where we'd be right now if we had players like Alves and Joaquin in the team.

Reina
Alves,Carra,Agger,Aurelio
Joaquin,Gerrard,Alonso,Malouda
Crouch,Torres

That would be one scary team!

[puroresu]

So it aint Rafa's fault.  Well who do we hold responsible for the poor league form then?  We are 14 off the top and once again out of the title race early.  It may not have been Rafa'sfault last night but its not just about last night.  Its about how the season has gone and once again when it comes to the league its been failure.

[Ciggy]

Im gutted got a stinking hang over, sorry if I offended any one last night all this sh!t is really getting to me.

I will ask again why didnt Rafa bring on Crouch & babel sooner?

I can blame the yanks for loads of things but I cant blame them as to why Rafa didnt make the subs Kewell was cr@p and needed replacing at half time.

Oh well we will just have to win the CL again and steal the bitters thunder.

[Ciggy]

This is a local shop for local people. There's nothing for you here.

Once Tesco's take you over you will be able to say this with feeling 

Is that Bill Kenright from his Corrie days

[ruskiy playmaker]

So it aint Rafa's fault.  Well who do we hold responsible for the poor league form then?  We are 14 off the top and once again out of the title race early.  It may not have been Rafa'sfault last night but its not just about last night.  Its about how the season has gone and once again when it comes to the league its been failure.

Haven't you been paying attention to what's been going on.  It's the owners fault for starting this by contacting Klinsman and no giving Rafa the funds.  Before this happened we were doing really well in the league, it's not like the team can play well for a long time and then they start playing like all of a sudden.

[bigmick]

So it aint Rafa's fault.  Well who do we hold responsible for the poor league form then?  We are 14 off the top and once again out of the title race early.  It may not have been Rafa'sfault last night but its not just about last night.  Its about how the season has gone and once again when it comes to the league its been failure.

Haven't you been paying attention to what's been going on.  It's the owners fault for starting this by contacting Klinsman and no giving Rafa the funds.  Before this happened we were doing really well in the league, it's not like the team can play well for a long time and then they start playing like all of a sudden.

Try and make your point without being obnoxious mate. So you don't think it's all or even partly Rafa's fault? Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion and equally entitled to explain it to those who do.

I would have thought though that even if you take the line which you appear to, you would at least concede that it understandable that one or two posters are starting to doubt Rafa's performance this season?

There really is no need for rudeness just for the sake of it.

[ruskiy playmaker]

So it aint Rafa's fault.  Well who do we hold responsible for the poor league form then?  We are 14 off the top and once again out of the title race early.  It may not have been Rafa'sfault last night but its not just about last night.  Its about how the season has gone and once again when it comes to the league its been failure.

Haven't you been paying attention to what's been going on.  It's the owners fault for starting this by contacting Klinsman and no giving Rafa the funds.  Before this happened we were doing really well in the league, it's not like the team can play well for a long time and then they start playing like all of a sudden.

Try and make your point without being obnoxious mate. So you don't think it's all or even partly Rafa's fault? Fair enough, you're entitled to your opinion and equally entitled to explain it to those who do.

I would have thought though that even if you take the line which you appear to, you would at least concede that it understandable that one or two posters are starting to doubt Rafa's performance this season?

There really is no need for rudeness just for the sake of it.

Sorry, don't mean to offend anyone, but I'm in a really crappy mood after yesterday.

[bigmick]

Nah you didn't offend me or anyone else mate. It's probably one of those occasions where you can count yourself a bit unlucky for getting pinged. There's been numerous head high over reactions since the game which have gone unnoticed, it's your first foul and the boring old ref wants to have a word in your shell-like  .