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[Fo Dne]

No Babel is worse than people make out. Anyone who says Babel is talanted is either high or skunk or has been playing too much Fifa.   

I disagree Bav,

At least he will run at players and get them facing there own goal, unlike Benayoun.

A right footed player is, however, never going to prosper on the left side. With the best will in the world it just isn't going to happen.

You mean like Pires and Overmars? Right footed left wingers will never work will it...

[lakes10]

ok so i did not post much last night, this was due to not seeing all the game. i have now seen all the game , so i can say.

It was down to Rafa that we looked like a team that has no idea how to play football.

what was it with the team line up last night? we was always going to have loads of time on the ball, yet he put out a team that has defence all over it.
Agge should have started, he is good at moving up field.
Keane is setting in stone that he is a waste of money.
Rafa once again did not do his home work on West ham or a lower team, i am sure he just looks at the prem table and think " ok there are not in the top 4 so i will just send the team out and let them have a run about and we will still win"

how the hell are we top of the prem and playing , just got to wonder how far ahead we would be by now if we was playing good footbal.

sort it out Rafa, we are being found out and soon the 0-0 draws will tun into 0-1 loss.

Sami was one of our best players last night so I don't see what use complaining about Agger on the bench is.

Sami was one of our best players last night but he still did not get a goal.

I would have given Babel a go up front, Keane has just been a joke.

but if you are happy with the wat we are playing then i take it back.

most of it is down to poor planning by Rafa.

i also find it strange that since Sammy got a slap for saying he was not happy with some of the line ups Rafa has sent out we have not won many games, Its also seems it has also come the same time as Sammy has stopped giving the team talks at half time.

(only going by SNN)

[Fo Dne]

Top of the table, challenging, and people are calling for the sack. What the f*ck like.

Challenging after 15 games?

Were we challenging under Houllier after 12 games when we signed Diouf and had 9 wins from 12 with 3 draws?

Challenging...

Thats clutching at straws at best.

[Fo Dne]

Tonyeh - what did you say - "I simply cannot imagine that Chelsea, Utd or even today's Arsenal would have had that much possession and not at least got a goal against the hammers last night"

Well just take a look at the stats for the Chelsea v Newcastle game that was played on 22nd Nov this year - Chelsea had 33 shots and 9 on target - Newcastle had 2 shots and neither were on target. Try convincing me that Newcastle are any better than West Ham - you won't!  Chelsea also let things slip against Arsenal after leading 1-0. Chelsea's home record this season is also not very clever and if it continues it will not win them the league.

If ever there was a time to get behind our team it is now. The BOOING doesn't help. Cheering the team on when they are struggling does! The KOP made more noise about freeing Michael Shields than getting behind the team last night and the BOOS at the end - well shame on them they don't deserve to see the team win anything - THEY ARE NOT TRUE SUPPORTERS !!
It is a very many seasons since Liverpool have been top of the League and I fully appreciate that some of it hasn't been pretty. Surely that would suggest that we can get better? Listening to Ian St.John moaning that the board must give Rafa the funds that he needs in January to secure the title! Rafa has spent virtually the same as Ferguson over the last 4/5 years - circa £26m a year and that takes into account the players he has sold. Rafa has had massive support from the board since he came to Anfield - St.John and a few others need to stop whinging and appreciate what we have got. Rafa through some awful team selection got himself into a right mess during the early stages of last seasons Champions League. If we had gone out during the group stages I think he would only have himself to blame if he had been sacked. He is still learning. Look were we are now in the CL and the title race.Let's do our job and support them and leave them to do theirs. The team are under more pressure than they have been for a very long time - WE CAN HELP!

The difference is Chelsea looked like they were going to win. They created clear cut chance after clear cut chance. We have a couple of half chances. Thats about it.

[Fo Dne]

Stu   

Who gives a fuck what he thinks?

Obviously you do thats why you run off in a huff (I'M OFF, part 23 chapter 18) everytime I disagree with anything you say.

