Liverpool FC Forum

[gato_busta]

I think the formation should be 4-5-1:

                                      Reina
                     Finnan Carragher Hyypia Riise
                                 Masch  Xabi
                                     Gerrard
                         Benayoun        Babel
                                Torres/Crouch

Hope Torres is available, if not I think Crouch could do a good job up front with Babel and Benayoun palying on the wings and even alternating into a 4-3-3 formation while going into attack.

[Wilhelmsson]

You know what? I'm not even going to bother explaining it for you again. If you can't grasp this ridiculously easy concept, then I pity you.

Get your dad to read it, then ask him to explain what the grown ups are talking about.

You haven’t explained anything; all you have done is put down a list to a website which has calculated accurately or inaccurately the amount spent by numerous managers and clubs.

You have not given a clear indication about what it is you are trying to explain, so what are you trying to explain? If you are trying to suggest that Wenger has spent money, then you really didn’t need to go to such depths.

Every fan of the game knows Wenger has spent money, £12m for Wiltord, £8m for Francis Jeffers, £11m for Henry and £17m on Reyes clarifies this.

If you are trying to use the figures to rubbish Wenger’s status as a fine manager, then such an approach is void. Firstly most managers have spent money and secondly, not all managers are able to combine free, flowing, entertaining football with winning football.

[Lando_Griffin]

1997-1998

PLAYER       FROM        FEE
Wreh        Monaco      £300,000
Grondin     St Etinne   £500,000

PLAYER       TO          FEE
Shaw        Millwall    £250,000
Selley      Fulham      £500,000



Net: -£50,000

1998-1999

Code:
PLAYER       FROM         FEE
Ljungberg    Halmstads   £3,000,000
Pennant      Notts Co    £2,000,000
Kanu         Inter       £4,500,000
Diawara      Bordeaux    £2,500,000
Luzhny       Dynamo Kiev £1,800,000

PLAYER       TO          FEE
Wright       West Ham    £500,000
Rankin       Bradford    £1,300,000
Day          Bournemouth £20,000
Huck         Bournemouth £50,000
Diawarra     Marseille   £3,000,000



Net: -£8.93M

1999-2000

Code:
PLAYER       FROM          FEE
Malz         1860 Munich  £650,000
Sylvinho     Corinthians  £4,000,000
Suker        Real Madrid  £500,000
Henry        Juventus     £10,500,000
Lauren       Mallorca     £7,200,000


PLAYER       TO            FEE
Bould        Sunderland   £500,000
Crowe        Portsmouth   £1,000,000
Livermore    Millwall     £30,000
Anelka       Real Madrid  £23,000,000
Boa Morte    Southampton  £500,000
S Hughes     Everton      £3,000,000
Black        Cr Palace    £500,000
Gray         Cr Palace    £500,000



Net = +£6.18M

2000-2001

Code:
PLAYER       FROM          FEE
Pires        Marseille    £6,000,000
Wiltord      Bordeaux     £13,000,000
Stepanovs    Skonto Riga  £1,000,000
Danilevicius Lausanne Spo £1,000,000
Edu          Corinthians  £6,000,000
Jeffers      Everton      £8,000,000


PLAYER       TO            FEE
Bothroyd     Coventry     £1,000,000
Overmans     Barcelona    £25,000,000
Petit        Barcelona    £5,000,000
McGovern     Norwich      £50,000
Weston       Cardiff      £300,000
Vernazza     Watford      £350,000



Net = -£3.3M

2001-2002

Code:
PLAYER       FROM          FEE
Van Bronckh. Rangers      £8,500,000
Wright       Ipswitch     £6,000,000
Tavlaridis   Iraklis Sal  £600,000
Touré        ASEC Abid.   £150,000


PLAYER       TO            FEE
Malz         Kaiserslau.  £580,000
Demel        Dortmund     £194,000
Sylvinho     Celta Vigo   £3,500,000



Net = -£10.98M

2002-2003

Code:
PLAYER       FROM          FEE
Cygan        Lille        £2,100,000
Gilberto     Alt Mineiro  £4,500,000


PLAYER       TO            FEE
Manninger    Espanyol     £960,000
Wright       Everton      £3,500,000
Upson        Birmingham   £1,000,000



