Liverpool FC Forum

[CardinalRed]

An interesting list but under a bit of scrutiny, certain facts have to be pointed out... Arsenal have shot up the list because the Emirates Stadium (cost 440m) is included in the value of the club.... You wonder though, how long it's gonna take them to pay for it!
Juventus will surely drop down the list significantly now they're in Serie B. Italian Fans are notoriously fickle and I'd be curious to see what gates they get in that division.
LFC's income is higher than 10th in the list so all is not doom and gloom. At least our stadium is ours......!!!

[Ace Ventura]

Sorry Ace, your right,  heres the right link link

Liverpool have fallen from 8th to 10 place

Tbh mate i dont get that list really.
How the f'ck are Man City in there ? They dont even own there stadium do they ?

Also how is it worked out ? Inter Milan 507 million ? How do they come up with the amounts ?

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I cant help you there mate

[kazza]

If my memory serves me we were not that far apart on our valuations of Simao and Alves (a couple of million each player which may sound alot but not when you consider that they were better players that Raffa  wanted) so surely Raffa must have been bothered.

Logically it sounds like the story may be possible because both of those deals were in the bag only to fall through at the end.

[Kash_Mountain]

What's to worry about.  Rafa will definatly produce a title winning team with what he has.  We've won the Champions League, FA Cup etc.  We've beaten Cheeski who have spent untolds but they didn't win the CL or FA Cup did they.

Rafa doesn't want to spend more for players he see's as being overvalued , and if that means not getting his main target man then he'll look else where for someone that his worth the money,  and who he believes is worthy of wearing the Red Jersey.

[RUSHIE#9]

I assume this is the story you are on about KOPTALK Story

Liverpool boss Rafael Benitez is hoping to know within the next 24 hours if he can push ahead with the planned signing of Feyenoord striker Dirk Kuyt.

Reds chief executive Rick Parry has been trying to negotiate a fee with Feyenoord for the impressive hitman who scored against Middlesbrough in a pre-season friendly yesterday.

Kuyt favours a move to Anfield but unless Liverpool meet the asking price, Rafa will lose out with other Premier League clubs hot on his trail.

A board meeting will take place at Anfield later this week but Parry is hoping that Feyenoord accept our latest offer before that takes place. If they don't, Rafa will be given one last chance to make an appeal to the board to meet the difference between valuations.

Having lost out on Simao Sabrosa last season and Daniel Alves this season, losing out on Kuyt would really be the icing on the cake for the boss.

Jermaine Pennant may have been a decent addition to the squad, albeit an overpriced one, but if anyone really thinks Rafa was happy having to settle for second best, they need to think again.

This is just one persons opinion and doesn't really qualify as news - more speculation. I would be very surprised if Rafa didn't know the situation when he came to anfield regarding the state of the clubs finances. It strikes me that it more a frustrated 'fan' cacking themself that we aren't going to sign another player that we have be linked with for a long period.
In terms of missing out on players we can only base our opinions on what we here from the club and press, which isn't very much and never the full truthful story IMO. The impression i get is that Rafa and the club aren't prepared to give in to misguided trumped up overseas club presidents on transfer fees. Simao fell through because the Benfica president pumped the price up considerably at the last minute. If they accept these demands the selling clubs are just gonna see LFC as an easy target and keep pumping us for money until we either can't sign any decent players or we turn into another leeds. As for alves I've heard that it wasn't the overall price that was the stumbling block but more the structure of the payments and that we'll probably go back in for him at a later date when he may become cheaper and we can agree better payment terms.
IMHO Rafa knows there isn't masses to spend at the moment but is still able to manoeuvre 'acceptably' in the transfer market.

[bigmick]

In the case of Kuyt, I think it's really important in this argument to know what the asking price really is. Given his recent domestic record (don't tell me it's in the Dutch league, some good players have come out of there) and the fact he has broken into the Dutch national team it's hard to imagine you are going to pick him up very cheap. If Feyonord are holding out for ten million then I would venture you can hardly blame them.
Yes he's unproven in a good league but what if he comes to Liverpool and is the Prem's top scorer? His value then would at least double and they would look very silly had they have sold him on for 6 million or so. On the other hand of course if they are demanding fourteen million as some reports suggest, then that is indeed toppish and should be resisted.
If we end up not getting him/not being able to afford him and he goes elsewhere for around ten million then my feeling is that if I was Rafa and had trailed him relentlessly for over a year then I would be a bit p!ssed off.
We paid seven million for Crouch (which turned out to be a good buy) and he played for a team that had just been relegated and had been kicking around in their reserves six months earlier. If it's ten million and the boss wants him lets go get the fella. If we don't and he is a success somewhere else it could sow the seeds of resentment in the best manager we've had for the last twenty years.

