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by **RedAnt** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:52 am

Well there's much more to goalkeeping than shot stopping. And all PL teams need at least two good gk's. The benefits are many. We have one average one and one untested one on a free from Bolton. Good squad planning? I don't think so. We had issues last season and could only call on Brad Jones. Jones got injured, forcing BR to recall Migs (and allowing him to pat himself on the back for his man-management skills) who performed a bit better. He's nowhere near a top four keeper though. Never will be with only Bogdan to keep him on his toes.

by **only me** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:58 am

RedAnt » Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:52 am wrote:Well there's much more to goalkeeping than shot stopping. And all PL teams need at least two good gk's. The benefits are many. We have one average one and one untested one on a free from Bolton. Good squad planning? I don't think so. We had issues last season and could only call on Brad Jones. Jones got injured, forcing BR to recall Migs (and allowing him to pat himself on the back for his man-management skills) who performed a bit better. He's nowhere near a top four keeper though. Never will be with only Bogdan to keep him on his toes.

I would have to agree with Leeory on that ,Migs isn't our problem he is a decent keeper...On the rest you are pretty much spot on...Team building ,Game preparation ,Team selection ,Motivation ,Tactics and the list goes on and on..

by **RedAnt** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:19 pm

While I'm not convinced about Migs, I'm talking about Rodgers and using merely the goalkeeping position to highlight the lack of squad planning and depth. If Migs gets injured or red carded, we'll be calling on Bogdan. And if he were to get injured...

by **number 8 ynwa** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:45 pm

leeroy74 » Mon Sep 21, 2015 11:45 am wrote:Mignolet? his stats prove he is a good keeper. All the clean sheets? all the great saves? the points he won us? so he drops a bollock yesterday and suddenly he's up for axing cos he's dog Sh*t? this is the bit I don't get about some fans. it puzzles me.

well said Leeroy.. totally agree

by **RedAnt** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 12:56 pm

Again, I ain't talking about Migs, but the managers goalkeeping options. His preparation. However, way back in Mignolets thread I said that i'd have preferred to see him as the understudy for a year or two. Bring in a better keeper and challenge Mignolet to dislodge him. It could have worked wonders for his mentality. But he's been almost an ever present, come rain or shine. I don't think Bogdan will push for his position, so Mignolet might simply become complacent and stagnate.
Just my view. If Mignolet doesn't get injured then I guess you could say it's irrelevant. I still think we might come to regret our comfort in Migs.

by **leeroy74** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:28 pm

who is out there to add to the squad then? hasn't Begovic been a load of tripe at Chelsea? the few games he's played he's conceded a bag full hasn't he? reserve goal keeper must be the hardest position to fill. As a reserve goalie your waiting for 1 player to have an injury then you might get 3 games. thank less task

by **RedAnt** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:34 pm

leeroy74 » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:28 pm wrote:who is out there to add to the squad then? hasn't Begovic been a load of tripe at Chelsea? the few games he's played he's conceded a bag full hasn't he? reserve goal keeper must be the hardest position to fill. As a reserve goalie your waiting for 1 player to have an injury then you might get 3 games. thank less task

I'd have kept Reina and let Migs learn from him. We'd maybe have a more solid Mignolet now. Who knows?

by **Reg** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 2:55 pm

That's why we pay a goalkeeper coach. Pepe would cost 40-50k a week and a GK coach 100k per year. Economics......

by **RedAnt** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:08 pm

Reg » Mon Sep 21, 2015 1:55 pm wrote:That's why we pay a goalkeeper coach. Pepe would cost 40-50k a week and a GK coach 100k per year. Economics......

Except of course the GK coach wouldn't be in the first team squad.

by **RedAnt** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:15 pm

Reina suited us. The fans liked him. He's a darn good keeper too. Better than Mignolet. We should have kept him. Let Mignolet be understudy for a few seasons and learn about commanding the box, distrubution, coming for corners. Reina has a stronger character. He's more vocal. These are things Migs lacks and he would hopefully pick some of them up by playing under Pepe. I see Mignolet as a downgrade. Much like replacing Gerrard with Milner, or Suarez with Lambert. Look throughout the team. Despite all the money spent we've gone backwards and lack squad depth. It's insanity. I could go on and on, but the fact that Mignolet is our only PL quality 'keeper, and probably not top five quality emphasises it all pretty well.

by **Doeboy** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:26 pm

Mignolet is way behind the likes of De Gea, Lloris,Cech, Courtouis, Begovic and even Hart IMO. Just doesn't command his area well at all
Good shot stopper but his all round game is not good enough. Nowhere near Reina's level

by **johnbarnes** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:39 pm

Is it over yet? Has he gone now? Is it safe to come back?

by **ycsatbjywtbiastkamb** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 3:53 pm

Well to be fair it was Reina who pretty much engineered his own exit from here when he was dropping hints left right and centre that he wanted to f[uc]k off to Barcelona, it was only when Valdez announced that he was staying on another year that Reina started to backtrack a bit, by that time though we'd already agreed a deal with Mingolet.
Reina's comments about Rafa being the best manager he'd ever worked with obviously pi[ss]ed Brendan off too.
Maybe Brendan should have been a bit more pragmatic though, imo Mingolet is probably a better shot stopper than Reina but the style of footy we play almost demands that we have a keeper who is comfortable with his feet.
It's not that Mingolet is a bad keeper, he isnt, it's just that stylistically he's probably not the best match for us.

by **RED BEERGOGGLES** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 4:44 pm

I think the goal we conceded yesterday could have easily been avoided if Skrtel wasn't too preoccupied with grappling with Bassong rather than cutting out the original corner. I think its too easy to throw all the onus on Miggerz for punching the ball out ,because if the defence had defended the corner more efficiently the scenario of the keeper being forced to clear his lines would not have arisen.

In truth we are awful at defending corners and the responsibility for conceding should be shared equally with those tasked with clearing the danger.

by **supersub** » Mon Sep 21, 2015 7:35 pm

I don't put the whole blame on Mignolet either....... why do we need every player in the box at corners? why mark space and not a player...how many goals have spaced scored from corners compared to players...is Rodgers Sh*t or just a f*cking knobhead

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