Liverpool FC Forum

[kazza]

If you ever read my posts then you'd realise I have been asking for rafa to feck off for quite some time because I'm bored of his bland uninspiring and all too frequent comical leadership skills. as for being impatient, yes you're right I bloody well am. I'm impatient with rafa making the same damned mistakes year in year out, and I'm impatient becuase manure are going to equal us in league wins!

In what ways are we a better team this year? in my view we are not playing at a higher quality, perhaps we are better on the left wing but that it about it in terms of improvement, we have the same pettiness from our manager towards a proven striker, last year it was crouch this year keane, does Rafa not like foreign strikers or something??

I hope and pray that we win this season but I seriously doubt it and if we don't then Rafa's time is up in my opinion and he can go to his beloved Real Madrid and get them playing even worse football than they are at the moment.

You are bored by Raffa's "bland and uninspiring football" and "frequent comical leadership skills" and yet you wish Moureen be the manager of Liverpool     You really do not understand football do you, or you would complain about the manager regardless of you the manager was.

Remember the last two years in England Chelsea did not win the title and when he lost the element of surprise, Mourinho did a runner to a team that had already been winning.

[ConnO'var]

To get back on track.... answering Bigmick's question.....

In order of preference.

1) Dalglish - Proven winner on the field and in management with 2 different clubs. A legend for us in every way and he's a red through and through. Would have him back in a heartbeat if he wants the job.

2) Martin O'Neil - I think he's a very very good manager who knows how to utilize the resources at his disposal. Been a success wherever he's been and he's not afraid to stand up to the big boys and stick to his guns..... as the summer's Barry saga showed us. With better funding, I think he's got what it takes and deserves a chance at a big club. I feel he'll do well for us.

3) Gus Hiddink - Brilliant coach and motivator and like O'Neil he knows what's what and has proven it time and time again at all the teams he's lead with the exception of Real Madrid where I thought he was given a raw deal. The only thing about Hiddink that has me worried is he's got a reputation to be a bit mercenary. Doesn't seem to like sticking around for the long haul.

There's also been mention of Mourinho in this thread and I have to respectfully disagree. I absolutely hate the way he carries himself and simply do not want our club to be associated with someone like that. I am not Rafa's biggest fan and the way the media has been used the way it has (donno who did what tbh... but really that's irrelevant) and airing dirty laundry like that is not the liverpool way.... Whatever the problems are, it should be kept internal. He has dropped further in my estimation because of recent events...... The fiasco with Ferguson (why sink to his level?) and the cr@p about his contract left me with a seriously sour taste in my mouth. This club is bigger than anyone and I felt that it was better for him to keep his trap shut than drag us through the gutter the way that Fergie often does.

He has improved with the results in the league as compared to last year and the reduced the amount of silly (IMO) rotation....and for that, I'm extremely grateful.... But we've shot ourselves in the foot with the negative set-up of our play.... and a quick look at me graphs show that he MAY be on the verge of starting again with the mistakes (IMO) of the past.... time will tell.

IMO, Rafael Benitez has taken us as far as we can go.... Come the end of the season it is time to say "gracias y adiós".....










Unless we win the league of course..... we'd look like a right buch of t!ts if we did it then. 

[Owzat]

Heimdall for manager. Hopefully he'll get bored with his own "bland uninspiring and all too frequent comical leadership skills" (and every other skills for that matter) and call for his own sacking!

Irony is....................having a muppet for your avatar

[tubby]

To get back on track.... answering Bigmick's question.....

In order of preference.

1) Dalglish - Proven winner on the field and in management with 2 different clubs. A legend for us in every way and he's a red through and through. Would have him back in a heartbeat if he wants the job.

2) Martin O'Neil - I think he's a very very good manager who knows how to utilize the resources at his disposal. Been a success wherever he's been and he's not afraid to stand up to the big boys and stick to his guns..... as the summer's Barry saga showed us. With better funding, I think he's got what it takes and deserves a chance at a big club. I feel he'll do well for us.

3) Gus Hiddink - Brilliant coach and motivator and like O'Neil he knows what's what and has proven it time and time again at all the teams he's lead with the exception of Real Madrid where I thought he was given a raw deal. The only thing about Hiddink that has me worried is he's got a reputation to be a bit mercenary. Doesn't seem to like sticking around for the long haul.

