Liverpool FC Forum

[Octsky]

think he got it spot on today, we was unlucky to go in 1-0 down, unlike sum i dont think we was that bad in the first half.
in fact if we had not had let in a silly goal i think we was just about the better side in the first half.

ya with the incredible bad luck from Carra, what chance did Everton got ??

[Kukilon]

I know people will blast me for this but I think KK got it way wrong in this game and it noticed in the first half. Sure Everton was lucky that they went one up but pairing Carra in the middle was just not ok. Almost served them up another time with a Distineaque pass towards goal. Everton was stupid and tried to defend their way through this semi which helped us. Downing did well and still he got swapped "with hindsight brilliant swap". Enrique should have started.

Great performance from the lads in the second half and in the end it went well.

Everton is a very ordinary team.

[metalhead]

whether you like it or not, reaching 2 finals in one season, especially that it's kenny's first full season is an achievement

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

I know people will blast me for this but I think KK got it way wrong in this game and it noticed in the first half. Sure Everton was lucky that they went one up but pairing Carra in the middle was just not ok. Almost served them up another time with a Distineaque pass towards goal. Everton was stupid and tried to defend their way through this semi which helped us. Downing did well and still he got swapped "with hindsight brilliant swap". Enrique should have started.

Great performance from the lads in the second half and in the end it went well.

Everton is a very ordinary team.

for all we know enrique could have given away 2 pen`s and been sent off, whenever the team wins the manager picked the right team (obviously).
everton arent ordinary, they have recently beaten the likes of chelsea, man city and spurs at home and their performance away at sunderland in the quarter finals when sunderland were flying was very impressive.
a lot of psychology comes into play when everton play us, there fans are absolutely desperate to beat us and this desperation filters through to the players, they load too much pressure onto their players shoulders and they just freeze under the weight of expectation.
we are the one team in the whole universe that they dont want to lose to and when that fact is floating around in their players heads during a game they make decisions on the ball that they wouldnt neccessarily make in other games.

[Kharhaz]

Everton are not an ordinary team. They are our rivals, and it doesnt matter where they or we are in the league, when these matches occur, form goes out of the window. The rivalry on and off the pitch creates an atmosphere that cannot be rivalled by anyone.

An ordinary team? no, a team we simply have to beat on every occasion? definitely.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Everton are not an ordinary team. They are our rivals, and it doesnt matter where they or we are in the league, when these matches occur, form goes out of the window. The rivalry on and off the pitch creates an atmosphere that cannot be rivalled by anyone.

An ordinary team? no, a team we simply have to beat on every occasion? definitely.

it`s worth reminding a few of our fans that in the wider sense too everton are not an ordinary club either, they are a founder member of the football league and a club who have played more top flight games than anyone else (infact everton v aston villa is the most played fixture in english football), for the first 70 odd years of league football they were the biggest, richest and best club on merseyside and arguably the biggest club in england, because everton have fallen away dramatically over the past 20 years or so a lot of sky generation fans dont realise that in the 110 year`s from 1888 to the mid 1990`s everton accumulated more league titles than manchester united.
everton were a incredibly consistent club, even in the old days when teams went up and down the divisions and went through cycles everton won the title in the 1910`s, 1920`s, 1930`s, (most of the 1940`s was lost to the war but everton won the last league title before the league was suspended for the duration), the 1960`s, the 1970`s and the 1980`s.
everton were also the first club in the world to wear the numbers 1 to 11 on their backs
whenever you spoke about the `big four` years ago it was always liverpool, united and everton set in stone plus either one of the north london clubs (usually whichever one was doing best at the time).
it`s also ironic considering how bad everton have been in the premier league era that they were the big driving force behind the prem being set up and their chairman philip carter was the `face` of the clubs threatening to break away from the football league in the late 80`s.
also goodison park was the first purpose built football stadium on the planet, up to then teams played on recreational area`s with a few seats or a makeshift embankments.
they are our bitterest rivals and the team we love to beat the most but we both originated from the same church side (st domingo`s) and as their song says, like it or not, they are a grand old team.

this clip about dixie dean shows the type of support they had years ago, look at the crowds when they bring the cup back to liverpool - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMYsD5KtJAg

[Kharhaz]

Everton are not an ordinary team. They are our rivals, and it doesnt matter where they or we are in the league, when these matches occur, form goes out of the window. The rivalry on and off the pitch creates an atmosphere that cannot be rivalled by anyone.