Net = -£1.14M

2003-2004

Code:
PLAYER       FROM          FEE
Senderos     Servette     £2,500,000
Reyes        Seville      £10,500,000
Van Persie   Feyenoord    £2,750,000


PLAYER       TO            FEE
Thomas       Charlton     £100,000



Net = -£15.65M

2004-2005

Code:
PLAYER       FROM          FEE
Eboue        Bevern       £1,000,000


PLAYER       TO            FEE
Jeffers      Charlton     £2,600,000



Net = +£1.6M

2005-2006

Code:
PLAYER       FROM          FEE
Mannone      Atalanta     £350,000
Diaby        Auxerre      £2,000,000
Adebayor     Monaco       £7,000,000
Walcott      Southampton  £5,000,000*
Rosicky      Dortmund     £6,800,000


PLAYER       TO            FEE
Veiria       Juventus     £13,700,000



Net = -£7.45M

2006-2007

Code:
PLAYER       FROM          FEE
Song         Bastia       £1,000,000
Denilson     Sao Paulo    £3,400,000


PLAYER       TO            FEE
Cygan        Villareal    £2,000,000
Stokes       Sunderland   £2,000,000
Lauren       Portsmouth   £500,000
Larsson      Birmingham   £1,000,000
Muamba       Birmingham   £4,000,000
Aliadiere    Middlesbr.   £1,500,000
Henry        Barcelona    £16,100,000



Net = +£22.7M

The defence fkn rests

Actual record:

Arsenal's transfers in 1996/1997

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Remi Garde Strasbourg Free 14-08-1996
Patrick Vieira Milan £ 3500000 14-08-1996
Nicolas Anelka Paris St-G. £ 500000 22-02-1997
Matthew Upson Luton £ 2000000 10-05-1997
Alex Manninger Graz AK £ 500000 03-06-1997
Emmanuel Petit Monaco £ 2500000 04-06-1997
Gilles Grimandi Monaco £ 2500000 04-06-1997
Luis Boa Morte Sporting Lisbon £ 1750000 14-06-1997
Alberto Mendez FC Feucht Unknown 17-06-1997
Marc Overmars Ajax £ 7000000 17-06-1997
Lee Canoville Millwall Signed 09-07-1997
Total: £ 20,250,000.

Out:

Richard Goddard Brentford Free 01-08-1996
Ben Smith Reading Signed 01-08-1996
Kevin Dennis Brentford Free 01-08-1996
Roy O'Brien Wigan Signed 12-08-1996
Paul Dickov Man City £ 1000000 23-08-1996
Eddie McGoldrick Man City £ 300000 25-10-1996
David Hillier Portsmouth £ 250000 04-11-1996
Paul Read Wycombe £ 35000 17-01-1997
Andy Linighan C Palace £ 110000 22-01-1997
John Hartson West Ham £ 3300000 14-02-1997
Matthew Rose QPR £ 500000 20-05-1997
Paul Merson Middlesbro £ 4500000 07-07-1997
Lee Harper QPR £ 125000 09-07-1997
Total: £ 10120000

Net: £10,130,000.



Arsenal's transfers in 1997/1998

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Christopher Wreh Monaco £ 300000 07-08-1997
David Grondin St Etienne £ 500000 19-06-1998
Total: £ 800000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Paul Shaw Millwall £ 250000 15-09-1997
Ian Selley Fulham £ 500000 17-10-1997
Glenn Helder NAC Breda Nominal 24-10-1997
Jehad Muntasser Bristol C Free 30-01-1998
Valur Gislason Stromsgodset Unknown 28-02-1998
Vince Bartram Gillingham Signed 20-03-1998
Peter Clark Carlisle Free 01-04-1998
Richard Hughes Bournemouth Free 01-07-1998
Total: £ 750000

Net: £50,000.