[Number 9]

Some right tools on this board..moan,moan,moan!
Nearly half way through the season,top of the table and in the last 16 of the C/L,aint all that bad is it?

Yes we are not pretty to watch lately,no one can deny that!But its not just about playing sexy football.
Im as frustrated as anyone else at last nights result,but the fact is it happens.There are no excuses though,I dont have a problem with the team rafa put out.It was an attacking line up,but the players just did not produce when they needed to.
There is no doubt there is a lot more in our locker and we can and will play better football.The fact that we look stuck in 1st gear should comfort people,because we will improve.To play the way we have been playing and still be top is fantastic,in fact cause it tells us that Chelsea and UTD are dropping points too.
Chelsea are not the unbeatable team they were under Mourinho,beaten twice at home already,they will drop more points.Fergie has so many attacking minded players that he does'nt know who to play where,they are also dropping points.Arsenal can beat anyone on their day but once a team gets physical the wilt like pansies.

As I said we are nowhere near our best either but we have a good a chance as any.
Calls for sacking the manager are a disgrace,but I suppose that is expected of certain people on here.

Anyway onto Blackburn away....3 points and a few goals with some lovely and dominant football would be just what the doctor ordered!
Hopefully!

[taff]

Could it be that with the surreal situation at the bottom end of the league then most teams are already fighting for survival.  West Ham normally try to play but looked happy with a point, in fact played for it.  Our situation now is we have teams who have relegation in the back of their minds and will defend defend defend.

We need to look at some way of unlocking defences at home and that could be a January signing

[Igor Zidane]

Tonyeh - what did you say - "I simply cannot imagine that Chelsea, Utd or even today's Arsenal would have had that much possession and not at least got a goal against the hammers last night"

Well just take a look at the stats for the Chelsea v Newcastle game that was played on 22nd Nov this year - Chelsea had 33 shots and 9 on target - Newcastle had 2 shots and neither were on target. Try convincing me that Newcastle are any better than West Ham - you won't!  Chelsea also let things slip against Arsenal after leading 1-0. Chelsea's home record this season is also not very clever and if it continues it will not win them the league.

If ever there was a time to get behind our team it is now. The BOOING doesn't help. Cheering the team on when they are struggling does! The KOP made more noise about freeing Michael Shields than getting behind the team last night and the BOOS at the end - well shame on them they don't deserve to see the team win anything - THEY ARE NOT TRUE SUPPORTERS !!
It is a very many seasons since Liverpool have been top of the League and I fully appreciate that some of it hasn't been pretty. Surely that would suggest that we can get better? Listening to Ian St.John moaning that the board must give Rafa the funds that he needs in January to secure the title! Rafa has spent virtually the same as Ferguson over the last 4/5 years - circa £26m a year and that takes into account the players he has sold. Rafa has had massive support from the board since he came to Anfield - St.John and a few others need to stop whinging and appreciate what we have got. Rafa through some awful team selection got himself into a right mess during the early stages of last seasons Champions League. If we had gone out during the group stages I think he would only have himself to blame if he had been sacked. He is still learning. Look were we are now in the CL and the title race.Let's do our job and support them and leave them to do theirs. The team are under more pressure than they have been for a very long time - WE CAN HELP!

The difference is Chelsea looked like they were going to win. They created clear cut chance after clear cut chance. We have a couple of half chances. Thats about it.

There's no difference ,both teams got a point . Stu , your fishing mate , your on a complete wind up . You know your talking and your trying to back it up by talking more sh!te. Give it a rest , your making yourself look reallly silly . Maybe you'll onlly be happy if we don't win the league so your proven right . Sad but true.

[Emerald Red]

Top of the table, challenging, and people are calling for the sack. What the f*ck like.

Challenging after 15 games?

Were we challenging under Houllier after 12 games when we signed Diouf and had 9 wins from 12 with 3 draws?

Challenging...

Thats clutching at straws at best.