An ordinary team? no, a team we simply have to beat on every occasion? definitely.

it`s worth reminding a few of our fans that in the wider sense too everton are not an ordinary club either, they are a founder member of the football league and a club who have played more top flight games than anyone else (infact everton v aston villa is the most played fixture in english football), for the first 70 odd years of league football they were the biggest, richest and best club on merseyside and arguably the biggest club in england, because everton have fallen away dramatically over the past 20 years or so a lot of sky generation fans dont realise that in the 110 year`s from 1888 to the mid 1990`s everton accumulated more league titles than manchester united.
everton were a incredibly consistent club, even in the old days when teams went up and down the divisions and went through cycles everton won the title in the 1910`s, 1920`s, 1930`s, (most of the 1940`s was lost to the war but everton won the last league title before the league was suspended for the duration), the 1960`s, the 1970`s and the 1980`s.
everton were also the first club in the world to wear the numbers 1 to 11 on their backs
whenever you spoke about the `big four` years ago it was always liverpool, united and everton set in stone plus either one of the north london clubs (usually whichever one was doing best at the time).
it`s also ironic considering how bad everton have been in the premier league era that they were the big driving force behind the prem being set up and their chairman philip carter was the `face` of the clubs threatening to break away from the football league in the late 80`s.
also goodison park was the first purpose built football stadium on the planet, up to then teams played on recreational area`s with a few seats or a makeshift embankments.
they are our bitterest rivals and the team we love to beat the most but we both originated from the same church side (st domingo`s) and as their song says, like it or not, they are a grand old team.

this clip about dixie dean shows the type of support they had years ago, look at the crowds when they bring the cup back to liverpool - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMYsD5KtJAg

I could also have said, if it were not for Everton, Liverpool FC wouldn't be here today. But im not one for forcing today's fan to have some sort of knowledge !

[Reg]

whether you like it or not, reaching 2 finals in one season, especially that it's kenny's first full season is an achievement

Thats true mate. They use thinner posts in the cups. 

[Octsky]

heard Carra's interview after the game " David Moyes said that the whole country is behind his team",
when have we suddenly become the public's enemy no.1?
are we not the most decorated club in England? not the club with the most special fans? not the club with special European nights? and the one of the most famous stadium in the world?
Evra, the rat had succeed in dragging the club in the mud, and we must let our football do the talking by winning the FA cup and at least savage this season, shut the doubters up. Tennis is the game in which the person who commits the least mistakes win. i believe the same for football. the team who commits the least mistake will win the final. God be with us.

[maguskwt]

We won the Semi Final and I'm happy but there are still alot of issues that Kenny needs to resolve:

1. Why play Henderson on the right?

2. Why play Carra at all? Going for experience yes but it didn't help. The defence was more jittery when Carra plays. Sad but true.

3. Why not play one or 2 of Maxi, Bellamy and Kuyt for the big games?
Maxi - smart player, has a tendancy to ghost into the box undetected and scoring goals. Comfortable with the ball and plays pass and move football.
Bellamy - always a handful, have lots of pace, puts pressure to the opposition's defence, capable of scoring goals and as shown in the semi final capable of providing assists.
Kuyt - guaranteed workrate. Intelligent player. Can keep the ball. Helps out in defence. Pressures the opposition defenders.

4. Gerrard
Seems to be lacking his usual impact and seems to be not very fit. He was panting after one of his usual bursts forward. It's time for Kenny to define Gerrards role more narrowly. He can't be the do everything by himself captain anymore. Either ask him to play as a pure central midfielder, controlling the pace of the game and spraying passes like Alonso. I think Gerrard is capable of good distribution of he focuses on it. In the match, he had alot of misplaced passes because he was trying to do too much. Or ask him to play as a pure attacking midfielder behind Carroll and Suarez in a 4-5-1.

Kenny needs to make these calls. Starting with what is the best and most balanced formation. Right now as shown in the the first half, we were very clueless and inefficient, due to Henderson playing on the right, Gerrard trying to do too many things, and a jittery defence. The balance of the team is not there...