Arsenal's transfers in 1998/1999

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Fredrik Ljungberg Halmstads £ 3000000 12-09-1998
Eric Chukwunyelu Obinna Bahia Signed 10-11-1998
William Huck Monaco Free 18-11-1998
Jermaine Pennant Notts Co £ 2000000 08-01-1999
Nwankwo Kanu Inter £ 4500000 15-01-1999
Kaba Diawara Bordeaux £ 2500000 29-01-1999
Oleg Luzhny Dynamo Kiev £ 1800000 28-05-1999
Total: £ 13800000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Ian Wright West Ham £ 500000 13-07-1998
Isaiah Rankin Bradford £ 1300000 13-08-1998
Jamie Day Bournemouth £ 20000 03-03-1999
William Huck Bournemouth £ 50000 25-03-1999
Kaba Diawara Marseille £ 3000000 01-06-1999
Total: £ 4870000

Net: £8,930,000.



Arsenal's transfers in 1999/2000

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Stefan Malz 1860 Munich £ 650000 24-06-1999
Sylvinho Corinthians (Old) £ 4000000 30-06-1999
Davor Suker Real Madrid £ 500000 02-08-1999
Thierry Henry Juventus £ 10500000 03-08-1999
Niccolo Galli Fiorentina 06-08-1999
Lauren Mallorca £ 7200000 30-05-2000
Total: £ 22850000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Steve Bould Sunderland £ 500000 02-07-1999
Jason Crowe Portsmouth £ 1000000 07-07-1999
Michael Black Tranmere Free 07-07-1999
Nicolas Anelka Real Madrid £ 23000000 02-08-1999
Dave Livermore Millwall £ 30000 02-08-1999
Luis Boa Morte Southampton £ 500000 25-08-1999
Omer Riza West Ham Nominal 02-12-1999
Stephen Hughes Everton £ 3000000 07-03-2000
Narada Bernard Bournemouth Free 07-06-2000
Nigel Winterburn West Ham Signed 22-06-2000
Davor Suker West Ham Free 28-06-2000
Tommy Black C Palace £ 500000 01-07-2000
Julian Gray C Palace £ 500000 01-07-2000
Total: £ 29030000

Net: -£6,180,000.


Arsenal's transfers in 2000/2001

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Robert Pires Marseille £ 6000000 03-07-2000
Sebastian Svard FC Copenhagen Nominal 01-08-2000
Moritz Volz Schalke Signed 01-08-2000
Guy Demel Nimes Free 07-08-2000
Sylvain Wiltord Bordeaux £ 13000000 26-08-2000
Igor Stepanovs Skonto Riga £ 1000000 04-09-2000
Tomas Danilevicius Lausanne Sports £ 1000000 13-12-2000
Edu Corinthians £ 6000000 16-01-2001
Juan Sao Paulo Signed 01-05-2001
Francis Jeffers Everton £ 8000000 14-06-2001
Total: £ 35000000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Jay Bothroyd Coventry £ 1000000 13-07-2000
Marc Overmars Barcelona £ 25000000 28-07-2000
Emmanuel Petit Barcelona £ 5000000 28-07-2000
Brian McGovern Norwich £ 50000 21-08-2000
Rhys Weston Cardiff £ 300000 17-11-2000
Paolo Vernazza Watford £ 350000 14-12-2000
Christopher Wreh Al-Hilal Signed 15-12-2000
James Harper Reading Signed 28-02-2001
Nelson Vivas Inter Free 12-06-2001
Total: £ 31700000

Net: £3,330,000



Arsenal's transfers in 2001/2002

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Giovanni Van Bronckhorst Rangers £ 8500000 19-06-2001
Sol Campbell Tottenham Free 03-07-2001
Richard Wright Ipswich £ 6000000 05-07-2001
Efstathios Tavlaridis Iraklis Salonika £ 600000 19-09-2001
Kolo Toure ASEC Abidjan £ 150000 14-02-2002
Total: £ 15250000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Stefan Malz Kaiserslautern £ 580000 24-06-2001
Guy Demel B. Dortmund £ 194000 25-07-2001
Guillaume Norbert Lorient Free 25-07-2001
Sylvinho Celta Vigo £ 3500000 31-08-2001
Greg Lincoln Stevenage Signed 01-09-2001
Total: £ 4274000

Net: £10,976,000.


