Liverpool FC Forum

[bigmick]

I know I'll get called allsorts but feck it I'm bored. Just say these "oil rich ogliarchs" (they always use that word but feck knows what it means) took over, would Rafa be the right man to spend all the wonga? If we were genuinely able to compete for the Kaka's, the Robhinho's, the Ronaldhino's, indeed any O's instead of Ronaldo's, would that be for Rafa?

Would he relish the thought of opening the cheque book and going for the quick kill, splashing the cash with gay abandon or is he more of a build it from the bottom type of guy? Could he call time on his project so far, jettisoning the more workmanlike players he has put together and go all out for a radical rebuilding job designed to get instant success.

Some managers would relish the chance to put together a superstar team, some wouldn't. Does the Valencia example become less relavent if you can actually compete for the best players in the World? Would Rafa be the right man to handle all the ego's? Who knows.

[SupitsJonF]

Id want a quality LB, RW, and a few positions that needed a back up.  (RB, rw, lw, striker).  I dont need super stars, just quality players.  Even with all the money in the world, I'd rather see a new stadium, no debt, financially secure, and targets that are bought for the right (not inflated price) that dont play for money but the club.

kaka, ibra, ronaldo, messi.

Maybe villa or aguero though 

I'd want to see what Rafa would do with a season of money.  I'll be honest, I didn't really read the question 

[Effes]

I think he deserves a crack.

I also dont think he deserves to have his position questioned yet.

Let's not jump the gun.

[The_Rock]

If the kuwaities did take us over...., Who would be the best manager?

one word..........mourinho.

He is a d1ckhead....but if u want the league ...he is the man.

[Bretc]

No offence to Rafa but I'll go for Mourinho. Yes, he's an a@@hole and has a foul mouth but he gets the job done. Just my personal opinion, there's no right or wrong answer, just answering the question.

[bigmick]

I also dont think he deserves to have his position questioned yet.

Let's not jump the gun.

I'm not really trying to question the managers position Eff', it's just a bit of a knockabout thread in a quiet moment. It probably leads onto a thought that people often say it's easy to win everything if you have a ton of money. It's certainly easyER, but there have been a few managers who've had plenty of cash and haven't really made the best use of it. Some managers appear to be better with less superstars in the team whereas others crave the limelight.

Mark Hughes would appear to be a good example of a good young manager who performed wonders while under budgetry constraints, but now he's got a few quid it looks like he's just spending for spending sake sometimes. He spent 19 million quid on a striker in the Summer for instance who looks like a complete waste of money.

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Mark Hughes would appear to be a good example of a good young manager who performed wonders while under budgetry constraints, but now he's got a few quid it looks like he's just spending for spending sake sometimes. He spent 19 million quid on a striker in the Summer for instance who looks like a complete waste of money.

Safer not to go down that particular route mate, you never know what comparison it could lead to 

[Owzat]

Only one man for the job - S@int, S@int, S@int, S@int, S@int, S@int, S@int, S@int, S@int, S@int!

[Judge]

owzat - the stats say thats 10

[spion]

Fingers crossed that the Americans sell. Then we can talk dream signings.

[andy_g]

i think that, if it were to happen, he should be given a go at building the team with exactly the players he wants. we know that there have been some he has wanted but hasn't got for whatever reason. maybe it would be time for more sofas and less standard lamps . obviously though, he would then really  need to work on those man management skill to maintain a happy bench of previous regular starters and top kwaality players.

on the other hand, maybe he would still remain true to his stubborn self and, resisting all sorts of encouragement from his new employers, refuse to buy kaka for 100 million quid because in rafa's estimation he was only worth 90 million.

[Judge]

no spend 200 million on kaka, and 50 mill on messi

bring ronaldinho in, possibly henry

saviola and villa

lots of potential scorers there

[Ciggy]

This was posted by someone close to the situation on another forum its quite interesting.

Once Benitez arrived at the club, things started to change almost immediately.
Benitez realised that from a footballing aspect the club was not geared up to the needs of the modern game and certainly not to the needs of Liverpool F.C. Some of the things Benitez was informed were in place when he was offered the managers position were clouded in half truths. Many of those things were paramount to Benitez in his decision to come to the club. They represented many of the things he saw as being vital for the club's long and short term future.

Benitez came to the club believing there was a platform for him to put his ideas in place and take the club to where they told him they wanted to be. The reality of what he found was so far removed from the initial promises. Initially this was put down to clashes of personality, which in some cases it was. However Benitez found himself running down blind alleys at almost every turn.He was continually meeting Parry down there. The main stumbling blocks being cash, the buying and selling of players and the youth structure. All things that a footballing man needed to run smoothly and effectively. Benitez was renowned for being one of the widely respected youth coaches during his time in Spain and this was a major part of his CV. Yet he was told to keep his nose out at Liverpool. The fragmentation of the senior and junior set ups at the club was beyond his comprehension. As was the fact that he, as manager was being prevented from having any effective input in to it's running or effectiveness.
Benitez decided to restructure those areas he was 'allowed' to and that started some major problems.
He effectively bypassed the youth system and brought his own players in, to train with the senior squad. Once Steve Heighway left,many of the successful youth team were promoted to the reserves and therefore came under his overall control.

