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What the f.uck are we talking about here.  

[Bammo]

I voted third although I probably should have gone for other permutation (my fault for not reading the choices fully!).

Realistically I'd want 2nd but I'd rather us 3rd and only a few points off the leaders than 2nd and 15+ points away.

Quite simply, I want to see a points improvement each season 

[babu]

What the f.uck are we talking about here.  

[account deleted by request]

What the f.uck are we talking about here.  

I thought we were supposed to be backing our new buddy up in arguments. I'm going to be very busy 

[Sabre]

I had 3 years of learning about Liverpool in this forum, and then suddenly I had 5 months of fight. With perspective I think the first 3 years were very interesting, where as to fight in your third language answering to insults you really don't understand is not funny. So no, don't count on me for a Royal Rumble, I had enough of that.

Ciggy says about the strikers:

Would explain why they get rotated, dropped or what ever you want to call it, and secondly Kuyt is played out of position and is finding it very hard to be scoring on a regular basis.

I agree, the amount of work that Rafa makes the strikers doing, doesn't help they shine as strikers. I rate both Kuyt and Morientes when he was here, but they were "sacrificed" for the benefit of the team.

But I think they're rotated because Rafa thinks each of them had different attributes and uses them depending on the game.

[bigmick]

1962 Second Division champions
1964 First Division champions


Took him 5 years to win the league in a much easier climate.

Now shut it.

Apologies if somebody already pointed this out but that must be a typo Lando surely? How can the "climate" be easier when we were in the second division when he took over? 

[Sabre]

1962 Second Division champions
1964 First Division champions


Took him 5 years to win the league in a much easier climate.

Now shut it.

Apologies if somebody already pointed this out but that must be a typo Lando surely? How can the "climate" be easier when we were in the second division when he took over? 

Even if he took over the club from conference leagues the climate would be easier than Spain, the country in which a team can have 5 coaches a season.

We sack coaches here as easily as you throw a fart. 

[LFC2007]

1962 Second Division champions
1964 First Division champions


Took him 5 years to win the league in a much easier climate.

Now shut it.

Apologies if somebody already pointed this out but that must be a typo Lando surely? How can the "climate" be easier when we were in the second division when he took over? 

It was warmer back then.

[JohnBull]

As someone who was there in the Boys Pen when Shanks came and who was able to walk into Melwood and watch the training (you could in those days) and saw a bunch of in the board room do everything they could to undermine him. The idea of anyone underestimating the brilliance of Shankly beggers belief.

There is no manager around today who could compare with the man. We were going nowhere season after season and he turned us round by getting the best out of players just by the power of his man management.

Lando the shallowness of your knowledge of this team makes me wonder why you watch us. Some of us still remember players being 100% genuine on and off the pitch. The legacy of Shanks took us into the 90s when the phonies came in. The same man turning up today would do it again and even todays millionaires would die for him.

[The Manhattan Project]

1- At least semi-finals of the Champions League.

2- Top three in Premiership.

3- Victory in either FA or Carling Cups.

[bigmick]

The measure of this team is how we go in the Premeirship, nothing more and nothing less this season. Doesn't mean we've got to win it, because nobody knows for sure how we good we are yet. We need though to be achieving an end position and points total which is a fair indication of how good we are. Over achievement would be great, finishing "about where we belong" would do, another season of under achievement in the League though would be hard to take. My suspicio at this stage is that we ought to be within a couple of wins of winning it when the the points are counted up.

[The Grudge]

The measure of this team is how we go in the Premeirship, nothing more and nothing less this season. Doesn't mean we've got to win it, because nobody knows for sure how we good we are yet. We need though to be achieving an end position and points total which is a fair indication of how good we are. Over achievement would be great, finishing "about where we belong" would do, another season of under achievement in the League though would be hard to take. My suspicio at this stage is that we ought to be within a couple of wins of winning it when the the points are counted up.

Then can we blame the refs that robbed us in the early season with cruel penalty decisions rather than Rafa and rotation if we are so close?
Or should we set out every season with 10% unforseen points dropping allowance and tell the players that inspite of how rotation effects them other factors can actually cost points!

Im sure you know what i mean although it is a joke!

[roberto green]

I just want to get back that early season form because it kind of had a feeling i havent remembered since we last won the league(when i was a kid) but sadly we have been brought back down to earth and with the mancs now on a run without really getting going you just sense they will get better and how i fuk"ng hate that.

[Owzat]

Half the votes for a second placed finish which I agree should be the minimum target if not requirement. He's spent plenty, plenty on players who came and went and while we are third in terms of spending we can't hide behind that as an excuse. Rafa came in, knew the limitations he was likely to face financially compared with Chelski and the mancs, and he has to be aiming at winning the title. I feel his success in the Champions League has made this harder because it's now a distraction and you have to wonder if some of his signings are "multi purpose" - bought with the Champions League in mind as much as the Premiership.

But when we talk of spending what has actually changed? Finnan, Carra, Hyypia and Riise were already here so that's a back four that he had to start with and has added to but we still have the foundations of. He still has Gerrard as well so must of his spending has been on midfield and attack, of which quite a few of these signings should now be settled - Alonso, Reina, Crouch, Agger, Sissoko, Kuyt to add to the players who were here already in Gerrard, Carra, Riise, Finnan and Hyypia.

What makes me laugh is Jol has a back five that cost over £22m and that's more than Carra , Riise £4.6m, Agger £5.8m, Finnan £3.5m and Reina £6m cost. Throw in Arbeloa and it's even cheaper! I heard the spudz xmas party has been cancelled because Jol couldn't organise the p1 ss up at the brewery

[LittleHobo]

i voted top 2

but i would be satisfied with 3rd if it was real close

i just want us to be real contenders again in the prem

if we finish 20 odd points behind again then rafa must go