Interesting fact number 1:

The team that is usually at the top of the table by Christmas normally goes on to win the title. I'd call that challenging, so yeah.

[Bad Bob]

Sami was one of our best players last night but he still did not get a goal.

Doesn't change the fact that he was easily one of our best players on the pitch so maybe, perhaps complaining like you did earlier that he got a game ahead of Agger was just ever-so-slightly misguided?

See this is the frustration I have with a lot of doom-n-gloomers.  It's not that they're expressing concerns--heaven knows we were poor last night and I've said so from the off--it's what they are expressing concerns about.  Sitting Agger down was not the reason we drew last night.  Nor, I doubt, was it down to who gave the half-time team talk.*  No, I think we drew last night because we have a team that, overall, lacks the creativity to break down obstinate defenses--particularly when the lads are playing scared, as they were last night (fluffing shots right, left and centre, making bad decisions with the ball, etc.).  On top of that, Rafa got the substitutions wrong.  It was a bad night at the office and I hope we learn some lessons from it while we're still in a good position.


*Lakes, your fixation with Sammy Lee seems all out of proportion to me.  I don't doubt he's had a positive influence on the side but you come across like he's some messiah figure who's the real mastermind behind our title challenge so far.  Lemme guess, you thought Pako was the brains behind the operation too?

[Ciggy]

Obviously you do thats why you run off in a huff (I'M OFF, part 23 chapter 18) everytime I disagree with anything you say.

Do you want chips with that?

Im not taking your bait anymore.

Funny how you came back the same day as I did, your just a windup merchant.

[account deleted by request]

Sami was one of our best players last night but he still did not get a goal.

Doesn't change the fact that he was easily one of our best players on the pitch so maybe, perhaps complaining like you did earlier that he got a game ahead of Agger was just ever-so-slightly misguided?

See this is the frustration I have with a lot of doom-n-gloomers.  It's not that they're expressing concerns--heaven knows we were poor last night and I've said so from the off--it's what they are expressing concerns about.  Sitting Agger down was not the reason we drew last night.  Nor, I doubt, was it down to who gave the half-time team talk.*  No, I think we drew last night because we have a team that, overall, lacks the creativity to break down obstinate defenses--particularly when the lads are playing scared, as they were last night (fluffing shots right, left and centre, making bad decisions with the ball, etc.).  On top of that, Rafa got the substitutions wrong.  It was a bad night at the office and I hope we learn some lessons from it while we're still in a good position.


*Lakes, your fixation with Sammy Lee seems all out of proportion to me.  I don't doubt he's had a positive influence on the side but you come across like he's some messiah figure who's the real mastermind behind our title challenge so far.  Lemme guess, you thought Pako was the brains behind the operation too?

Yeah, but Pako was! Or at least he had the brains to cast doubt on the signing of Babel 

If we are TOTALLY HONEST, we have had a lot of games this season that could have gone either way, and we could just as easily drawn or lost them as won them. You can't keep playing with fire without getting burned, and we have been badly scorched in the last couple of weeks.

We have dominated possession, but without players who can finish we were always likely to come unstuck sooner or later. We need to not only start creating more chances but taking them, and without Torres and with Gerrard playing deeper we just don't have ANYONE.

It doesn't matter if you play 4-4-2 or 4-2-4 if the strikers can't score. While Torres is out I think Gerrard has to play second striker, as he's the only player we can rely on to get a few goals.

[NANNY RED]

Rafa has a big variants book then does he, has he lost the key to it or something, how often does his substitutions produce a goal, how often does he change tactics in the middle of a game? Am I missing something here apart form a team capable of getting motivated by their manager and therefore able to score goals against fecking West Ham and Fulham at home!!
This is clearly just a poor joke now, I personally hope Rafa doesn't get the contract extension, he doesn't deserve it after the last few matches, in fact this season we have scraped a lot of narrow wins but haven't once truly controlled a match, we are arguably worse than the second half of last season, it's just that the other top teams are also wobbly at the moment but that won't last for ever.

