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[tubby]

PLease o please let this happen

[Madmax]

Would be a nice way to push for the title with the off field chaos out of the way...well thats if this happens

[Judge]

Might have guessed you would be one of the idiots who support Lando!! I actually thought you were ok'ish but now

My God, my God, What will I do now? 

Yes, I support Lando. I'm friend of my friends when they're popular and when they're banned. When they're mods and when they're not.

But I support him because I don't want he thinks his contribution is not appreciated, I don't support him against you or against the mods.

On the can't I criticise Rafa thing, it only shows you ignore my posts, which is nice, but at least don't pretend you read me. If you read me, you'd know, I've criticised Rafa in several things as of late.

But the fact he makes mistakes and commits errors like everybody doesn't prevent me from seeing the progress, and I come from a country in which most of the fans are Heimdalls, always asking for sackings, always saying everything is shít, dissapearing from the stadium when the team faces problems like relegation. With sometimes 3 sacks in a year. I know that sacking managers and lack of patience, and hastyness to think that with another manager we'd be better leads to disaster.

Now, if you excuse me, I have to go to the mountain to think. You not finding me OK, Mon Dieu, Mon Dieu, what a disaster.

this is me and thats it

[Sabre]

does raise questions about your morality and ethics in my book.

I have to go to the WC, can you lend me your book?

Look Heimdall, I won't respond to your insults. But you have to ask yourself if you like football.

If you happen to find that local football in lower leagues bores you, top football in Norway bores you, and Liverpool who has been 3 times amongst the best four of Europe in the last years bores you, the problem might be that you actually don't like football. I never understood the fans of my country that only like Primera football. I always admired ENglish fans for crowding the stadiums of lower leagues. If you like football, you like football.

"But I play FIFA 2008 and with my serious leadership skills I've made Liverpool champion several times" I hear you're thinking. But that's not football.

"But I see Robinho and I like the tricks he does", again, that's not quality football necessarily, there are people who do those tricks better than Robinho and are cráp footballers.

I don't know Heimdall, try this



They do beautiful things with a ball. But if you dislike our defensive rigourness, if you dislike the ease we have to make a Dutch Champion look shít, and you dislike a team that is second in the best league of the world, I think it's time to find another sport.

Of course, if you insist on football, you may stay. It was just a suggestion. But try to post something constructive, if a Rafa decission is ridiculous, for instance, post a better alternative so that we evaluate it.

[Toffeehater]

This was posted by someone close to the situation on another forum its quite interesting.

Once Benitez arrived at the club, things started to change almost immediately.
Benitez realised that from a footballing aspect the club was not geared up to the needs of the modern game and certainly not to the needs of Liverpool F.C. Some of the things Benitez was informed were in place when he was offered the managers position were clouded in half truths. Many of those things were paramount to Benitez in his decision to come to the club. They represented many of the things he saw as being vital for the club's long and short term future.

Benitez came to the club believing there was a platform for him to put his ideas in place and take the club to where they told him they wanted to be. The reality of what he found was so far removed from the initial promises. Initially this was put down to clashes of personality, which in some cases it was. However Benitez found himself running down blind alleys at almost every turn.He was continually meeting Parry down there. The main stumbling blocks being cash, the buying and selling of players and the youth structure. All things that a footballing man needed to run smoothly and effectively. Benitez was renowned for being one of the widely respected youth coaches during his time in Spain and this was a major part of his CV. Yet he was told to keep his nose out at Liverpool. The fragmentation of the senior and junior set ups at the club was beyond his comprehension. As was the fact that he, as manager was being prevented from having any effective input in to it's running or effectiveness.
Benitez decided to restructure those areas he was 'allowed' to and that started some major problems.
He effectively bypassed the youth system and brought his own players in, to train with the senior squad. Once Steve Heighway left,many of the successful youth team were promoted to the reserves and therefore came under his overall control.

He still didn't have any real input into the youth set up which was being overseen and run by Rick Parry. Parry's reluctance to sanction or back the overhaul of the youth system has been a major problem for Benitez. A none footballing man effectively preventing a football man from doing what he was brought in to do in the first place.
It is well known within the club that Benitez wants to develop our own players. He is extremely passionate about it, yet feels this won't happen quickly enough under the present structure.Even though that long term the club will benefit both financially and in terms of having a local heart to the club. Something that he spoke of only today.

On top of all of this is the farcical situation regarding protracted transfers we are all aware of. This all came to a head, just before the Gerrard fiasco made the headlines. Parry's reticence to get the Gerrard's contract sorted out was seen within the club and by Rafa in particular as an indication of how much power Parry thought he had. This was a further indication of his lack of footballing mentality. He was actually prompted to get this sorted from within the club but still dragged his heels.This caused major problems internally and is the catalyst for many of today's difficulties. The almost catastrophic outcome was seen as a watershed. It wasn't!

