Liverpool FC Forum

[Madmax]

poor and pathetic. Thats the third time now this season that we have had a chance to extend the lead but like always we feck it up. To be honest we have luckily won alot of our games this season. Its so wierd we are first bet yet it feels so shyte. Its clear without torres we are shyte. I really dont know what will hapen from now until he returns. All i could say is will win a few here and there draw many and lose some. For real a new striker is needed. Heskey for defos. Atleast he will stay injury free. This is our best chance to go for the title and look at the way we are playing. No title this year no contract for uncle benny.

[Rush Job]

A win agaist Blackburn (which we`ll get) and Hull and things will look better, we was always going to have a blip now hopefully we`ve had it, and we are still top.
The mancs having to go to Japan is just the ticket, we need to be ahead of them when they leave and win every game while their away. I think its still a case of finishing above them.

Look I love your optimism but where are the goals going to come from, on paper Fulham and West Ham should have been easy 3-point games. What worries me is that we have gone from a team which created chances but didn't convert them to a team which can't create good chances against Fulham and West Ham. That scares me.

So you dont think we`ll score again this season?
We had a dry spell last season and the season before that and the season before that, difference is we are usually out of it by the time we turn it around.
Luckly we are away next and if our away form stays true to form we will win.
TBH mate I dont know what I said that was so optimistic?
What that I think we`ll beat Blackburn and Hull?
Not that optimistic is it?

[Fo Dne]

Not in the slightest bit suprised by the result or performance.

This season is turning out to be a very very strange one indeed. Liverpool are top without playing well consistently (infact only in a handful of games) and Everton are also in a decent position (for them) without also playing well. The standard of the league this season has definately taken a downturn with Chelsea seeming a less formidable side, Arsenal crumbling against any slightly physical side and United slightly weakened by replacing Tevez with Berbatov.

What we have to look at though is United have played all of last seasons top ten sides away from home. They don't have to go anywhere of any real note from now on in.

Make no mistake, with this squad of players we will have done well to finish 3rd this season which is where i see us ending up.

Benitez should go now and give us a chance to build for next season. We need to line up a replacement now and it needs to be someone who knows and understands the club otherwise Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carraghers best years will pass us by and we'll have no-one to replace them with.

[Lando_Griffin]

Not in the slightest bit suprised by the result or performance.

This season is turning out to be a very very strange one indeed. Liverpool are top without playing well consistently (infact only in a handful of games) and Everton are also in a decent position (for them) without also playing well. The standard of the league this season has definately taken a downturn with Chelsea seeming a less formidable side, Arsenal crumbling against any slightly physical side and United slightly weakened by replacing Tevez with Berbatov.

What we have to look at though is United have played all of last seasons top ten sides away from home. They don't have to go anywhere of any real note from now on in.

Make no mistake, with this squad of players we will have done well to finish 3rd this season which is where i see us ending up.

Benitez should go now and give us a chance to build for next season. We need to line up a replacement now and it needs to be someone who knows and understands the club otherwise Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carraghers best years will pass us by and we'll have no-one to replace them with.

So who would you put in his place, then?

[Emerald Red]

ok. i didnt watch the match but...in response to Em's comments about the booing......so what? top teams in Spain and Italy have to bear with booing for silly reasons. Barca doesnt win 2 games in a row boos start.

So what? Says it all, really. We're not Barca fans by the way. Stop comparing apples to oranges.

As for you Fo, by your past posts, you're the type of person who'd gladly see us lose just to say "I told you so" to prove a point. You were probably no doubt in those stands booing with the rest of em. For a team playing so rubbish, we're not doing half bad at the top of the table.

[Fo Dne]

Not in the slightest bit suprised by the result or performance.

This season is turning out to be a very very strange one indeed. Liverpool are top without playing well consistently (infact only in a handful of games) and Everton are also in a decent position (for them) without also playing well. The standard of the league this season has definately taken a downturn with Chelsea seeming a less formidable side, Arsenal crumbling against any slightly physical side and United slightly weakened by replacing Tevez with Berbatov.

What we have to look at though is United have played all of last seasons top ten sides away from home. They don't have to go anywhere of any real note from now on in.

Make no mistake, with this squad of players we will have done well to finish 3rd this season which is where i see us ending up.

