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[god_bless_john_houlding]

become a Club that USED to win things

Thats what we are mate.....we haven't won anything since 2006 and we are not likely to in the forseeable future unless changes are made.

Spot on, S@int.

And it's not just the manager. It's a lot of other factors that have contributed to our downfall. This is what annoys me.

its been that way for 18 years.

Forget the Fa Cups, LEague Cups and European Cups (Wafer and CL) then hey ?

Jesus Christ lad.

You forgot the super cups and charity shields, after all to Benitez they're massively important trophies to win.

It never stopped you including them amongst Geds haul 

I included them because Benitez included them as a big up for his reign. I was pointing out if they counted for Benitez, then they did for Houllier.

I still don't think they're any trophies to take pride in winning.

You use the 'Houllier won more cups than Rafa' argument against those who support Rafa, you tried to legitimise that as a point in itself, yet now, you're willing to distinguish between 'cups'. Before, there was no distinction.


Unfu.ckin.gbeliev.able

It doesn't matter if I include them Houllier still won than Benitez. But since Benitez decided to include them in his trophy cabinet, I'll include them to show Houllier won them as well.

Still doesn't mean I take pride in them.

Houllier: League Cups in 01 and 03, FA Cup in 01 UEFA Cup in 01

Benitez: European Cup 05, FA Cup 06

If I include the Charity Shield and Super Cup it still reads Houllier winning two more trophies than Benitez. Doesn't matter if I include them or not.

[LFC2007]

become a Club that USED to win things

Thats what we are mate.....we haven't won anything since 2006 and we are not likely to in the forseeable future unless changes are made.

Spot on, S@int.

And it's not just the manager. It's a lot of other factors that have contributed to our downfall. This is what annoys me.

its been that way for 18 years.

Forget the Fa Cups, LEague Cups and European Cups (Wafer and CL) then hey ?

Jesus Christ lad.

You forgot the super cups and charity shields, after all to Benitez they're massively important trophies to win.

It never stopped you including them amongst Geds haul 

I included them because Benitez included them as a big up for his reign. I was pointing out if they counted for Benitez, then they did for Houllier.

I still don't think they're any trophies to take pride in winning.

You use the 'Houllier won more cups than Rafa' argument against those who support Rafa, you tried to legitimise that as a point in itself, yet now, you're willing to distinguish between 'cups'. Before, there was no distinction.


Unfu.ckin.gbeliev.able

It doesn't matter if I include them Houllier still won than Benitez. But since Benitez decided to include them in his trophy cabinet, I'll include them to show Houllier won them as well.

Still doesn't mean I take pride in them.

No, you used the A CUP IS A CUP IS A CUP argument as an indictment AGAINST Rafa and as an endorsement for Houllier.

If you ever use it again, I'll fu.ckin.....



































send Nanny red over to sort you out

[god_bless_john_houlding]

become a Club that USED to win things

Thats what we are mate.....we haven't won anything since 2006 and we are not likely to in the forseeable future unless changes are made.

Spot on, S@int.

And it's not just the manager. It's a lot of other factors that have contributed to our downfall. This is what annoys me.

its been that way for 18 years.

Forget the Fa Cups, LEague Cups and European Cups (Wafer and CL) then hey ?

Jesus Christ lad.

You forgot the super cups and charity shields, after all to Benitez they're massively important trophies to win.

It never stopped you including them amongst Geds haul 

I included them because Benitez included them as a big up for his reign. I was pointing out if they counted for Benitez, then they did for Houllier.

I still don't think they're any trophies to take pride in winning.

You use the 'Houllier won more cups than Rafa' argument against those who support Rafa, you tried to legitimise that as a point in itself, yet now, you're willing to distinguish between 'cups'. Before, there was no distinction.


Unfu.ckin.gbeliev.able

It doesn't matter if I include them Houllier still won than Benitez. But since Benitez decided to include them in his trophy cabinet, I'll include them to show Houllier won them as well.

Still doesn't mean I take pride in them.

No, you used the A CUP IS A CUP IS A CUP argument as an indictment AGAINST Rafa and as an endorsement for Houllier.

If you ever mention it again, I'll fu.ckin.....



































send Nanny red over to sort you out

Where did I use it as a cup is a cup. My point is Houllier won more, with or without the charity shield and super cup.

