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[el_stinger]

It was of my opinion that you were floating around still reading up on the topic you started, and it was of my opinion that you must have felt like an idiot for starting your own controversy. I was retorting your original post. That is all.

I just got a PM from Lionheart, saying that he has been floating invisibly around the forum and reading the responses that were made on this thread. It seems he's a bit embarrassed by his original post and thought that he'd like to blame my responses to his thread as the sole reason why he won't be back on this forum.

but you said earlier as i have highlighted here your comments, that lionheart told you he was floating around reading the posts, now you are saying you assumed he was floating around despite earlier saying he told you this.

mate you are liar of the lowest order changing facts to suit your argument. if anyone should be ashamed here it is you for such a low act

Well, in the end he was. But anyway, I read what I wanted to read and yes, reading back on it now I have made a mistake. Apologies.

Let's move on huh.

[83-1165214211]

You're a bandwagon glory hunting OOTER! Enough said on the matter... Next...

and you are a fucking prick and will hopefully be banned again asap

Up yours ya little penile infection.

[83-1165214211]

Infact "peewee", I don't know why the am replyin to you, lets be honest, you don't know me, ya never will, av never noticed you on here before which kind of says it all.

Next...?

[83-1165214211]

There is no hiding the fact that our league form has been terrible.

I thought we'd finish above Manu.

It wouldn't surprise me if Rafa now dropped Bellamy for the next game and played somebody else - his stupid belief in rotation is his big fault, the team is so unsettled.

However, a season should be judged in May, not now. An FA cup win a league cup final appearance aren't worth too much to me, I think the Champions league win buys him time. Provided we finish top 4 every season, Rafa should have another 2.5 years.

I agree in principle, but how you can say winning cups doesn't mean anything to you is simply beyond me.

Infact, I'd also describe that as embarressing.

[BOODIDDY]

a forum for lfc fans but we fight amongst each other more thn any other forum. Its the scousers vs the out of towners!

[83-1165214211]

a forum for lfc fans but we fight amongst each other more thn any other forum. Its the scousers vs the out of towners!

Is there any fuckin wonder with like this being posted?

We've got the best coach in world football and soon to be one of the best managers and people want him sacked because he's had a bad 8 games or so.

Why don't we sell Gerrard and Alonso aswell ay? I mean both of them have had at least 6 or 7 poor games this season.

I mean, Rafa, Alonso and Gerrard can be replaced nice an easy can't they.

[Big Niall]

There is no hiding the fact that our league form has been terrible.

I thought we'd finish above Manu.

It wouldn't surprise me if Rafa now dropped Bellamy for the next game and played somebody else - his stupid belief in rotation is his big fault, the team is so unsettled.

However, a season should be judged in May, not now. An FA cup win a league cup final appearance aren't worth too much to me, I think the Champions league win buys him time. Provided we finish top 4 every season, Rafa should have another 2.5 years.

I agree in principle, but how you can say winning cups doesn't mean anything to you is simply beyond me.

Infact, I'd also describe that as embarressing.

I guess I don't rate cups as a way of monitoring progress. A good day no doubt (West Ham game was great) but I don't think we are a better team for winning the penalties than if we lost on them.

My point is that I don't think winning the FA cup is a sign of progress - Coventry, Wimbledon etc have won it.

The league is how you judge a team. As I said, finish top 4 every season and we'll see where we are in 2.5 years.

[crossy11]

Why is there so much argueing? My thought on the subject is that Rafa is fine as he is and can push us up.

[RedorDead]

I've only read a couple of pages here and while I do not at all agree with Lionheart's initial post he does not deserve to be pounded like he has on here. I hardly ever post on these pages anymore as so many posts end up in slagging matches. I want to read well thought out posts and opinions from anyone who has one...I don't care if they're a toffee with a valid point to make (I am well aware such a thing may not exist!!) or they are 40 year Liverpool fan raised within earshot of the Kop, if they put across their points in a sound and non offensive way then it is valid.
There are so many good posters on here but in recent times you have to search through pages of arguments to find their points.
My rant is over and sorry if this is the wrong place for it. Walk On

[112-1077774096]

Infact "peewee", I don't know why the am replyin to you, lets be honest, you don't know me, ya never will, av never noticed you on here before which kind of says it all.

Next...?

you should have noticed, i am the poster who takes the rip out of you for telling people you are are policeman, when in fact you actually work in a call centre     

sad b@stard, you will be telling us all your in the SAS next.


walter mitty, get a life you racist pr1ck.


ps do you really think i care if you have never noticed me, sad b@stard

[Lando_Griffin]

I just want to clarify a few things...

My first post (if you like to read it again) clearly states that I felt for Rafa. It wasn't a 'get Rafa out, he's fu.cking hopeless and has no idea about football' (I'm not qualified to be Rafa's bootlace in terms of coaching knowledge). But I am entitled to express my concerns and frustrations...I did say I wanted to get something off my chest. So it's probably as much a winge as anything else.

What I objected to most was being called a bandwaggoner and an embarressment by some prat who has NOT CONSEAVABLE IDEA about how I feel about LFC. To suggest otherwise is just egostistical...

There were plenty of people who objected to my post because they thought Rafa was doing a great job. They are perfectly entitiled to disagree but surely we are mature enough to 'DISCUSS' our objections toward the coach or another poster without the need to abuse and belittle. Geez, even Lando can do this and he and I have had some doozy blues in the past. There are plenty of posts on here that I have disagreed with and except where someone has been racist or derrogatory toward a certain group, I have either raised my point in a 'rational' way or said nothing at all. The world is big enough that we can have a number of opinions. As I stated in my PM to Stinger, I'm not egotistical enough to think that my opinion is the only one that is valid (it can be wrong in other's opinion but it IS valid). I EXPECTED people to disagree with me but I didn't expect to be berrated and belittled. Poor form.