Arsenal's transfers in 2002/2003

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Pascal Cygan Lille £ 2100000 11-07-2002
Gilberto Silva Atl. Mineiro £ 4500000 07-08-2002
Rami Shaaban Djurgaardens Signed 30-08-2002
Guillaume Warmuz Lens Signed 31-01-2003
Total: £ 6600000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Alex Manninger Espanyol £ 960000 04-07-2002
Rohan Ricketts Tottenham Free 13-07-2002
Richard Wright Everton £ 3500000 24-07-2002
Jo Kuffour Torquay Free 18-10-2002
Steven Sidwell Reading Signed 20-01-2003
Matthew Upson Birmingham £ 1000000 22-01-2003
David Grondin Dunfermline Free 31-01-2003
David Noble West Ham Signed 31-01-2003
Matthew Rouse Fisher Signed 01-03-2003
Carlin Itonga Kettering Free 01-03-2003
Michael Gordon MK Dons Free 01-03-2003
Ben Chorley MK Dons Free 07-03-2003
Graham Barrett Coventry Free 30-05-2003
David Seaman Man City Free 04-06-2003
Total: £ 5460000

Net: £1,140,000.


Arsenal's transfers in 2003/2004

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Cesc Fabregas Barcelona Free 01-07-2003
Philippe Senderos Servette £ 2500000 01-07-2003
Jens Lehmann B. Dortmund Signed 26-07-2003
Gael Clichy Cannes Nominal 04-08-2003
Jose Reyes Seville £ 10500000 28-01-2004
Robin Van Persie Feyenoord £ 2750000 16-05-2004
Arturo Lupoli Parma Signed 01-07-2004
Total: £ 15750000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Oleg Luzhny Wolves Free 24-07-2003
Guillaume Warmuz B. Dortmund Free 27-07-2003
John Halls Stoke Nominal 05-12-2003
Moritz Volz Fulham Nominal 21-01-2004
Jerome Thomas Charlton £ 100000 02-02-2004
Nicky Nicolau Southend Free 17-05-2004
Liam Chilvers Colchester Free 10-06-2004
Ashley Probets Rochdale Free 16-06-2004
Craig Holloway Farnborough Free 29-06-2004
Efstathios Tavlaridis Lille Signed 29-06-2004
Alex Bailey Chesterfield Free 29-06-2004
Giovanni Van Bronckhorst Barcelona Signed 01-07-2004
Dean Shiels Hibernian Free 01-07-2004
Total: £ 100000

Net: £15,650,000.


Arsenal's transfers in 2004/2005

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Manuel Almunia Celta Vigo Signed 14-07-2004
Mathieu Flamini Marseille Signed 23-07-2004
Emmanuel Eboue Beveren £ 1000000 09-01-2005
Total: £ 1000000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Martin Keown Leicester Free 20-07-2004
Ray Parlour Middlesbro Free 23-07-2004
Nwankwo Kanu West Brom Free 30-07-2004
Igor Stepanovs Grasshoppers Signed 01-08-2004
Francis Jeffers Charlton £ 2600000 10-08-2004
Sylvain Wiltord Lyon Free 31-08-2004
Stephen Bradley Dunfermline 06-10-2004
Tomas Danilevicius Livorno Signed 05-12-2004
John Spicer Bournemouth Signed 17-12-2004
Rami Shaaban Brighton Free 19-02-2005
Matthew Hislop QPR Free 07-03-2005
Dominic Shimmin QPR Nominal 24-03-2005
Edu Valencia Free 30-05-2005
Chris Wright Boston Utd Free 10-06-2005
Total: £ 2600000

Net: -£1,600,000.


Arsenal's transfers in 2005/2006

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Nicklas Bendtner FC Copenhagen Signed 01-07-2005
Vito Mannone Atalanta £ 350000 04-07-2005
Armand Traore Monaco Signed 05-07-2005
Aleksandr Hleb VfB Stuttgart Signed 12-07-2005
Vassiriki Diaby Auxerre £ 2000000 13-01-2006
Emmanuel Adebayor Monaco £ 7000000 13-01-2006
Theo Walcott Southampton £ 5000000 20-01-2006
Mart Poom Sunderland Signed 23-01-2006
Tomas Rosicky B. Dortmund £ 6800000 23-05-2006
Total: £ 21150000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Olafur Ingi Skulason Brentford Free 22-06-2005
Adam Birchall Mansfield Free 22-06-2005
Dean McDonald Ipswich Free 24-06-2005
Stuart Taylor Aston Villa Signed 27-06-2005
Daniel Karbassiyoon Burnley Free 30-06-2005
Stephen O'Donnell Falkirk Free 01-07-2005
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham Signed 01-07-2005
Patrick Vieira Juventus £ 13700000 15-07-2005
Sebastian Svard V Guimaraes Free 18-07-2005
Frankie Simek Sheff Wed Free 28-07-2005
Patrick Cregg Falkirk Free 06-01-2006
David Bentley Blackburn Signed 31-01-2006
Quincy Owusu-Abeyie Spartak Moscow Signed 31-01-2006
Mark Howard Cardiff Free 26-05-2006
Robert Pires Villarreal Free 01-07-2006
Total: £ 13700000

