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[taff]

Leon king of the urchins

Ive spoken with Leon he is not a hooligan as far as I am aware.  He does get upset about comments regarding the team however

[Leonmc0708]

Leon I was jesting, dont be scared to reply mate.

I was doing some work (for a change).

Are you a hooligan or something then Leon, why is everyone so scared of you.

I still stand by my earlier opinion of wanting Rafa out but I'm actually not to upset with him after yesterdays game. I'll wait till the end of the season, it's to late to do anything this season anyway, plus we won't even get anywhere in the champions league this year 

dunno bout the scared thing mate, its the internet so I cant be cyber twa.tting people like. . . .

As for the other one, are you serious ?

I still stand by my earlier opinion of wanting Rafa out but I'm actually not to upset with him after yesterdays game. I'll wait till the end of the season, it's to late to do anything this season anyway, plus we won't even get anywhere in the champions league this year

Considering that you posted the following after the Derby win:

You can't help people being excited though, its not so much that we are top of the league its that only ourselves and Arsenal have looked halfway decent this season and we are finally playing some great football. That is something to be excited about, we are really moving in the right direction now but it is a hell of a long way to go yet.

It's looking good though.

Harldy a man of standing by what you said earlier are you ?

[Effes]

Did anyone else think putting Arbeloa in midfield a bit strange?

I mean, we could have put him right back/left back, moving Finnan/Riise midfield as we had SG and Mash in the middle.

[Sabre]

Did anyone else think putting Arbeloa in midfield a bit strange?

I mean, we could have put him right back/left back, moving Finnan/Riise midfield as we had SG and Mash in the middle.

When a holding midfielder is not available and you haven't another option, then it's quite common to bring a CB to the holding midfielder position (Arbeloa was a CB until he came here), with the simple task of doing simple passes and recovery tasks. We could see that last season when Carraguer had to play one game in that position.

That was the intention, but we were overrun after that substitution, and yes, it was somewhat strange.

[stmichael]

Did anyone else think putting Arbeloa in midfield a bit strange?

to be honest, when arbeloa came on i though we were going to go three at the back so i could understand it but in the end it cost us as he failed to track fabregas for the goal.

[Sabre]

Did anyone else think putting Arbeloa in midfield a bit strange?

to be honest, when arbeloa came on i though we were going to go three at the back so i could understand it but in the end it cost us as he failed to track fabregas for the goal.

Well, another player failed before that when he lost the ball when he was setting up a long shot, with 7 or 8 of our men on front of the ball.

Until the draw I was quite happy but after the draw it was quite depressing how we played.

[Emerald Red]

Leon I was jesting, dont be scared to reply mate.

I was doing some work (for a change).

Are you a hooligan or something then Leon, why is everyone so scared of you.

I still stand by my earlier opinion of wanting Rafa out but I'm actually not to upset with him after yesterdays game. I'll wait till the end of the season, it's to late to do anything this season anyway, plus we won't even get anywhere in the champions league this year 

So you want him out, yet when we get a decent result you want him in? What will you say or think if we do manage to bi-pass the group stage of the CL? And we're still as you were in the league with just 6 points behind them and almost in November. Hardly too late to do anything about that now is there? You're opinions seem to change like the wind, and are just as transparent.

[NANNY RED]

Is this seriously still going?

I'm going to refer back to Big Niall's post a few weeks back where he basically slated Rafa for building a team that is not as good as Wengers (in terms of style) despite spending millions compared to the peanuts that Wenger has spent (another myth).

There are two managers who have won the league in the last ten years playing a style of football that was so magnificent. Ferguson would have been booted out long before he won his first league championship. You do realise how long it took him to get going don't you? You would have been first in the queue to get rid of him. They finished 11th in the league in his third season for f#cks sake. It took him 7 (seven) seasons to win the league and in that time the scraps he threw to the fans were the one league cup, one FA Cup and the cup winners cup. I also doubt you would have forgiven Wenger for selling Vieira and Henry (what the f#ck is he playing at you don't win anything selling your best players bla bla bla). His period from 1998 to 2002 would have seen him out of the door too.

Our manager (the one who manages our club) has got us to the CL final twice in three years, which sort of gives you the feeling that he might actually know what he is doing. Explain to me why it is so vital that we challenge this year? So absolutely vital that you would sack him if we don't? What happens next year, is this our last chance ever? Explain how this is any different to Ferguson at United. What happened in those first 7 (seven) years that would have meant that you would have allowed him to continue?

Rant over.

Hit the nail on the head with this post
Ive posted a similar comment in Rafa enough thread

Spot on with the drunk down the M62 getting time and building his own squad and look what he has achieved since.

FFS even shanks took  6 years to buld a great liverpool team and look what happend there the rest is history our history

Some fans want instant silverware well i for one am happy with the silverware Rafa has brought us so far.