He still didn't have any real input into the youth set up which was being overseen and run by Rick Parry. Parry's reluctance to sanction or back the overhaul of the youth system has been a major problem for Benitez. A none footballing man effectively preventing a football man from doing what he was brought in to do in the first place.
It is well known within the club that Benitez wants to develop our own players. He is extremely passionate about it, yet feels this won't happen quickly enough under the present structure.Even though that long term the club will benefit both financially and in terms of having a local heart to the club. Something that he spoke of only today.

On top of all of this is the farcical situation regarding protracted transfers we are all aware of. This all came to a head, just before the Gerrard fiasco made the headlines. Parry's reticence to get the Gerrard's contract sorted out was seen within the club and by Rafa in particular as an indication of how much power Parry thought he had. This was a further indication of his lack of footballing mentality. He was actually prompted to get this sorted from within the club but still dragged his heels.This caused major problems internally and is the catalyst for many of today's difficulties. The almost catastrophic outcome was seen as a watershed. It wasn't!

On top of that Benitez had the unfortunate misfortune of having to go through Parry for every transfer.
I'm not going into who they were, but certain players at home and abroad had approached Liverpool F.C and had agreed to come after speaking with Benitez only for the deal to fall through after Parry became involved. Some were high profile, some were not. The biggest deals having been well documented. Some equally as big which have not been.were already agreed with players without massive wage demands or contract terms only to fall away yet again. This caused severe professional embarrassment for Benitez and restricted the progress of the team.

[GYBS]

got to give rafa the chance to see what he can do when he gets the players he wants

[Judge]

This was posted by someone close to the situation on another forum its quite interesting.

Once Benitez arrived at the club, things started to change almost immediately.
Benitez realised that from a footballing aspect the club was not geared up to the needs of the modern game and certainly not to the needs of Liverpool F.C. Some of the things Benitez was informed were in place when he was offered the managers position were clouded in half truths. Many of those things were paramount to Benitez in his decision to come to the club. They represented many of the things he saw as being vital for the club's long and short term future.

Benitez came to the club believing there was a platform for him to put his ideas in place and take the club to where they told him they wanted to be. The reality of what he found was so far removed from the initial promises. Initially this was put down to clashes of personality, which in some cases it was. However Benitez found himself running down blind alleys at almost every turn.He was continually meeting Parry down there. The main stumbling blocks being cash, the buying and selling of players and the youth structure. All things that a footballing man needed to run smoothly and effectively. Benitez was renowned for being one of the widely respected youth coaches during his time in Spain and this was a major part of his CV. Yet he was told to keep his nose out at Liverpool. The fragmentation of the senior and junior set ups at the club was beyond his comprehension. As was the fact that he, as manager was being prevented from having any effective input in to it's running or effectiveness.
Benitez decided to restructure those areas he was 'allowed' to and that started some major problems.
He effectively bypassed the youth system and brought his own players in, to train with the senior squad. Once Steve Heighway left,many of the successful youth team were promoted to the reserves and therefore came under his overall control.

He still didn't have any real input into the youth set up which was being overseen and run by Rick Parry. Parry's reluctance to sanction or back the overhaul of the youth system has been a major problem for Benitez. A none footballing man effectively preventing a football man from doing what he was brought in to do in the first place.
It is well known within the club that Benitez wants to develop our own players. He is extremely passionate about it, yet feels this won't happen quickly enough under the present structure.Even though that long term the club will benefit both financially and in terms of having a local heart to the club. Something that he spoke of only today.

On top of all of this is the farcical situation regarding protracted transfers we are all aware of. This all came to a head, just before the Gerrard fiasco made the headlines. Parry's reticence to get the Gerrard's contract sorted out was seen within the club and by Rafa in particular as an indication of how much power Parry thought he had. This was a further indication of his lack of footballing mentality. He was actually prompted to get this sorted from within the club but still dragged his heels.This caused major problems internally and is the catalyst for many of today's difficulties. The almost catastrophic outcome was seen as a watershed. It wasn't!

On top of that Benitez had the unfortunate misfortune of having to go through Parry for every transfer.
I'm not going into who they were, but certain players at home and abroad had approached Liverpool F.C and had agreed to come after speaking with Benitez only for the deal to fall through after Parry became involved. Some were high profile, some were not. The biggest deals having been well documented. Some equally as big which have not been.were already agreed with players without massive wage demands or contract terms only to fall away yet again. This caused severe professional embarrassment for Benitez and restricted the progress of the team.

excellent read. thank god its not bigmicks or s@ints

its a good post