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[matrix]

hmmm its just said on ssn that paco wont be leavin afterall. they report that he will return to the squad next week as rafa bentiez only advised him to take a week away from the club after the "rift"

sorry i cant post any visable evidance but thought you would like to know! its shocked me when i heared!

mmm,   not sure what's  going on here,  if he stays i will be happy,  11 years is a long time working together maybe they have had a few wars over that period.  tbc   

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Isn't Pako a Basque like Alonso Sabre?

[Sabre]

Isn't Pako a Basque like Alonso Sabre?

Yes he is, from a small town near San Sebastian. I know a close friend of him, and I appreciate him yeh. That's why it would be a massive dissapointment if he went to Chelsea, I wouldn't appreciate him that much! 

But when it comes to value his level, it's not my opinion, but the opinion of everybody in Spain.

[kunilson]

pako leaving or maybe not? pako to be replaced by paco?

its a bit confusing, and speculation forms all the opinions being passed like wind on here because no-one really knows what happened...

think its best to sit back and see what happens, but hey i guess something needed to fill the time during this international break

[account deleted by request]

Isn't Pako a Basque like Alonso Sabre?

Yes he is, from a small town near San Sebastian. I know a close friend of him, and I appreciate him yeh. That's why it would be a massive dissapointment if he went to Chelsea, I wouldn't appreciate him that much! 

But when it comes to value his level, it's not my opinion, but the opinion of everybody in Spain.

I was just wondering if the rumours over Alonso leaving and Pako supposedly(?) applying for other jobs were connected (pre-season), and whether it could now have an adverse effect on Alonso staying (if they are big mates?)

[Sabre]

No, Pako like most good people wasn't prophet in his own land and was away of Alonso's former clubs. The only reason that Alonso left San Sebastian was to move to a big club, and the only reason that he discarded Madrid, was that Liverpool has more reputation, I don't think they knew each other too personally. Alonso was a personal bet of Rafa, AFAICT.

[red37]

Come back Pako!  there is no green grass. 

[jaytoothetee]

got to disagree with you wilhelmsson. if pako has left us to join chelsea, then he is a cunt. especially as he is supposed to be a very good friend of rafa's.

i do agree with you about not listening to the rumours though. personally i think it is all bo.llocks. it's just typical stirring journalism.

How many people on here disagreed with the Heinze situation? I was told to be quiet when I took exception to the rumours, I was told by many members, and it was the perfect deal for Liverpool’s LB ‘problem’ and the Heinze believed Liverpool was his perfect destination.

Now the shoe lies well and truly on the other foot I guess some Liverpool fans do not like it? Perhaps Chelsea is the ideal destination for Paco and maybe Chelsea feel Paco can fill a void, whatever his decision, I like the man and wish him all the best.

don't think it is comparable to the heinze situation. he was at united for only 3 years, and his loyalty to them lay in only a professional basis. on the other hand rafa and pako have worked together for over a decade, and he is apparently a very close friend of the gaffer. imo pako would be well out of order to leave for our rivals because of a falling out over tactics. i would expect pako to feel more personal loyalty towards rafa than he has apparently shown.
still, all can be forgiven if kop11 is right and he is staying.  .

[JC_81]

Don't see why people are getting so excited about this to be honest.  FFS it's only the fitness coach who has left.  I know his official role was 'assistant manager', but I seriously doubt he had anything to do with tactics or decisions about new signings.  Benitez strikes me as the type who'd assume complete control of those areas.  I'm sure there are hundreds of people just as qualified and as good at filling the fitness coach's role as Ayesteran.  IMO if it pi.ssed him off that Rafa changed the pre-season schedule then tough, so far Benitez's decision looks to be the right one.  I don't think this change in the back-room staff will make any difference to our chances of silverware this season.

As for Ayesteran being linked with Chelsea and United, so what?  As far as I'm concerned there doesn't look to be anything wrong with the conditioning of the players from those two clubs - both have won the league recently showing great stamina and consistency in their performances.  What's Ayesteran realistically going to be able to add to that?  Feck all I suspect.  I've not personally watched Ayesteran in action at Melwood, but if he truly was the training ground wizzard that some are making out then I'm sure Benitez would have moved quickly to prevent their disagreements spiralling out of control before now.