Benitez should go now and give us a chance to build for next season. We need to line up a replacement now and it needs to be someone who knows and understands the club otherwise Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carraghers best years will pass us by and we'll have no-one to replace them with.

So who would you put in his place, then?

Kenny Dalglish.

Some who knows what they are doing and understands the club. Someone who wouldn't make stupid decisions and substitutions. Someone who knows the club inside out and loves the club. Someone who understands the game and would play our best players and play them in there natural positions.

Dalglish would come back if the offer was right. I'm sure of that. He would couldn't refuse to work with players like Gerrard and Torres.

I am absoloutely sick of Benitez to be honest and I'm extremely frustrated in him wasting our time and money. He built an excellent side then didn't know how to take it forward. It looks like he's now at the same stage again and has stagnated. This club will never win the league with him in charge so now is a good time to change before the new manager has to come in and replace Gerrard and Carragher, because whoever has to that is going to struggle big time. Of that I absoloutely gaurantee you!!!

[Rush Job]

Benitez should go now and give us a chance to build for next season. We need to line up a replacement now and it needs to be someone who knows and understands the club otherwise Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carraghers best years will pass us by and we'll have no-one to replace them with.

I was with ya right up to there.
We are on top of the league, without playing our best stuff and with out a fit/in-form Torres.
Would you right this season off? Its not even as if we could give a new manager any money.
I dont think Rafa can do right by some people, even if we were 6 points clear i`m sure you would still feel the same.
Which is fine if thats the way you feel but sacking a manager when he`s doing the exact thing we have all been asking wouldnt be very fair.

[maypaxvobiscum]

ok. i didnt watch the match but...in response to Em's comments about the booing......so what? top teams in Spain and Italy have to bear with booing for silly reasons. Barca doesnt win 2 games in a row boos start.

So what? Says it all, really. We're not Barca fans by the way. Stop comparing apples to oranges.

As for you Fo, by your past posts, you're the type of person who'd gladly see us lose just to say "I told you so" to prove a point. You were probably no doubt in those stands booing with the rest of em. For a team playing so rubbish, we're not doing half bad at the top of the table.

its part of the game. the difference between the atmosphere there and here is that there, they dont have a keyboard to vent their disgust.

[Rush Job]

Kenny Dalglish.

Bloody hell mate, why not just dig up Shanks.

[Emerald Red]

this guy is calling match going liverpool fans w4nkers time and again, what on earth is going on here mods?

Unless you were one of the boo boys?

i think you'll find my first post was one of optimism, i just accidently came across your spiteful vile. no i'm no boo boy, but your a tube.

Players getting boo'd by knobs in the crowd after a player is subbed, and even after the game earlier when the final whistle went. Anfield being like a morgue. That's not spiteful, that's a cold fact, man. Apologies if you took offense, but hey, it's nothing personal.

the player didnt get boo'd, the boo was for the decision to bring off the wrong player.

As I said, it didn't matter who he took off, both were as poor as the other. They had no impact and Lucas out of the two is probably the more direct player, where as Mash is a holder. We needed to score, so deduce from that what you will as it turned out that it didn't matter in the end. The boo's were ridiculous, and not since the terrible times in the Evans and Souness era have I heard it like that. At least back then they were somewhat justified, but we were top of the table a week ago when the boos rang down. Why do it at all?

[Fo Dne]

ok. i didnt watch the match but...in response to Em's comments about the booing......so what? top teams in Spain and Italy have to bear with booing for silly reasons. Barca doesnt win 2 games in a row boos start.

So what? Says it all, really. We're not Barca fans by the way. Stop comparing apples to oranges.

As for you Fo, by your past posts, you're the type of person who'd gladly see us lose just to say "I told you so" to prove a point. You were probably no doubt in those stands booing with the rest of em. For a team playing so rubbish, we're not doing half bad at the top of the table.

Yes lad.

I want us to lose so I can say I told you so.

Thats exactly what I want.

Thats what I've always wanted.

I've always wanted Liverpool to fail just so I can say "I told you so".

Its not frustration because I know whats going to happen. Its not frustration because I can see the quality in some area's that is not being taken advantage of and its definately not frustration at a manager spending £120,000,000 to take us a step backwards. Its also nothing to do with the fact that I know we don't have enough quality and am sick of everyone building up false hope when its crystal clear we aren't upto it.