[darwisigila]

Leonmc0708
LFC Elite Member

KRAP TALK

That particular site is a load of garbage.



Could'nt agree more....any tranfer news they publish never happen.

[kazza]

I just wish we were the type of team that can spend big on a player. It does not have to be like Real or Chelsea but an occasional big buy is not unreasonable. I am happy with the Liverpool culture as it is, but it would be nice to know that if we go after a player, we'll get him.

We lost a great player in Owen, so we need to break the bank and get a great player to replace him. Feck this penny pinching cr@p.

[LFC #1]

Leonmc0708
LFC Elite Member

KRAP TALK

That particular site is a load of garbage.



Could'nt agree more....any tranfer news they publish never happen.

It's a con. Anybody who pays for their gold membership or whatever it is needs to take a good long look at themselves.

[REDTILLDEAD]

I just wish we were the type of team that can spend big on a player. It does not have to be like Real or Chelsea but an occasional big buy is not unreasonable. I am happy with the Liverpool culture as it is, but it would be nice to know that if we go after a player, we'll get him.

We lost a great player in Owen, so we need to break the bank and get a great player to replace him. Feck this penny pinching cr@p.

I'm afraid L.F.C. will never be able to compete with the likes of chelsea etc, untill we get sound investment in place. We need big financial backers in place...moores/parry are holding the (very tight) purse strings....and although they "talk a good transfer"...will always stop short when allowing rafa the funds to chase the players he wants. The longer we leave it to sign another striker...the higher the price will go...we dont want to be left in the same position as we were at the end of the transfer window last season when we were scrambling to sign simoa...in the last 24 hours......come on moores!...give rafa the money to sign Kuyt...if thats his prefared choice?. 

[account deleted by request]

When the transfer window opened I hoped Liverpool had a larger transfer budget than the rumoured £20-£25million, and that some of the deals already cut and dried.ie Palletta might not be included in this summmers buget.Unfortunately the rumours appear to have been surprisingly accurate as to our transfer funds, but perhaps at the lower end £20million, and the task of bringing in a R.Midfield and 2 strikers with our limited funds(1 extra due to Cisse injury/transfer) without the benefit of Cisse's sale has proved difficult to say the least.
             Rafa's task has not been helped by the reluctance of clubs ,both to buy our unwanted "stars" and wanting top dollar for their own. The deal for Alves seemed to rumble on for most of the summer before Rafa eventually was forced to look elsewhere.The Kuit deal seems to be following a similar pattern but hopefully with a happier outcome. If Rafa is forced to look elsewhere again(rather than seeing a better player) by his limited funds it could have a negative effect on both the team and Rafa.
           I think the idea(hope) we had that it was Rafa being clever and not paying more than a player was worth, was infact his hand being forced by his limited funds. I have heard that there is to be a board meeting later this week, with a successful result against Haifa tomorrow maybe they will loosen the purse strings enough for Rafa to get his man. Give him the money and let him do the job, please.

[kazza]

Well if it is about CL qualification then we will not know for another two weeks until we actually qualify and then we will not have long until the window closes. Once again it will be down to the last few days of the transfer window and once again something may happen to blow the deal (hopefully not this time).

[account deleted by request]

Well if it is about CL qualification then we will not know for another two weeks until we actually qualify and then we will not have long until the window closes. Once again it will be down to the last few days of the transfer window and once again something may happen to blow the deal (hopefully not this time).

hopefully if we win 3 or 4-0 tomorrow they will consider it job done and give him some of the CL money.

[48-1119859832]

People seem to think that it's a case of getting Champions League money and then Rafa can go around spending x amount of millions. From what I gather we are desperately trying to get this new stadium, so I'd imagine most of this Champions League money will go into the funding of a new stadium. Unfortunately Rome wasn't built in a day, neither will a title winning side. We've also spent around £14million on players this season so we should have some left over and as we are getting £2million for Traore and the money we got for Morientes. I'm sure we'll have enough to sign Kuyt unless Feyenoord suddenly up the price.