It has been apparent for a long time that the person Benitez consults regarding tactics on the Liverpool bench is Alex Miller.  You never saw him talking to Ayesteran during games, it was always Miller, which I always found odd considering Ayesteran's title was 'assistant manager'.

Firstly, happy birthday again 

Second, it's true that most of the chat of Rafa during a match is with Miller. It's also true that Pako was the man that explained to the player before getting up from the bench what he wanted of him.

Pako as far as I can tell was the one who spotted Sissoko, Fabio Aurelio, and Mark Gonzalez, I mean when they were absolutely nobody, before Liverpool and Valencia. And he also prepares all the training planning, and kept track of rotations in players. He's aswell a fitness coach, and he is advisor of a few profesional cyclists, apart from having all the diplomas as a coach. I dunno up there, but there are not many as qualified as him down here.

Leaving to Chelsea is something unlikely IMHO, and it would be a sentimental blow to me, as I didn't only see Pako as a man of Rafa, but a man of the club. Plus, I don't want in the ranks of Chelsea a man that knows well our weakspots.

IMHO the cameras are put only in the big men like Rafa, Wenger or Mou, but this background staff is also important in the success.

If he eventually stays, that would be a very typical Spanish attitude (big angryness then calm down) and I'd be very happy.

Cheers Sabre, the birthday hangover hasn't cleared yet unfortunately though!

I have nothing against Ayesteran, but my point is I reckon there are plenty of coaches around who we could get that would do just as good a job.  If he stays then fine, if he goes I'll not lose any sleep.

[Aaron]

Also if Paco left for one of our rivals he's be able to give an insight to their manager on how we work, our strengths and weaknesses.

[Reg]

The only comment I would make of any relevance is that Shanks nor Paisley ever lost backroom staff of note. The skill of the manager is also to gel his backroom team as much as the players, I'm surprised Paco jumped ship because it must have been blindlingly clear that Liverpool were now gelling but he still chose to jump ship. THAT to me, is strange from both their sides.

[Wilhelmsson]

don't think it is comparable to the heinze situation. he was at united for only 3 years, and his loyalty to them lay in only a professional basis. on the other hand rafa and pako have worked together for over a decade, and he is apparently a very close friend of the gaffer. imo pako would be well out of order to leave for our rivals because of a falling out over tactics. i would expect pako to feel more personal loyalty towards rafa than he has apparently shown.
still, all can be forgiven if kop11 is right and he is staying.  .

I feel the Paco ‘situation’ and the Heinze situation are very similar, I can only imagine those who refuse to accept the similarity between the two affairs are trying to a) cover up their denial of being hypocritical b) have finally realised the shoe is well and truly on the other foot.

Paco is friends with Benitez and has little obligation to Liverpool other than being an assistant manager. Paco was born and raised in Northern Spain, not Liverpool. If Paco wants to head to Stamford Bridge and work alongside Mourinho, then this is his prerogative and he is entitled to do so IMO.

Also who is to say Paco has actually fallen out with Rafa? Paco might want to pursue a managerial career of his own. For all us fans know, the media could be putting a typical sensationalist spin on events. There is little evidence (from what I have seen) which suggests Rafa and Paco have fallen out over disagreement with tactics/formations/training regimes etc.

If Paco, stays then he stays, if he leaves then he leaves the club, I won’t lose much sleep over it, after all the likes of Shankly, Paisley and Fagan have left Liverpool and the club remains in tact and progressing well under Rafa Benitez.

[Wilhelmsson]

Also if Paco left for one of our rivals he's be able to give an insight to their manager on how we work, our strengths and weaknesses.

I hardly think that achieves a lot considering managers attend games with their assistants or a manager sends out their scouts to watch matches and scribble down notes on the upcoming fixture with that particular team.

[The Manhattan Project]

Former Valencia trainer Paco de Miguel looks set to takeover as Rafa Benitez's number 2 after the "surprise" departure of Pako Ayesteran

Why are all these dudes called "Paco?"

[el_stinger]

Former Valencia trainer Paco de Miguel looks set to takeover as Rafa Benitez's number 2 after the "surprise" departure of Pako Ayesteran

Why are all these dudes called "Paco?"

Why are all anglo's called Peter?