Net: £7,450,000.


Arsenal's transfers in 2006/2007

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Joe O'Cearuill Watford Free 01-08-2006
Alexandre Song Billong Bastia £ 1000000 01-08-2006
Fran Merida Perez Barcelona Signed 01-08-2006
Denilson Sao Paulo £ 3400000 31-08-2006
William Gallas Chelsea Swap 31-08-2006
Lukasz Fabianski Legia Warsaw Signed 26-05-2007
Eduardo Dynamo Zagreb £ 7500000 02-07-2007
Total: £ 11900000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Michael Jordan Chesterfield Free 27-07-2006
Graham Stack Reading Signed 01-08-2006
Ryan Smith Derby Signed 01-08-2006
Sol Campbell Portsmouth Free 08-08-2006
Pascal Cygan Villarreal £ 2000000 31-08-2006
Ashley Cole Chelsea Signed 31-08-2006
Anthony Stokes Sunderland £ 2000000 08-01-2007
Lauren Portsmouth £ 500000 18-01-2007
Sebastian Larsson Birmingham £ 1000000 31-01-2007
Fabrice Muamba Birmingham £ 4000000 14-05-2007
Mart Poom Watford Signed 26-05-2007
Jeremie Aliadiere Middlesbro £ 2000000 19-06-2007
Thierry Henry Barcelona £ 16100000 25-06-2007
Arturo Lupoli Fiorentina Free 01-07-2007
Peggy Lokando Southend Free 01-07-2007
Total: £ 27600000

Net: -£15,700,000.


Arsenal's transfers in 2007/2008

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Bakari Sagna Auxerre £ 6000000 12-07-2007
Lassana Diarra Chelsea Signed 31-08-2007
Total: £ 6000000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Fredrik Ljungberg West Ham £ 3000000 23-07-2007
Jose Reyes Atl. Madrid Signed 30-07-2007
Ryan Garry Bournemouth Free 06-08-2007
Joe O'Cearuill Barnet Free 24-08-2007
Total: £ 3000000

Net: £3,000,000.

So:

Arsene Wenger's net spend whilst at Arsenal is:

£37,176,000, not £21m.

Ergo, if we divide this by the amount of players he has signed (73), it totals £509,260.27 per player. If you divide his gross outlay (£170,350,000) by the same, it comes to £2,333,561.64 per player.

Now if we do the same for Rafa:

Liverpool's transfers in 2004/2005

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Josemi Malaga £ 2000000 27-07-2004
Luis Garcia Barcelona £ 6000000 01-08-2004
Xabi Alonso Sociedad £ 10500000 01-08-2004
Antonio Nunez Real Madrid Swap 17-08-2004
Mauricio Pellegrino Valencia Free 05-01-2005
Fernando Morientes Real Madrid £ 6300000 13-01-2005
Scott Carson Leeds £ 750000 21-01-2005
Total: £ 25550000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Markus Babbel VfB Stuttgart Free 17-07-2004
Danny Murphy Charlton £ 2500000 10-08-2004
Michael Owen Real Madrid Signed 13-08-2004
Chris Butler Accrington Free 01-10-2004
Stephane Henchoz Celtic Free 28-01-2005
Vladimir Smicer Bordeaux Free 13-06-2005
El Hadji Diouf Bolton Signed 16-06-2005
Total: £ 2500000

Net: £23,050,000.