But since Benitez thinks they're vital trophies, I was showing that Houllier won them as well.

And Nanny can come sort me out anytime she likes 

[LFC2007]

Exactly, you use the Houllier won more cups argument to justify that he achieved just as much as Rafa.

The fact is, a UCL win dwarfs anything Houllier won.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

So saying that, does it "dwarf" any cup competition Shankly won? Or maybe the 86 FA Cup against Everton which gave us our first and only double?

[LFC2007]

So saying that, does it "dwarf" any cup competition Shankly won? Or maybe the 86 FA Cup against Everton which gave us our first and only double?

Yes.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Bollox.

[NANNY RED]

become a Club that USED to win things

Thats what we are mate.....we haven't won anything since 2006 and we are not likely to in the forseeable future unless changes are made.

Spot on, S@int.

And it's not just the manager. It's a lot of other factors that have contributed to our downfall. This is what annoys me.

its been that way for 18 years.

Forget the Fa Cups, LEague Cups and European Cups (Wafer and CL) then hey ?

Jesus Christ lad.

You forgot the super cups and charity shields, after all to Benitez they're massively important trophies to win.

It never stopped you including them amongst Geds haul 

I included them because Benitez included them as a big up for his reign. I was pointing out if they counted for Benitez, then they did for Houllier.

I still don't think they're any trophies to take pride in winning.

You use the 'Houllier won more cups than Rafa' argument against those who support Rafa, you tried to legitimise that as a point in itself, yet now, you're willing to distinguish between 'cups'. Before, there was no distinction.


Unfu.ckin.gbeliev.able

It doesn't matter if I include them Houllier still won than Benitez. But since Benitez decided to include them in his trophy cabinet, I'll include them to show Houllier won them as well.

Still doesn't mean I take pride in them.

No, you used the A CUP IS A CUP IS A CUP argument as an indictment AGAINST Rafa and as an endorsement for Houllier.

If you ever mention it again, I'll fu.ckin.....



































send Nanny red over to sort you out

Where did I use it as a cup is a cup. My point is Houllier won more, with or without the charity shield and super cup.

But since Benitez thinks they're vital trophies, I was showing that Houllier won them as well.

And Nanny can come sort me out anytime she likes 

cough im here yeh know behave you warrented a smack off me last night i havnt forgotten

[god_bless_john_houlding]

If you ever mention it again, I'll fu.ckin.....



































send Nanny red over to sort you out

Where did I use it as a cup is a cup. My point is Houllier won more, with or without the charity shield and super cup.

But since Benitez thinks they're vital trophies, I was showing that Houllier won them as well.

And Nanny can come sort me out anytime she likes  [/quote]
cough im here yeh know behave you warrented a smack off me last night i havnt forgotten [/quote]
I know Nanny, I'm waiting and looking forward to it.

Am I picking you up at Lime Street as usual, and is it the usual price 

[NANNY RED]

Your gonna need More than Money cause you cant buy CLASS

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Your gonna need More than Money cause you cant buy CLASS

What did we get Torres with then, postage stamps?

And I've heard the stories about you bingo girls, right goers I hear, hardly class there is it love 

[Emerald Red]

Your gonna need More than Money cause you cant buy CLASS

What did we get Torres with then, postage stamps?

No. Rafa's negotiating silver tongue.

[NANNY RED]

IT all depends which Bingo you go

[god_bless_john_houlding]

MECCA all the way nanny on park road

[JohnBull]

This is all getting really silly lads.

The backroom problems have to be addressed and why highly paid staff haven't got the sense to look at the American sites covering G&Hs rapes of other teams before coming to a deal with them has me looking for a lot of brown envelopes passing hands.

None of this justifies the team selections and tactics used in some games by Raffa. I'm even starting to believe that he is looking for the sack and the big pay off. After all he is the manager who threw the towel in a Reading. The first time I've ever seen a Liverpool team do that !

He must go, irrespective of the Inter games and the replacement has to be some one of stature. It needs a strong boss back at the helm and not someone who's going to spit his dummy out when things don't go just right.

This situation is not so far removed from Raffa's last days at Valencia.