Its quite simply just because I want us to lose so I can say "I told you so".

What a great post. Now drop dead ya little maggot.

[LiverpoolMadman]

We drop points again !! Hope next match Rafa stop playing 5 in the midfield and play Babel and Ngog together upfront.

[Fo Dne]

As I said, it didn't matter who he took off, both were as poor as the other. They had no impact and Lucas out of the two is probably the more direct player, where as Mash is a holder. We needed to score, so deduce from that what you will as it turned out that it didn't matter in the end. The boo's were ridiculous, and not since the terrible times in the Evans and Souness era have I heard it like that. At least back then they were somewhat justified, but we were top of the table a week ago when the boos rang down. Why do it at all?

Are you really that stupid lad that you believe what you're saying?

It doesn't matter that he took of Mascherano or Lucas? off ya tool. I'm not Mascherano's biggest fan by a long shot lad, I believe the lads vastly overated but to sit there and say that it doesn't matter that he was taken off and Lucas was left on the pitch doesn't matter is one of the most stupid things you could have said. Mind you, coming from you that doesn't suprise me as whatever spin "in Rafa we trust" puts on it you'll believe no doubt.

Mascherano at 1% is better than Lucas at 100%. FACT!!! Spearing is better than Lucas. Plessis (even tho he's ) is better than Lucas. What a moron you are lad, seriously!

[bigmick]

Talk of replacing the manager is very premature, as is the insinuation that we shot ourselves irretrieveably in the foot tonight. It's a crying shame that we didn't take our chance, but it was a perfect situation in that it was our first taste of real, proper pressure without an awful outcome if we only drew. We'll be under pressure again before the seasons end and we'll have a better idea of how to handle it.

There are a number of lessons we could learn, and they are in no particular order:

Under pressure, in "must win" matches, you absolutely MUST play as close as possible to your best team available. The players should be familiar with both each other and the positions which they find themselves in. Benayoun, although he did Ok was the incorrect selection for right midfield IMHO, it should have been Kuyt. Keane should have played up top on his jack, Masherano should have played and Gerrard should have been free in behind the Irishman.

I actually think Masherano would have made a difference tonight, his tigerish tackling would have meant we were able to exert pressure almost non-stop from minute one. As it was, with some clever interplay and Bellamy showing just why many of us thought he was a much better player than ever given credit for, West Ham were able to release the stranglehold and could acxtually have won it.

If we are going to play Dossena (and while Aurelio's injured we are going to) then we must work on the partnership between him and Riera. I actually thought the Italian was as likely as anyone to open the game up, but too often Rier'a reluctance to track inside (I thought it was his poorest game in a red shirt) blocked off Dossena's path. Dossena bombs on much more than Aurelio, and we really should look at at least trying to utilise his biggest asset.

We should be prepared to go more gung-ho earlier IMHO. Taking off keane and bringing on N'Gog isn't going gung-ho, it's weakening us from an attacking sense. Replacing Benayoun with Masherano and pushing Gerrard to the right is attacking, slinging Hyppia up top and going route one for the last 10 is attacking. Not having an El Zahr on the bench was silly, not having a Luis Garcia in the squad is criminal.

We need I think to adjust during the match more quickly I think. West Ham played very well, and defended very narrow at every opportunity. Change it up then, get Gerrard wide right, get Dossena bombing, but don't just stick to plan A when it ain't working.

Slow down FFS. Take time with set plays, take it easy with passing, don't shoot from 40 yards out, the goal will come.

Next time we'll be better, but all is by no means lost. We are still where everyone would like to be, but out of the fog the Mancs are unsurprisingly emerging as potential Champions.

[Emerald Red]

Kenny Dalglish.

What like he did at Celtic? Different time, different era. Dalglish won us the title and FA cup off the back of three great managers and the sides they built. Even in those days, Dalglish cracked under the pressure, so imagine what he'd be like today, older and under even more pressure to build a team that's failed to win a title in 19 years, not to mention most things have changed since he was in charge, down to player mentality with all the money, distractions etc etc. You're sounding like the disgruntled, clueless Newcastle supporters when they cried for Keegan to come back. Look what happened there. King Kev, eh?