Liverpool's transfers in 2005/2006

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Jose Reina Villarreal £ 6000000 04-07-2005
Mark Gonzalez Albacete £ 4500000 04-07-2005
Boudewijn Zenden Middlesbro Free 04-07-2005
Antonio Barragan Seville Signed 04-07-2005
Mohamed Sissoko Valencia £ 5600000 13-07-2005
Peter Crouch Southampton £ 7000000 20-07-2005
Godwin Antwi Real Zaragoza Signed 01-08-2005
Jack Hobbs Lincoln Signed 18-08-2005
Paul Anderson Hull City Signed 02-01-2006
Jan Kromkamp Villarreal Swap 04-01-2006
David Martin MK Dons Signed 12-01-2006
Daniel Agger Brondby £ 5800000 12-01-2006
Robbie Fowler Man City Free 27-01-2006
Craig Bellamy Blackburn £ 6000000 22-06-2006
Gabriel Paletta Banfield £ 2000000 01-07-2006
Total: £ 36900000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Mauricio Pellegrino Alaves Free 04-07-2005
Jon Otsemobor Rotherham Free 05-07-2005
Gregory Vignal Portsmouth Free 12-07-2005
Antonio Nunez Celta Vigo Signed 26-07-2005
Ritchie Partridge Sheff Wed Signed 29-07-2005
Milan Baros Aston Villa £ 6500000 23-08-2005
Paul Harrison Wolves Free 04-11-2005
Mark Smyth Accrington Free 18-11-2005
Josemi Villarreal Swap 01-01-2006
John Welsh Hull City Swap 02-01-2006
Fernando Morientes Valencia £ 3000000 25-05-2006
Conal Platt Bournemouth Free 31-05-2006
Zak Whitbread Millwall Free 13-06-2006
Bruno Cheyrou Rennes Signed 30-06-2006
Total: £ 9500000

Net: £27,400,000.


Liverpool's transfers in 2006/2007

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Fabiano Aurelio Valencia Free 05-07-2006
Jermaine Pennant Birmingham £ 6700000 26-07-2006
Dirk Kuyt Feyenoord £ 9000000 18-08-2006
Nabil El Zhar St Etienne Signed 01-10-2006
Alvaro Arbeloa Deportivo £ 2600000 31-01-2007
Javier Mascherano West Ham Signed 31-01-2007
Francisco Manuel Duran Malaga Signed 31-01-2007
Andrei Voronin B. Leverkusen Free 01-07-2007
Charles-Hubert Itandje Lens Signed 01-07-2007
Fernando Torres Atl. Madrid £ 26500000 04-07-2007
Total: £ 44800000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
David Raven Carlisle Free 03-07-2006
Ramon Calliste Scunthorpe Free 05-07-2006
Dietmar Hamann Man City £ 400000 12-07-2006
Carl Medjani Lorient Signed 18-07-2006
Robbie Foy Scunthorpe Free 01-08-2006
Antonio Barragan Deportivo £ 680000 04-08-2006
Djimi Traore Charlton £ 2000000 08-08-2006
Neil Mellor Preston Signed 30-08-2006
Jan Kromkamp PSV Eindhoven Signed 31-08-2006
Chris Kirkland Wigan Signed 27-10-2006
Danny Mannix Ham-Kam Signed 01-01-2007
Darren Potter Wolves £ 250000 18-01-2007
Stephen Warnock Blackburn £ 1500000 22-01-2007
Salif Diao Stoke Free 25-01-2007
Florent Sinama Pongolle R. Huelva £ 2700000 04-05-2007
Danny O'Donnell Crewe £ 100000 20-06-2007
Luis Garcia Atl. Madrid Signed 03-07-2007
Boudewijn Zenden Marseille Free 06-07-2007
Djibril Cisse Marseille £ 6000000 08-07-2007
Total: £ 13630000

Net: £31,170,000.


Liverpool's transfers in 2007/2008

Players in

Player From Fee Date
Yossi Benayoun West Ham £ 5000000 12-07-2007
Ryan Babel Ajax £ 11500000 13-07-2007
Total: £ 16500000

Players out

Player To Fee Date
Craig Bellamy West Ham £ 7500000 10-07-2007
Mark Gonzalez Real Betis £ 4200000 19-07-2007
Jerzy Dudek Real Madrid Free 20-07-2007
Robbie Fowler Cardiff Free 21-07-2007
Total: £ 11700000

Net: £4,800,000.

