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[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Though tonight's result was totally unacceptable, Dalglish's first full season in charge is similar to that of Rafa's first full season in 2004/05. Experimentation & testing, rotating each game (though not as much as Rafa), questionable selection choice & tactics, and preference for silverware in cup competitions (which almost landed us the double in 2005) (the Carling Cup eluded us). If the board decide to keep Dalglish based on silverware collected this season (and I hope we do win the FA Cup), then Dalgish has a massive building exercise this summer to ensure this season's poor league form was a one off & never happens again.

2004/05
                                    P    W    D    L    F    A    Pts
6. Liverpool                  29  13    5    11  41  30   44

2011/12
                                    P    W    D    L    F    A    Pts
7. Liverpool                  29  11    9    9  35  29     42

Rafa's first season was different, in the sense it was widely accepted his team of misfits were from the Houllier era. That's why he wasn't attacked and that's why he was given time.  Fans are losing patience with Kenny because the misfits are HIS SIGNINGS...and after more than a year in the job, he's still lacking any vision when it comes to tactics, style or starting 11.

are they his signings though? do you think the owners gave him the torres money to spend a few days after getting off a cruise liner to take up a post as an interim manager?

[Boxscarf]

Yes it certainly is worrying.
Another thing thats just as worrying are those who are calling for Dalglish's head.
It might be disgraceful that we gave up a 2-0 lead and lost 3-2 (I was working so I havent seen the match) but its even more disgraceful that some are actually overjoyed that they can stick the knife in KKs back for what happened tonight.
We dont need to be constantly reminded how much he has spent, or how much Carroll cost, or how many times weve hit the woodwork. We know all these things. What we need to be doing is stop talking like chelsea pr'icks and calling for our manager to be sacked.
We lost. Get over it. We may not come 4th. Get over it. We might not win the FA cup. Get over it. Show some support you w@nkers.
Part of me honestly would accept relegation to get rid of some of these glory hunting, arrogant, ignorant cu'nts

If you've got something to type to me, type to me by name and type to me directly.

I have not called for Dalglish's head, but recents results aren't acceptable and if we do win the FA cup that will in no way compensate for what has been a woeful league campaign, our third woeful campaign in a row.

Watch the QPR match, it's unforgivable, the players should be embarrassed and they all need to have a long hard look at themselves in the mirror. They need to realise what the club means to its supporters and they need to start taking things more seriously. Our players talk a fine match off the pitch in pre and post match interviews, but on the pitch, it's the same old story, wasting chance after chance after chance. Utterly disgraceful.

[Boxscarf]

are they his signings though? do you think the owners gave him the torres money to spend a few days after getting off a cruise liner to take up a post as an interim manager?

He's signed Adam, Downing and Henderson, all three have looked utterly toothless in our midfield this season.

[spiceboys2014]

Bill shankly.."1st is 1st, 2nd is nowhere". .
..so where are we now then on the scale of things?

hmmm a conundrum

[7_Kewell]

Though tonight's result was totally unacceptable, Dalglish's first full season in charge is similar to that of Rafa's first full season in 2004/05. Experimentation & testing, rotating each game (though not as much as Rafa), questionable selection choice & tactics, and preference for silverware in cup competitions (which almost landed us the double in 2005) (the Carling Cup eluded us). If the board decide to keep Dalglish based on silverware collected this season (and I hope we do win the FA Cup), then Dalgish has a massive building exercise this summer to ensure this season's poor league form was a one off & never happens again.

2004/05
                                    P    W    D    L    F    A    Pts
6. Liverpool                  29  13    5    11  41  30   44

2011/12
                                    P    W    D    L    F    A    Pts
7. Liverpool                  29  11    9    9  35  29     42

Rafa's first season was different, in the sense it was widely accepted his team of misfits were from the Houllier era. That's why he wasn't attacked and that's why he was given time.  Fans are losing patience with Kenny because the misfits are HIS SIGNINGS...and after more than a year in the job, he's still lacking any vision when it comes to tactics, style or starting 11.

are they his signings though? do you think the owners gave him the torres money to spend a few days after getting off a cruise liner to take up a post as an interim manager?

Kenny has final say on who comes, and who goes. And, you know what, i can almost forgive the fact that Kenny has wasted so much money, if it wasn't for the fact that he refuses to accept it. The likes of Charlie Adam should be paying to enter Anfield, not playing week in, week out.

Kenny doesn't learn from his mistakes...he just plods on.  And as Alan Hansen said on MOTD, "Liverpool are not a cup side"

[mramo]

Arent people forgetting that this season, we have won the League Cup, could potentially make & win the FA Cup Final, as well as having already secured European football next season? Dalglish's signing's aside - Im sure a majority of us were far from satisfied when Rafa signed misfits such as Nunez, Josemi, Carson, Pellegrino & Morientes in his first full season with all those mentioned barely having contributed nor showed any true form?

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Bill shankly.."1st is 1st, 2nd is nowhere". .
..so where are we now then on the scale of things....hmmm a conundrum

he won 3 titles in 15 seasons, he was talking about the mentality the players should have.

[Thommo's perm]

4 defeats out of 5 - that's very worrying.