Maybe I am being too sensitive but so would anyone when they had just lost their Dad (5 days ago)...& I fu.cking hate having to tell some of you people this because frankly it's none of your god damn business, but I must so people don't misunderstand and then flame me for being a winger and winer or too soft, or whatever. So if I am being hypersensitive now you know why.     

Personally I do not have any qualms about Rafa. He IS a brilliant coach, but I am getting the distinct feeling things are/were starting to go bad. He looked TERRIBLE and STRESSED out of his brain and I frankly felt terribly sorry for him. I wanted him to go because I didn't want him to drop dead on the side line or for things to get soooo bad that his reputation was going to become irrepairably damaged where he's be forced to go to some backwater to rebuild something that he could maintain if he'd walked away.

I still feel that he has problems with the English style of game but some very good points have been raised and I am beginning to think that I may be incorrect in my initial assessment. Time will tell I guess

Who'd replace him if he went?? Fu.ck knows!!! I wouldn't have a clue. I didn't even consider Rafa BEFORE Rafa, so how could I anticipate a new boss. You want other reasons for Rafa to go?? There aren't any from my point...I just want to see LFC go from strength to strength and as I see LFC as bigger than any one person, it doesn't much concern me who has to be sacrificed to achieve that aim. So yeah, there is probably a bit of frustration in my first post too, and it's sad when someone can't express their fristration/disappointment without getting slammed for it. It's my opinion, I'm entitled to it, but I sure as hell won't post it here in future

I also feel as though I must defend myself as a Reds supporter. I have supported LFC since I was a 6 year old, when I was forced to watch the English games a week or two after they were played and the film had arrived in Oz. I cut my teeth on the greats. I haven't supported any other team. It didn't matter to me whether we won or lost, I was glued to the crack in my bedroom door to watch Emlyn Hughes (I used to dream he was my Dad as we share surnames). My Dad knew that I was out of bed and peeking through the crack in the door, because he'd hear my gasps when we went close to scoring or hear my stiffled cheers when we scored...but he allowed me this wonderful priviledge of watching my heros. He also knew I'd watched the games because I'd play out the game from the night before in the backyard games. No, I've been Red since 1965 and I anticipate that would be longer than most of the forum members have been alive. So I detest, the like of Barry, El Stinger or Leon suggesting I am anything other than a Red supporter.

Stinger, you are far less than honest. I didn't send you a PM that claimed,

I just got a PM from Lionheart, saying that he has been floating invisibly around the forum and reading the responses that were made on this thread. It seems he's a bit embarrassed by his original post...

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Today is the first time I have been back on since sending you and Barry a PM...and I didn't read any of the posts at that time. In fact I'm floored that my statements have been taken so far out of context & created such controversy. I sure as hell didn't say anything of the sort to you Stinger. Maybe you need to apologise to the other forum members. The quote you posted was the only words I sent to you...nothing more, nothing less.

So my opinion is wrong if you survey the majority of posters. Fair enough. I'm wrong...  I was REALLY chuffed to see the win on Saturday night and really impressed with the players & Rafa with his selections. I do so hope it can continue. I want the Red on the up and up. I want to see them take every God Damn trophy on offer in England and Europe. Nothing would give me greater pride. Will they do it?? I hope so. I don't know but then I'm in the same boat as you lot. None of us know...we hope though!!

I'm done...this post has proven to me that I have no place on this forum other than we share the love for our REDS.

Thanks to all the posters that I have had really good discussions (and arguements) with over the years. I hold dear people such as Laza, Judge, Aussiekopite, NZ Kopite, Peewee, Babu, JMac, Woof, Lando, Ciggy, Saint, etc. (I'm sure there are others I've forget to mention so please forgive me)

Best wishes to you and your families for a happy christmas and a safe and prosperous new year!!


YOU'LL NEVER WALK ALONE

Fair enough LH.

Sorry to hear about your dad.

May I suggest a sabbatical, rather than a complete escape?

Think about it before you make any rash decisions.

[RedBlood]

Although im not going to slag sum1 off for giving an opion i 100% disagree with anybody suggesting LiverpoolFC would benifit from not having Rafa around. He saved this club in my opion after Houllier left it in such a bad way. He has brought pride and belief back to this club with the sucess he has had in so little time. Imagine what he could acheive if this buyout goes through without 1 hand tied behind his back. I will always respect and trust Rafa:D

[83-1165214211]

Infact "peewee", I don't know why the am replyin to you, lets be honest, you don't know me, ya never will, av never noticed you on here before which kind of says it all.

Next...?

you should have noticed, i am the poster who takes the rip out of you for telling people you are are policeman, when in fact you actually work in a call centre     

sad b@stard, you will be telling us all your in the SAS next.


walter mitty, get a life you racist pr1ck.


ps do you really think i care if you have never noticed me, sad b@stard

Thanks for the interest in my personal life... but ya still don't know what ya talking about.

[Ciggy]

Sorry to hear about your dad LH.


Can this topic be put to bed now.

Its only the internet no need for people to get wound up so much really and it is a forum for dissgussion and opinions, I thought when we lost Phil the name calling and petty arguments would stop obviously not.

[Mannyk]

You're a bandwagon glory hunting OOTER! Enough said on the matter... Next...

and you are a fucking prick and will hopefully be banned again asap

Agree