So, Rafa's total outlay is £123,750,000 (divided by 34 = £3,639,705.88 - £1,306,144.28 more than Wenger's total. Taking into account inflation and the increased spending in the transfer market, this is a negligible amount.)

When net spending is used, (£86,420,000), the average price paid per player is £2,541,764.71.

So - Wenger's supposed "superior" record is actually not all that, especially when you consider the fact that Rafa has not really begun to sell the players he has bought.

Wenger's record is essentially built on selling his best players. What is to say that, over time, Rafa won't recoup over £100m by selling those players he has signed?

For me, when you consider the fact that more money is spent nowadays, Rafa's record more than matches up to Wenger's, and will, in time, overtake it.

[Lando_Griffin]

Lando - You can expect a load of rubbish off you and, once again you've ve not let me down.


Where are we tomorrow ?

If we win,then WTF has been going on so far ?

If we lose, and that's what we are expecting , so where  are we then ?

A draw will really be a laugh !!

What the f*ck are you chatting about?

Where did I mention a draw? WHere did I even f*cking comment on the result?

Prat.

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If you take net spending into account, then divide it by each season, Wenger has outspent Rafa.

That's the only stat you can possibly use.

That’s not much of a point considering Wenger has been at Arsenal for over a decade and Rafa has been at Liverpool for less than half of a decade.

I'll simplify it, shall I?

If you take the net amount of money Rafa has spent, then divide it by the 4 seasons he's been here, that number is lower than if you divide Wenger's net spending by the 11 or so seasons he's been at Arsenal.

Do you understand now?

But thats not what you said here is it Lando!!!!

[Lando_Griffin]

You know what? I'm not even going to bother explaining it for you again. If you can't grasp this ridiculously easy concept, then I pity you.

Get your dad to read it, then ask him to explain what the grown ups are talking about.

You haven’t explained anything; all you have done is put down a list to a website which has calculated accurately or inaccurately the amount spent by numerous managers and clubs.

You have not given a clear indication about what it is you are trying to explain, so what are you trying to explain? If you are trying to suggest that Wenger has spent money, then you really didn’t need to go to such depths.

Every fan of the game knows Wenger has spent money, £12m for Wiltord, £8m for Francis Jeffers, £11m for Henry and £17m on Reyes clarifies this.

If you are trying to use the figures to rubbish Wenger’s status as a fine manager, then such an approach is void. Firstly most managers have spent money and secondly, not all managers are able to combine free, flowing, entertaining football with winning football.

LISTEN, I-M-B-E-C-I-L-E - I AM SAYING THAT IF YOU DIVIDE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WENGER HAS SPENT ON THE 73 SIGNINGS HE HAS MADE, THE NUMBER WILL NOT BE MUCH LESS THAN IF YOU DID THE SAME FOR RAFA. ERGO, HE HAS NOT ACHIEVED WHAT HE HAS ON THE PERCEIVED SHOE-STRING SOME WANKBANDITS BELIEVE.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW, YOU F*CKING INCREDIBLY STUPID BOY?

[Lando_Griffin]

If you take net spending into account, then divide it by each season, Wenger has outspent Rafa.

That's the only stat you can possibly use.

That’s not much of a point considering Wenger has been at Arsenal for over a decade and Rafa has been at Liverpool for less than half of a decade.

I'll simplify it, shall I?

If you take the net amount of money Rafa has spent, then divide it by the 4 seasons he's been here, that number is lower than if you divide Wenger's net spending by the 11 or so seasons he's been at Arsenal.

Do you understand now?

But thats not what you said here is it Lando!!!!

When I last did it - before this season - it was.

But the thing here is - I've posted it up and actually had the b*llocks to say - "hey - I was wrong". I wonder how many of the cretinous b*stards on here would do the same?

But the main point is still the same - you can't lambast Rafa for spending c. £1.3m more per player than Wenger, if you then consider Wenger to be a genius.

OK? Do we ALL get it now?

Jesus H. Christ.

[woof woof !]