This will be my go to formation:


Johnson     Skrtle         Agger       Enrique
                       
              Gerrard         Henderson

Kuyt/Downing                              Maxi/Bellamy

               Suarez
                               Carroll

Yes no DM and IMO we don't need a DM especially if we only have Spearing. The midfield of Kuyt, Gerrard, Henderson and Bellamy or Maxi together with Suarez can keep more possession than what Kenny usually plays.
Our Defence is more or less stable, so if we stabilize our midfield by playing players in their natural positions and who are comfortable on the ball, then we will have more possession, concede less goals and win more games...

Shelvy should also feature more, maybe as a substitute coming on for Gerrard or Henderson...

[Kukilon]

I could also have said, if it were not for Everton, Liverpool FC wouldn't be here today. But im not one for forcing today's fan to have some sort of knowledge !

Oh come on now "not the good ole you lack knowledge holier than thou speech".

I didn't mean that Everton was a meaningless club I'm just saying that the they way they played us yesterday was the way a very ordinary club plays. A couple of years ago you could at least see that they played ten times better "at least effort wise" when they met us but these days it almost the opposite. They are worse against us.

My main concerns right now are what Maguskwt mentioned. Bad buys, to little pressing, Henderson, Carra, Kuyt, Bellamy and Andy.

[heimdall]

I could also have said, if it were not for Everton, Liverpool FC wouldn't be here today. But im not one for forcing today's fan to have some sort of knowledge !

Oh come on now "not the good ole you lack knowledge holier than thou speech".

I didn't mean that Everton was a meaningless club I'm just saying that the they way they played us yesterday was the way a very ordinary club plays. A couple of years ago you could at least see that they played ten times better "at least effort wise" when they met us but these days it almost the opposite. They are worse against us.

My main concerns right now are what Maguskwt mentioned. Bad buys, to little pressing, Henderson, Carra, Kuyt, Bellamy and Andy.

It's worth bearing in mind that neverton are above us in the league. I thought we won the game because we played better in the second half and because Everton got their tactics all wrong and had a fairly bad game. I think kenny got the team selection all wrong and we won despite it. For example I cannot get my head around why he didn't start with Maxi and the inclusion of Carra was bizare and pure sentimentality. I have to say that it was one of th ebest games I've seen Carroll play though, he really is showing signs of improvement, finally!

[parchpea]

We just need to sharpen up our act in the transfer market and then things
will soon start to improve.

Good players at the right prices and then watch us go, no problem.

Like Everton we suffer inconsistency not only match to match, but half
to half, and you cannot move forward operating like that.

We are lucky in that there is an ambition and funding to make great
strides, but failings in the transfer market have plagued us in recent
years meaning we see minimal or no improvement overall.

If Fenway can make the right choice for DOF and Dalglish works to
up his own game recruitment wise in tandem with that then we
should start to see a much better Liverpool next year.

We cannot really afford to get it wrong this time so its going to be
very interesting to see how things pan out over the next few weeks
and months when attempts will be made to put things straight and
get us looking the part again.

[7_Kewell]

We just need to sharpen up our act in the transfer market and then things
will soon start to improve.

Good players at the right prices and then watch us go, no problem.

Like Everton we suffer inconsistency not only match to match, but half
to half, and you cannot move forward operating like that.

We are lucky in that there is an ambition and funding to make great
strides, but failings in the transfer market have plagued us in recent
years meaning we see minimal or no improvement overall.

If Fenway can make the right choice for DOF and Dalglish works to
up his own game recruitment wise in tandem with that then we
should start to see a much better Liverpool next year.

We cannot really afford to get it wrong this time so its going to be
very interesting to see how things pan out over the next few weeks
and months when attempts will be made to put things straight and
get us looking the part again.

Personally, i hope we win the FA Cup and then Kenny stands down to become our new DOF.

[Greavesie]

We just need to sharpen up our act in the transfer market and then things
will soon start to improve.

Good players at the right prices and then watch us go, no problem.

Like Everton we suffer inconsistency not only match to match, but half
to half, and you cannot move forward operating like that.

We are lucky in that there is an ambition and funding to make great
strides, but failings in the transfer market have plagued us in recent
years meaning we see minimal or no improvement overall.

If Fenway can make the right choice for DOF and Dalglish works to
up his own game recruitment wise in tandem with that then we
should start to see a much better Liverpool next year.

We cannot really afford to get it wrong this time so its going to be
very interesting to see how things pan out over the next few weeks
and months when attempts will be made to put things straight and
get us looking the part again.

Personally, i hope we win the FA Cup and then Kenny stands down to become our new DOF.

In charge of signing players?