Quality post this, but not in a good way. Benitez' statistics of substitutions making an impact in a game have been better than any manager in the league over the past 4 years. There was a very insightful thread about this over at RAWK with plenty of stats for all you stats whores and doubters. Do a bit of research before you start spouting off.

As for the game, I'm seriously disappointed with us not making up more ground than what we should be. Our confidence just seems a bit low at the minute for some reason. We're perhaps slightly just lacking a player, bar Torres of course, of being good enough to eventually win the title this season, but who knows. If we get to January and we're still top of the table, who could ask for more than that?

Oh, we all can have a go at the players and even the manager, but people seem to omit the fact that the fans inside Anfield have been f*cking shyte, lets be honest about it. There's some quality whoppers going to the game, and it's a disgrace that 1000 or so West Ham fans out sang everyone inside Anfield tonight. The players need to show passion, aye, but so do you w@nkers inside the ground. Where the f*ck has the atmosphere gone to that we're meant to be so famous for? Sort it f*cking out!

Try going to the game yourself you uptight arrogant peice of shite and spending thousands of pounds a year of your own money on traveling to games before you slag off the people that are going and contribute to the club.

Its not the fans that are producing rubbish lad. Its the team, the fans have all to shout about and even the usual noisey lads are finding it all a bit tedious under the current regime at times.

You are quite simply a grade "a" bellend.

Sorry Stu but hes got a point theres to many idiots going to Anfield at the mo thats why i prefer going to away games . OK we played atrocious but as far as booing the team goes its disgraceful imo. An it sickens me. Youve got supposed fans there an all they seem to do is take photos on there phone, fans asking whos that on the right wing its a joke, As far as im concerned youve got some right at the home games now, Tell me when over the years have you ever heard us boo our team. Or the majority of the fans gettin on players backs, Were supposed to be the twelvth man there ,But its not looking like that for a while now

We went top of the league last night an some of our supporters boo . Shocking

Im putting me own reply up here what i posted this morning. Because that post ciggy put up from that lad Swoop is just how i feel only he says it better than me.

[lakes10]

Sami was one of our best players last night but he still did not get a goal.

Doesn't change the fact that he was easily one of our best players on the pitch so maybe, perhaps complaining like you did earlier that he got a game ahead of Agger was just ever-so-slightly misguided?

See this is the frustration I have with a lot of doom-n-gloomers.  It's not that they're expressing concerns--heaven knows we were poor last night and I've said so from the off--it's what they are expressing concerns about.  Sitting Agger down was not the reason we drew last night.  Nor, I doubt, was it down to who gave the half-time team talk.*  No, I think we drew last night because we have a team that, overall, lacks the creativity to break down obstinate defenses--particularly when the lads are playing scared, as they were last night (fluffing shots right, left and centre, making bad decisions with the ball, etc.).  On top of that, Rafa got the substitutions wrong.  It was a bad night at the office and I hope we learn some lessons from it while we're still in a good position.


*Lakes, your fixation with Sammy Lee seems all out of proportion to me.  I don't doubt he's had a positive influence on the side but you come across like he's some messiah figure who's the real mastermind behind our title challenge so far.  Lemme guess, you thought Pako was the brains behind the operation too?

hey lets not get started on the Pako thing again 

[Madmax]

Anyway onto Blackburn away....3 points and a few goals with some lovely and dominant football would be just what the doctor ordered!
Hopefully!

Yes hopefully indeed. If we do lose to blackburn i think there will be many suicides here. 

Im annoyed and frustrated as any other co fan. Lets just hope we get our act together. As i said before i still cant see much goals comming from us without torres. Damn the spanish training. 
January will be quite interesting to see what happens. Just hope rafa uses that time to grab a GOOD player. We must win our next few games. If chelshitski and mannure win thier next few match (which i feel they will) and we continue to slump then for defos in january will be 3rd atleast.