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[AussieKopite]

Didn't some Brazilians and Japanese get in trouble for match-fixing???

If we draw the match... then Chelsea will have to fight it all out with Betis.

Betis will have to Beat Anderlach hich is assured.  and when Chelsea meet us .. if we drew the match.. thats it Chelsea will be out. If chelsea beat us, its ok we still qualify.

I don't think this is such a good idea. Please tell me thats not what you mean.

[A.B.]

I'm glad that you aren't our manager hobbes. I couldn't give a damn about Chelsea, we need to win and thats it.

[babu]

HOHO Hobbes got his wish,

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[Sabre]

It's a pity Betis is out mathematically but between Liverpool and Betis,  first is first, we had to pass.

Serra Ferrer has told tonight they lost the qualifying in the game against Liverpool in the Ruiz de Lopera, he might be right, but I'd love to have seen an "standard" (pretty much what they display in the liga normal game) Betis we've seen today, in Stamford Bridge.

I should have warned you not to look at the Spanish pile to jump into conclussions, but right now the Spanish liga is Barcelona on world class level (above chelsea and unfortunately Liverpool I have to admit) and the rest of the pile, is very leveled, unless the worst 2 teams. All the rest, are not top class, but teams that can give a tough game everywhere in the world, Anfield today, Old Trafford yesterday.

Bottomline, Gamblers: it's not good idea to bet in Spanish league this days.

[mgabby]

well, he got part of it ...
Chelski are in the final 16 in any way ...

[azriahmad]

Hobbes, in case you are not aware, the CL has a tie breaker in the head-to-head comparison in case 2 teams get locked in with the same points at the end of the Group stages. Chelsea beat Betis 4-0 at home and lost 0-1 in Spain, giving a head-to-head score of 4-1 in favour of Chelsea.

Betis is already out after matchday 5, regardless of what happens to Chelsea on matchday 6.

[MilitiaRusher]

Hobbes, in case you are not aware, the CL has a tie breaker in the head-to-head comparison in case 2 teams get locked in with the same points at the end of the Group stages. Chelsea beat Betis 4-0 at home and lost 0-1 in Spain, giving a head-to-head score of 4-1 in favour of Chelsea.

Betis is already out after matchday 5, regardless of what happens to Chelsea on matchday 6.

In case you didn't know, this thread was started before the Betis game at Anfield.

[azriahmad]

I know, Militia, I read the thread late.

What I was trying to convey is that even if Betis tied Chelsea on points which is still possible if we beat Chelsea on matchday 6, there is no way Chelsea can be eliminated anymore. This kind of head-to-head eliminator is justifiable for a top tier tournament like the CL whereby goal difference alone cannot be the tie-breaker, and the team which comes out on top in the 2 clashes between the tied teams should go through.

[hobbes]

Thats what  puzzles me.. Now Chelsea has 10 points, Betis 7
Chelsea will play Liv and Betis vs Ander. Now. If Betis beat Ander with say 3-0 0r 4-0 or whatever. It all comes to LIverpool. We control Chelsea's faith. MAn! the thought of it itself is exciting.

Its now the last match. Though I will certainly to watch Liverpool game vs Chelsea. But now everyone will be excited. If Liverpool WIN the match against Chelsea... then between Betis and Chelsea who will qualify....depends on the agrreate of goals scored.

And knowing Chelsea, they will try to avoind Barcelona or other big clubs. Barcelona is waiting for revenge.

So they will play cautiously to maintain their position depending on the other team results. Liverpool will be able to capitalize the whole match and win.

If Betis is lucky they will qualify. But why everyone seem to say Chelsea has qualified. I did not get that.?

[Sabre]

Its now the last match. Though I will certainly to watch Liverpool game vs Chelsea. But now everyone will be excited. If Liverpool WIN the match against Chelsea... then between Betis and Chelsea who will qualify....depends on the agrreate of goals scored.

I wish you were right. But in case of tie between two teams, as azriahmad has pointed out above, it's looked the direct matches between the two tied teams. Since Chelsea had more difference of goals in Chelsea, it doesn't matter we win 0-8 in S Bridge or Betis manages to score 5 to anderlecht.

SAbre

[hobbes]

i know about the away goal ruling

But I  read the rules. that says this:

The UEFA Champions League comprises of three qualifying rounds, a group stage, and four knockout rounds.

"In matches in the three qualifying rounds, clubs play two matches against each other on a home and away basis, with the club scoring the greater aggregate of goals qualifying for the next round. In the event of both teams scoring the same number of goals, the team which scores more goals away qualifies."
[B]

Check out : http://www.uefa.com/competitions/ucl/FixturesResults/index.html

So doesnt that mean Betis will still qualify if the score more goals than Chelsea. And in the event the no. of goals are the same then the away goal will be taken into acc.

Tell me more !

[Sabre]

No , because as far as I can understand, the "club scoring greater aggregate of goals" applies to the matches between each other (that's why it's two matches and not six), not the whole mini league.

I think when there's a trebble tie though, the overall aggregate of goals, do count.

Erm, after second read, I'm not sure at all of what I understand and what I don't. I'd better check the Spanish version

[hobbes]

hehe hehe..Let me know

[AussieKopite]

I know, Militia, I read the thread late.

What I was trying to convey is that even if Betis tied Chelsea on points which is still possible if we beat Chelsea on matchday 6, there is no way Chelsea can be eliminated anymore. This kind of head-to-head eliminator is justifiable for a top tier tournament like the CL whereby goal difference alone cannot be the tie-breaker, and the team which comes out on top in the 2 clashes between the tied teams should go through.

Wahts if they mud wrestle? Can Betis end up in the knock out stages? 

[SouthCoastShankly]

Simply put. Betis CANNOT qualify

The group qualifiers have been decided : Liverpool And Chelsea