On top of that Benitez had the unfortunate misfortune of having to go through Parry for every transfer.
I'm not going into who they were, but certain players at home and abroad had approached Liverpool F.C and had agreed to come after speaking with Benitez only for the deal to fall through after Parry became involved. Some were high profile, some were not. The biggest deals having been well documented. Some equally as big which have not been.were already agreed with players without massive wage demands or contract terms only to fall away yet again. This caused severe professional embarrassment for Benitez and restricted the progress of the team.

Top post , i for one would give rafa another chance to prove himself when he has some cash and gets the players he wants to .If he chokes than he can leave and i think the ideal replacement should be mourinho

[devaney]

No ones mentioned Moyes. He's done ok with nothing imagine what he could do with a few quid!! Only a thought and to be honest I wouldn't allow the annoying tw.t anywhere near Anfield!

[Ciggy]

No ones mentioned Moyes. He's done ok with nothing imagine what he could do with a few quid!! Only a thought and to be honest I wouldn't allow the annoying tw.t anywhere near Anfield!

Are you havin a laugh 

I wouldnt want that bitter bog eyed anywhere near our club.

[Ciggy]

from the Kuwait Times....

Al-Kharafi denies Liverpool buyout report
Published Date: January 23, 2009
By By staff writer

KUWAIT: Al-Kharafi denied yesterday reports that it was negotiating a buyout of English Premier League club Liverpool. “Al-Kharafi Group is not at the moment looking to a buy a club,” a source within the group told Kuwait Times. “Our main concern is to promote and advertise Port Ghalib and this rumour about Liverpool probably came from that.”

The source indicated that Mohammad Abdulmohsin Al-Kharafi and Sons Company (MAK) was looking at the possibility of sponsoring a club as a means of promoting the Egyptian tourist resort. Port Ghalib is a luxury vacation destination on the Red Sea built by the Al-Kharafi company.

London’s Daily Telegraph reported on Thursday that Liverpool co-owner Tom Hicks had held talks with representatives from Al-Kharafi regarding a possible 600 million pound buyout of the club.

Last year, reports surfaced that MAK was looking at Newcastle as well. But it’s likely that those reports also had to do with the company’s interest in sponsoring a Premier League club.

MAK is a multinational firm with operations and businesses in more than 30 countries. Focused primarily on construction, manufacturing, real estate and hotels, MAK holds significant stakes in Americana, the largest food company in the Middle East and multinational telecom provider Zain

[LiverpoolMadman]

Kuwaiti group denies Liverpool FC buyout plans

[NANNY RED]

For me personaly id still want Rafa in charge, i honestly cant see what the lad has done wrong tbh. We have never been a club that has had millions of pounds to blow away but even if these Kuiaties do come in i really dont think Rafa will change his Stance on who he wants anyway,

I believe that even if they were in charge now you would not have seen Benitez saying to them i want Kaka or Messi. Lovely to have of course but ridiculas priced.
So for me Rafa to stay money an all

[tubby]

If someone takes over then I say let rqfw have another year to buy the players he wants.

[heimdall]

does raise questions about your morality and ethics in my book.

I have to go to the WC, can you lend me your book?

Look Heimdall, I won't respond to your insults. But you have to ask yourself if you like football.

If you happen to find that local football in lower leagues bores you, top football in Norway bores you, and Liverpool who has been 3 times amongst the best four of Europe in the last years bores you, the problem might be that you actually don't like football. I never understood the fans of my country that only like Primera football. I always admired ENglish fans for crowding the stadiums of lower leagues. If you like football, you like football.

"But I play FIFA 2008 and with my serious leadership skills I've made Liverpool champion several times" I hear you're thinking. But that's not football.

"But I see Robinho and I like the tricks he does", again, that's not quality football necessarily, there are people who do those tricks better than Robinho and are cráp footballers.

I don't know Heimdall, try this



They do beautiful things with a ball. But if you dislike our defensive rigourness, if you dislike the ease we have to make a Dutch Champion look shít, and you dislike a team that is second in the best league of the world, I think it's time to find another sport.

Of course, if you insist on football, you may stay. It was just a suggestion. But try to post something constructive, if a Rafa decission is ridiculous, for instance, post a better alternative so that we evaluate it.

Fair point Sabre, there ae teams I like in football and they are not teams which are spineless and play 1 dimensional football. I've watched a bit of La Liga and can see how that kind of football can turn you on. I like teams with a never say die attitude, like Manure or teams who play with fair and imagination like Arsenal, (ok ok maybe not this season but you know what I mean). Unfortuantely or fortuanetly depending on how you look at it I love LFC and have for many years. I so want us to do well but I also want a manager who can let the players play to their ability and can give the fans who fork over a lot of their money some entertainment instead of turgid home draws. I am bored to deatch of Rafa, his tactics, bizarre pettiness towards certain players, pathetic draging of us fans and the klooob into every embarassing pres confeence where he makes an of himself. IN the same way as time had run out for Evans and Houllier I think time is starting to run out for Rafa people are becoming off with him.