There's also been mention of Mourinho in this thread and I have to respectfully disagree. I absolutely hate the way he carries himself and simply do not want our club to be associated with someone like that. I am not Rafa's biggest fan and the way the media has been used the way it has (donno who did what tbh... but really that's irrelevant) and airing dirty laundry like that is not the liverpool way.... Whatever the problems are, it should be kept internal. He has dropped further in my estimation because of recent events...... The fiasco with Ferguson (why sink to his level?) and the cr@p about his contract left me with a seriously sour taste in my mouth. This club is bigger than anyone and I felt that it was better for him to keep his trap shut than drag us through the gutter the way that Fergie often does.

He has improved with the results in the league as compared to last year and the reduced the amount of silly (IMO) rotation....and for that, I'm extremely grateful.... But we've shot ourselves in the foot with the negative set-up of our play.... and a quick look at me graphs show that he MAY be on the verge of starting again with the mistakes (IMO) of the past.... time will tell.

IMO, Rafael Benitez has taken us as far as we can go.... Come the end of the season it is time to say "gracias y adiós".....










Unless we win the league of course..... we'd look like a right buch of t!ts if we did it then. 

Id agree with 2 and 3 but not Dalglish. You have to put to one side his past as a player. Sure he would be popular with the fans but is really a top class manager? Carra only has a few years on him and Stevie a few after that so IF someone else did come in I would want them to be already proven in the modern game to some extent. Look at Keegan when he went back to Newcastle. Sure he was popular but he didn't exactly turn them around did he.

[LegBarnes]

To get back on track.... answering Bigmick's question.....

In order of preference.

1) Dalglish - Proven winner on the field and in management with 2 different clubs. A legend for us in every way and he's a red through and through. Would have him back in a heartbeat if he wants the job.

2) Martin O'Neil - I think he's a very very good manager who knows how to utilize the resources at his disposal. Been a success wherever he's been and he's not afraid to stand up to the big boys and stick to his guns..... as the summer's Barry saga showed us. With better funding, I think he's got what it takes and deserves a chance at a big club. I feel he'll do well for us.

3) Gus Hiddink - Brilliant coach and motivator and like O'Neil he knows what's what and has proven it time and time again at all the teams he's lead with the exception of Real Madrid where I thought he was given a raw deal. The only thing about Hiddink that has me worried is he's got a reputation to be a bit mercenary. Doesn't seem to like sticking around for the long haul.

There's also been mention of Mourinho in this thread and I have to respectfully disagree. I absolutely hate the way he carries himself and simply do not want our club to be associated with someone like that. I am not Rafa's biggest fan and the way the media has been used the way it has (donno who did what tbh... but really that's irrelevant) and airing dirty laundry like that is not the liverpool way.... Whatever the problems are, it should be kept internal. He has dropped further in my estimation because of recent events...... The fiasco with Ferguson (why sink to his level?) and the cr@p about his contract left me with a seriously sour taste in my mouth. This club is bigger than anyone and I felt that it was better for him to keep his trap shut than drag us through the gutter the way that Fergie often does.

He has improved with the results in the league as compared to last year and the reduced the amount of silly (IMO) rotation....and for that, I'm extremely grateful.... But we've shot ourselves in the foot with the negative set-up of our play.... and a quick look at me graphs show that he MAY be on the verge of starting again with the mistakes (IMO) of the past.... time will tell.

IMO, Rafael Benitez has taken us as far as we can go.... Come the end of the season it is time to say "gracias y adiós".....










Unless we win the league of course..... we'd look like a right buch of t!ts if we did it then. 

Id agree with 2 and 3 but not Dalglish. You have to put to one side his past as a player. Sure he would be popular with the fans but is really a top class manager? Carra only has a few years on him and Stevie a few after that so IF someone else did come in I would want them to be already proven in the modern game to some extent. Look at Keegan when he went back to Newcastle. Sure he was popular but he didn't exactly turn them around did he.

Dalglish won the prem thats good enuff for me bav.

MON can fook off never want his grubby hands on our club.

Gus I like him alot he sets up teams to play great football.