Yes it certainly is worrying.
Another thing thats just as worrying are those who are calling for Dalglish's head.
It might be disgraceful that we gave up a 2-0 lead and lost 3-2 (I was working so I havent seen the match) but its even more disgraceful that some are actually overjoyed that they can stick the knife in KKs back for what happened tonight.
We dont need to be constantly reminded how much he has spent, or how much Carroll cost, or how many times weve hit the woodwork. We know all these things. What we need to be doing is stop talking like chelsea pr'icks and calling for our manager to be sacked.
We lost. Get over it. We may not come 4th. Get over it. We might not win the FA cup. Get over it. Show some support you w@nkers.
Part of me honestly would accept relegation to get rid of some of these glory hunting, arrogant, ignorant cu'nts

Hmm, so do you not want success then, do you genuinely never think change can be a good thing, should we always keep the status quo. Imagine if more peopel thought like you there'd never be any progress in the world, neevr any inventions, we'd still be cavemen.
I don't think anyone is happy at the result but some people realise that sometimes you need to make changes if you want to improve and kenny was always a stop gap measure, and much thanks he deserves.

I am not going to lose my temper with you because you have a history of winding people up with your bulls'hit
I never said I dont want success. Dont be so Fu*king stupid. I also never said I dont want change, or we should keep the status quo. Its obvious something needs to change if we want to progress.
What I did say was that those who are creaming in their kecks at another bad result should fu'ck off and "support" someone else because we will be better off without them.

[Thommo's perm]

Yes it certainly is worrying.
Another thing thats just as worrying are those who are calling for Dalglish's head.
It might be disgraceful that we gave up a 2-0 lead and lost 3-2 (I was working so I havent seen the match) but its even more disgraceful that some are actually overjoyed that they can stick the knife in KKs back for what happened tonight.
We dont need to be constantly reminded how much he has spent, or how much Carroll cost, or how many times weve hit the woodwork. We know all these things. What we need to be doing is stop talking like chelsea pr'icks and calling for our manager to be sacked.
We lost. Get over it. We may not come 4th. Get over it. We might not win the FA cup. Get over it. Show some support you w@nkers.
Part of me honestly would accept relegation to get rid of some of these glory hunting, arrogant, ignorant cu'nts

If you've got something to type to me, type to me by name and type to me directly.

I have not called for Dalglish's head, but recents results aren't acceptable and if we do win the FA cup that will in no way compensate for what has been a woeful league campaign, our third woeful campaign in a row.

Watch the QPR match, it's unforgivable, the players should be embarrassed and they all need to have a long hard look at themselves in the mirror. They need to realise what the club means to its supporters and they need to start taking things more seriously. Our players talk a fine match off the pitch in pre and post match interviews, but on the pitch, it's the same old story, wasting chance after chance after chance. Utterly disgraceful.

If you read it again you will see that I said "those calling for Dalglish's head"
You said you have not called for Dalglish's head, so I obviously want refering to you was I?
So what the fu'ck are you on about?

[desmdlow]

Did our players took their eyes off the ball? tats the question. If yes, shame on them. If not tough luck. But when will this end? We need to evaluate it? Why this happens? Is it because we r too afraid to hold on to lead? Is it tat is why we sit back after leading? Or is it Kenny's Substitution? All these need to be evaluated. Kenny needs time i understand. But did the players understand what that they need to perform week in week out and not jus talk? Hate to single any player out, but i do think Adams display and passion to play for LFC needs questioning. Today we lost a 2 goal lead, whats next? unless we find out the problem else it will repeat. Can Kenny sort them out soon? i Hope.. really hope..

Sad...

[Reg]

WTF is wrong with Liverpool FC ??

And why is Kenny failing to respond? Is he not dynamic enough?

Are his FOOTBALL MANAGEMENT SKILLS no better than Woy's.

2-0 and lose, Not impressed. First and foremost I blame the players. But Kenny clearly has a share in the farce.

[ycsatbjywtbiastkamb]

Kenny has final say on who comes, and who goes. And, you know what, i can almost forgive the fact that Kenny has wasted so much money, if it wasn't for the fact that he refuses to accept it. The likes of Charlie Adam should be paying to enter Anfield, not playing week in, week out.

Kenny doesn't learn from his mistakes...he just plods on.  And as Alan Hansen said on MOTD, "Liverpool are not a cup side"

so an interim manager who has just got off a cruise liner a few days before has the final say over a man that was brought in by the owners after he was recommended to them by billy `moneyball` beane specifically to implement a radical new transfer philosophy that the owners believed in because they had seen it used in baseball?

[spiceboys2014]

Whats disapointing most of all is that we are not close to our main objective, to win the league title.
Thats what annoys most fans, not that we are not winning the league, but that we are not even close.

"Progress" is the keyword;

[7_Kewell]

Kenny has final say on who comes, and who goes. And, you know what, i can almost forgive the fact that Kenny has wasted so much money, if it wasn't for the fact that he refuses to accept it. The likes of Charlie Adam should be paying to enter Anfield, not playing week in, week out.

Kenny doesn't learn from his mistakes...he just plods on.  And as Alan Hansen said on MOTD, "Liverpool are not a cup side"

so an interim manager who has just got off a cruise liner a few days before has the final say over a man that was brought in by the owners after he was recommended to them by billy `moneyball` beane specifically to implement a radical new transfer philosophy that the owners believed in because they had seen it used in baseball?

i fully accept that the board have a transfer agenda, but Kenny gets final say on who he signs. Kenny had also been tracking Carroll for a while.

It's not unlike any other club...the manager is presented with a number of players the scouts/director of Football have seen....and the manager then decides who he wants. No one held a gun to Kenny's head and forced him to sign those players....in fact, one of Kenny's demands for a new contract was a a promise that he alone decides on who signs, and who's sold

[Thommo's perm]

Whats disapointing most of all is that we are not close to our main objective, to win the league title.
Thats what annoys most fans, not that we are not winning the league, but that we are not even close.

"Progress" is the keyword;

OK I'll bite
How are we supposed to progress without the manager being given time?