I apologise for havign a go at you earlier, I have no real excuse apart from the fact that you openly support someone who I find despicable, I still don't understand why you do that. I am however confused by the comparison of me to Lando as I don't think I have ever been abusive of vulgar to another forum member, I certainly don't have too many cards against my name!

So anyway peace Sabre, my fight is not with you

[Sabre]

I apologise for havign a go at you earlier, I have no real excuse apart from the fact that you openly support someone who I find despicable, I still don't understand why you do that.

The truth?

Because I loved drummerphil and I suffered with his illness. And good old Lando showed me what kind of man he is, he didn't just post to support and donate money, which is nice, he also went to visit him and cared a lot. You don't know what a man is made of in a forum, but in actions in real life, mate. That details and others made an internet friendship.

Needless to say, I never took literally the "go to kill yourself" line, he just have a exagerated way to make his points when angry. But that's just a bunch of bytes.

Excuse me my bantering aswell, I just get frustrated sometimes here because in my opinion, Liverpool fans don't realise how lucky they are to be Liverpool fans.

Mate, we all would like to see Liverpool winning 5-0, and I like passing football when it's well done aswell. Sometimes it's not just possible. You connect here after a dissapointing draw, you're depressed with the draw, and you want to feel better and share the thoughts with other reds. You wanna insult the ref, you wanna insult the mancs, you also want to criticise the player that hasn't been good enough, but it's difficult to read everything is bad. It makes you feel worse.

It's true you hardly abuse anyone, some people have a reaction against you because they come depressed after a draw, and after reading your post they feel more depressed That's all.

Anyhoo, peace.  And sorry for my answer aswell.

[Rush Job]

This was posted by someone close to the situation on another forum its quite interesting.

Once Benitez arrived at the club, things started to change almost immediately.
Benitez realised that from a footballing aspect the club was not geared up to the needs of the modern game and certainly not to the needs of Liverpool F.C. Some of the things Benitez was informed were in place when he was offered the managers position were clouded in half truths. Many of those things were paramount to Benitez in his decision to come to the club. They represented many of the things he saw as being vital for the club's long and short term future.

Benitez came to the club believing there was a platform for him to put his ideas in place and take the club to where they told him they wanted to be. The reality of what he found was so far removed from the initial promises. Initially this was put down to clashes of personality, which in some cases it was. However Benitez found himself running down blind alleys at almost every turn.He was continually meeting Parry down there. The main stumbling blocks being cash, the buying and selling of players and the youth structure. All things that a footballing man needed to run smoothly and effectively. Benitez was renowned for being one of the widely respected youth coaches during his time in Spain and this was a major part of his CV. Yet he was told to keep his nose out at Liverpool. The fragmentation of the senior and junior set ups at the club was beyond his comprehension. As was the fact that he, as manager was being prevented from having any effective input in to it's running or effectiveness.
Benitez decided to restructure those areas he was 'allowed' to and that started some major problems.
He effectively bypassed the youth system and brought his own players in, to train with the senior squad. Once Steve Heighway left,many of the successful youth team were promoted to the reserves and therefore came under his overall control.

He still didn't have any real input into the youth set up which was being overseen and run by Rick Parry. Parry's reluctance to sanction or back the overhaul of the youth system has been a major problem for Benitez. A none footballing man effectively preventing a football man from doing what he was brought in to do in the first place.
It is well known within the club that Benitez wants to develop our own players. He is extremely passionate about it, yet feels this won't happen quickly enough under the present structure.Even though that long term the club will benefit both financially and in terms of having a local heart to the club. Something that he spoke of only today.

On top of all of this is the farcical situation regarding protracted transfers we are all aware of. This all came to a head, just before the Gerrard fiasco made the headlines. Parry's reticence to get the Gerrard's contract sorted out was seen within the club and by Rafa in particular as an indication of how much power Parry thought he had. This was a further indication of his lack of footballing mentality. He was actually prompted to get this sorted from within the club but still dragged his heels.This caused major problems internally and is the catalyst for many of today's difficulties. The almost catastrophic outcome was seen as a watershed. It wasn't!

On top of that Benitez had the unfortunate misfortune of having to go through Parry for every transfer.
I'm not going into who they were, but certain players at home and abroad had approached Liverpool F.C and had agreed to come after speaking with Benitez only for the deal to fall through after Parry became involved. Some were high profile, some were not. The biggest deals having been well documented. Some equally as big which have not been.were already agreed with players without massive wage demands or contract terms only to fall away yet again. This caused severe professional embarrassment for Benitez and restricted the progress of the team.

Not surprised by any of that, ive been saying most of it myself for months. Rafa is right to want more control, from Parry anyway, maybe we just need a quality, dynamic CEO. That aint Parry.

[Effes]

What's david Dein doing now, I always thought he conducted himself well.