LISTEN, I-M-B-E-C-I-L-E - I AM SAYING THAT IF YOU DIVIDE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WENGER HAS SPENT ON THE 73 SIGNINGS HE HAS MADE, THE NUMBER WILL NOT BE MUCH LESS THAN IF YOU DID THE SAME FOR RAFA. ERGO, HE HAS NOT ACHIEVED WHAT HE HAS ON THE PERCEIVED SHOE-STRING SOME WANKBANDITS BELIEVE.

Who ? Wenger or Benitez ?   

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What is to say that, over time, Rafa won't recoup over £100m by selling those players he has signed?

They'll depreciate in value if they don't actually play enough games. Those that are regulars, will likewise if they don't up the ante somewhat based on present form.

The likes of Gerrard, Torres, Alonso, Reina perhaps Mascherano (subject to contract) and Agger are our main saleable assets at the moment. Crouch, Kuyt, Riise, Babel maybe Benayoun and Pennant, Kewell if he gets his act together would i imagine fall into the next tier down. One or two makeweights and the odd surprise coming up through the ranks are the rest of what makes up the value to be gained from selling. Like i say, i'd imagine.

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So basically you have agreed ALL MY FIGURES added an extra year on which includes players signed before Wenger arrived at Arsenal. Then changed all the rules . Nice one

I will use your figures

Wenger net spend 37,176,000/12 = £3million net spend per year

Rafa net spend 86,420,000/4 = £21million net spend per year

Not even close mate.

[Wilhelmsson]

LISTEN, I-M-B-E-C-I-L-E - I AM SAYING THAT IF YOU DIVIDE THE AMOUNT OF MONEY WENGER HAS SPENT ON THE 73 SIGNINGS HE HAS MADE, THE NUMBER WILL NOT BE MUCH LESS THAN IF YOU DID THE SAME FOR RAFA. ERGO, HE HAS NOT ACHIEVED WHAT HE HAS ON THE PERCEIVED SHOE-STRING SOME WANKBANDITS BELIEVE.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND NOW, YOU F*CKING INCREDIBLY STUPID BOY?

Yes, you’re correct, but most people already know this so why state the obvious? The fact of the matter is Wenger knows how to win the Premiership and currently Rafa doesn’t even know how to finish second in the league, there’s the difference when it comes to comparing the two manager's.

All managers spend money, but it doesn’t make Wenger any less of a manager, he is still one of the finest managers plying their trade within the English game.

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That doesn't mean Wenger is a better manager mate, all it means is he sells his top players, we don't!

[Sabre]

The figures are right, but to use Arsenal comparison to stablish the point that Rafa is a money waster is the most convenient case of the top club comparisons to do so.

Lando does have a point when he says that Rafa hasn't lost key elements of the squad, should he had lost Alonso or Gerrard when a big club knocked the door like in Henry's case, or Fabregas next season (Fabregas admitted that Wenger begged him to stay this season), then his balance would have been different.

**But** It cannot be said neither that Rafa has been exactly austere or hasn't made doubtful signings. I don't have a complaint about what he has spent in important players of the squad like Alonso, Reina, Kuyt (I include him as a decent signing) or Agger, as those have been used a lot. My criticism to Rafa is the amount of expensive patches he has used to cover the positions in which he didn't get the required man. People like Josemi have been expensive for what they've done. A lot of money has gone in those uneffective patches.

Anyhow, it cannot be said he's had the spending power of the likes of Mourinho, who in one season almost spent what we spend in 4 years (didn't look the real figures, just in case, trusting  my memory).

[EddieC]

You could have saved yourself a lot of criticism mate by just putting out a standard 4-4-2 but adding the comment that you'd like to see Babel & Gerrard come into the middle a lot, something which they both do anyway.

I don't know if you're deliberately trying to be controversial, but you could have said exactly the same thing in a manner that wouldn't have got an adverse reaction.

Sorry but how the hell was my initial post controversial, I didn't attack anyone, just gave an opinion and then people start taking the and calling me an idiot, that isn't called for. There are so many posts which I think are complete sh1t but I don't mock people for them!

Chill out mate, I didn't attack your post I was just saying how you could have avoided the criticism.

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The problem as I see it is not how much a player costs or how much you get back when he fails and is sold, its the time wasted playing someone who's not good enough and then having to buy another player, who then has to be given time to settle in etc etc.