[Madmax]

As a manager kenny has a good record with liverpool and a decent one with blackburn. He did fairly mediocre at newcaslte and celtic

Team         From              To            G     W    D    L           
Celtic        10-02-2000  01-06-2000   18    10   4    4
Newcastle  14-01-1997  27-08-1998   78    30   26  22
Blackburn   12-10-1991  25-06-1995   195  102  47  46
Liverpool    30-05-1985  22-02-1991   297  180  41  76

[Bermenstein]

I'd love to see Kenny Back someday. Older & wiser, and ready.

I don't believe in this "He's too long out of the game". I'm sure he's still a footy nut, and I believe he is saving himself for a possible return in the future, by not going anywhere his heart does not desire.

I'm sure Lpool also have good scouts at the club who would help & advise. The last word down to him of course.

Older & Wiser, Kenny Dalglish?

Defo!

[Madmax]

bring in ince

[tubby]

I'd love to see Kenny Back someday. Older & wiser, and ready.

I don't believe in this "He's too long out of the game". I'm sure he's still a footy nut, and I believe he is saving himself for a possible return in the future, by not going anywhere his heart does not desire.

I'm sure Lpool also have good scouts at the club who would help & advise. The last word down to him of course.

Older & Wiser, Kenny Dalglish?

Defo!

Wiser in the sense that he has still been following the game closley all these years yes id go for that. I think Keegan was quoted as saying he hadn't even been to a game for over 2 years when he took over at Newcastle.

[Alex G.]

To get back on track.... answering Bigmick's question.....

In order of preference.

1) Dalglish - Proven winner on the field and in management with 2 different clubs. A legend for us in every way and he's a red through and through. Would have him back in a heartbeat if he wants the job.

2) Martin O'Neil - I think he's a very very good manager who knows how to utilize the resources at his disposal. Been a success wherever he's been and he's not afraid to stand up to the big boys and stick to his guns..... as the summer's Barry saga showed us. With better funding, I think he's got what it takes and deserves a chance at a big club. I feel he'll do well for us.

3) Gus Hiddink - Brilliant coach and motivator and like O'Neil he knows what's what and has proven it time and time again at all the teams he's lead with the exception of Real Madrid where I thought he was given a raw deal. The only thing about Hiddink that has me worried is he's got a reputation to be a bit mercenary. Doesn't seem to like sticking around for the long haul.

There's also been mention of Mourinho in this thread and I have to respectfully disagree. I absolutely hate the way he carries himself and simply do not want our club to be associated with someone like that. I am not Rafa's biggest fan and the way the media has been used the way it has (donno who did what tbh... but really that's irrelevant) and airing dirty laundry like that is not the liverpool way.... Whatever the problems are, it should be kept internal. He has dropped further in my estimation because of recent events...... The fiasco with Ferguson (why sink to his level?) and the cr@p about his contract left me with a seriously sour taste in my mouth. This club is bigger than anyone and I felt that it was better for him to keep his trap shut than drag us through the gutter the way that Fergie often does.

He has improved with the results in the league as compared to last year and the reduced the amount of silly (IMO) rotation....and for that, I'm extremely grateful.... But we've shot ourselves in the foot with the negative set-up of our play.... and a quick look at me graphs show that he MAY be on the verge of starting again with the mistakes (IMO) of the past.... time will tell.

IMO, Rafael Benitez has taken us as far as we can go.... Come the end of the season it is time to say "gracias y adiós".....










Unless we win the league of course..... we'd look like a right buch of t!ts if we did it then. 

Do you really think O´neil would win the league??

His game style is even more defensive and direct than we practice now with Rafa.

His football concept is for small clubs. No creative midfield, very tacticall game, deep defence and speed in counter attack.

I don´t think he offers anything better than Rafa does.

Guus Hiddink?? I don´t know.

[Rorschach26]

I know I'll get called allsorts but feck it I'm bored. Just say these "oil rich ogliarchs" (they always use that word but feck knows what it means) took over, would Rafa be the right man to spend all the wonga? If we were genuinely able to compete for the Kaka's, the Robhinho's, the Ronaldhino's, indeed any O's instead of Ronaldo's, would that be for Rafa?

Would he relish the thought of opening the cheque book and going for the quick kill, splashing the cash with gay abandon or is he more of a build it from the bottom type of guy? Could he call time on his project so far, jettisoning the more workmanlike players he has put together and go all out for a radical rebuilding job designed to get instant success.

Some managers would relish the chance to put together a superstar team, some wouldn't. Does the Valencia example become less relavent if you can actually compete for the best players in the World? Would Rafa be the right man to handle all the ego's? Who knows.

yes he would

[Rorschach26]

If you ever read my posts then you'd realise I have been asking for rafa to feck off for quite some time because I'm bored of his bland uninspiring and all too frequent comical leadership skills. as for being impatient, yes you're right I bloody well am. I'm impatient with rafa making the same damned mistakes year in year out, and I'm impatient becuase manure are going to equal us in league wins!

In what ways are we a better team this year? in my view we are not playing at a higher quality, perhaps we are better on the left wing but that it about it in terms of improvement, we have the same pettiness from our manager towards a proven striker, last year it was crouch this year keane, does Rafa not like foreign strikers or something??

I hope and pray that we win this season but I seriously doubt it and if we don't then Rafa's time is up in my opinion and he can go to his beloved Real Madrid and get them playing even worse football than they are at the moment.

You are bored by Raffa's "bland and uninspiring football" and "frequent comical leadership skills" and yet you wish Moureen be the manager of Liverpool     You really do not understand football do you, or you would complain about the manager regardless of you the manager was.

Remember the last two years in England Chelsea did not win the title and when he lost the element of surprise, Mourinho did a runner to a team that had already been winning.

lol yeh stillfind it funny when people complain about the way we play then say "what about Mourinho anyway"? haha

came into a team that finished 2nd & got 2 the semis of the european cup & spent nearly 200 miilion in two seasons.....hes  a genuis how did he overcome the odds

then as soon as united started competed in the transfer market with them (money wise) they become better again & he pegs it

brilliant manager  (so much 4 all the the players r like my sons eh)

[Rorschach26]

For me personaly id still want Rafa in charge, i honestly cant see what the lad has done wrong tbh. We have never been a club that has had millions of pounds to blow away but even if these Kuiaties do come in i really dont think Rafa will change his Stance on who he wants anyway,

I believe that even if they were in charge now you would not have seen Benitez saying to them i want Kaka or Messi. Lovely to have of course but ridiculas priced.
So for me Rafa to stay money an all

yeh i mean who'd want them?

 

[NANNY RED]

For me personaly id still want Rafa in charge, i honestly cant see what the lad has done wrong tbh. We have never been a club that has had millions of pounds to blow away but even if these Kuiaties do come in i really dont think Rafa will change his Stance on who he wants anyway,

I believe that even if they were in charge now you would not have seen Benitez saying to them i want Kaka or Messi. Lovely to have of course but ridiculas priced.
So for me Rafa to stay money an all

yeh i mean who'd want them?

 

Taken out of context mate. Ok look at it this way were loaded do you honestly think Benitez would go after every world class player like them two for instance an poss a couple more that have been mentioned. Because i dont.

[we all dream...]

For me personaly id still want Rafa in charge, i honestly cant see what the lad has done wrong tbh. We have never been a club that has had millions of pounds to blow away but even if these Kuiaties do come in i really dont think Rafa will change his Stance on who he wants anyway,

I believe that even if they were in charge now you would not have seen Benitez saying to them i want Kaka or Messi. Lovely to have of course but ridiculas priced.
So for me Rafa to stay money an all

yeh i mean who'd want them?

 

Taken out of context mate. Ok look at it this way were loaded do you honestly think Benitez would go after every world class player like them two for instance an poss a couple more that have been mentioned. Because i dont.

I know what you mean Nanny, Rafa would be the man for the job.

He would build methodically rather than splashing ridiculous amounts of money on players who may not suit the PL, our style of play, our squad dynamic (by upsetting the squad moral etc) or be able to relocate their lives in England.

He would ensure we bought properly rather than buying anyone just because of the name regardless of how they would fit into out existing squad, like what is happening over at citeh.

I also think he wouldnt get mugged off like citeh have with DeJong. His contract said he could leave in the summer for 2.5mill or something... Surely they could have got him for less than 19mill.

Rafa, I would hope, would be shrewd