As i said in my other post i have followed them home and away for 40 years ive seen the great teams we had and yes ive waited 19 years to win the league again but i dont mind waiting a bit longer while Rafa assembles a team that can be world beaters just like Shanks and Paisley had

[zarababe]

Leon as you are a Mods i feel you should be able to make you point without using things like;

"Feel free to meet up to disucss the point you have made, I am in the Halfway House before every home game and at the side of the Albert just before kick off"


we all know what you mean by this and if you was just a normal member you would have been band for the threat to use violence.
calm down mate and just use your knowledge to make your point.

Discussing the point is not a threat of violence.

I would hope that meeting me over a drink would change his mind.

ok Leon

that told him Leone 

[puroresu]

Is this seriously still going?

I'm going to refer back to Big Niall's post a few weeks back where he basically slated Rafa for building a team that is not as good as Wengers (in terms of style) despite spending millions compared to the peanuts that Wenger has spent (another myth).

There are two managers who have won the league in the last ten years playing a style of football that was so magnificent. Ferguson would have been booted out long before he won his first league championship. You do realise how long it took him to get going don't you? You would have been first in the queue to get rid of him. They finished 11th in the league in his third season for f#cks sake. It took him 7 (seven) seasons to win the league and in that time the scraps he threw to the fans were the one league cup, one FA Cup and the cup winners cup. I also doubt you would have forgiven Wenger for selling Vieira and Henry (what the f#ck is he playing at you don't win anything selling your best players bla bla bla). His period from 1998 to 2002 would have seen him out of the door too.

Our manager (the one who manages our club) has got us to the CL final twice in three years, which sort of gives you the feeling that he might actually know what he is doing. Explain to me why it is so vital that we challenge this year? So absolutely vital that you would sack him if we don't? What happens next year, is this our last chance ever? Explain how this is any different to Ferguson at United. What happened in those first 7 (seven) years that would have meant that you would have allowed him to continue?

Rant over.

Hit the nail on the head with this post
Ive posted a similar comment in Rafa enough thread

Spot on with the drunk down the M62 getting time and building his own squad and look what he has achieved since.

FFS even shanks took  6 years to buld a great liverpool team and look what happend there the rest is history our history

Some fans want instant silverware well i for one am happy with the silverware Rafa has brought us so far.

As i said in my other post i have followed them home and away for 40 years ive seen the great teams we had and yes ive waited 19 years to win the league again but i dont mind waiting a bit longer while Rafa assembles a team that can be world beaters just like Shanks and Paisley had

Being entertained would be nice.

[account deleted by request]

I am still not sure what it would take for people like Sabre or Leon to say "ok Rafa's had a go and can't take us any further, time to look elsewhere."

I have said if we don't make progress this season it may be time to re-assess , certainly I would hope questions would be asked. That was my answer btw.

Seriously what would it take Sabre and Leon?

[Sabre]

I am still not sure what it would take for people like Sabre or Leon to say "ok Rafa's had a go and can't take us any further, time to look elsewhere."

I have said if we don't make progress this season it may be time to re-assess , certainly I would hope questions would be asked. That was my answer btw.

Seriously what would it take Sabre and Leon?

S@int, if I was a Rafa fan, and not a Liverpool fan, as a Spaniard, I'd like him out of Liverpool.

Because he'd be my best hope to become Spain World or Europe Champions, and stop being the greatest underachievers, ever. So I don't want Rafa in Liverpool for selfish reasons, I'm not particularly interested on watching the Spanish rotations triumphing in England, I just want the best manager for Liverpool.

As I've said several times, if I had not a certainty but a strong suspicion that another man would be better for the job in Liverpool, I'd sack Rafa myself. But I truly can't think of a better man, and, correct me if I'm wrong, it's not an exagerated statement, otherwise several posters would be writing their options as we speak.

Answering the question, it will take that I'm convinced of the opposite. And if in August I thought he was the man, then October is too soon to even consider such a thing. The frontier between failure and success is often a goal away, and football is a game of good and bad runs.

I'd need a really dissapointing season (4th, with no cups) and another unconvincing season to say, OK, let's try another thing.

And I don't think we'll reach that point, I trust Rafa and the players.

[metalhead]

Did anyone else think putting Arbeloa in midfield a bit strange?

I mean, we could have put him right back/left back, moving Finnan/Riise midfield as we had SG and Mash in the middle.

When a holding midfielder is not available and you haven't another option, then it's quite common to bring a CB to the holding midfielder position (Arbeloa was a CB until he came here), with the simple task of doing simple passes and recovery tasks. We could see that last season when Carraguer had to play one game in that position.

That was the intention, but we were overrun after that substitution, and yes, it was somewhat strange.

Hmm.. Sabre, I thought Benitez would have done better in that situation. I guess another option would put in arbeloa as left back then moving Riise to left midfield, so basically your putting Gerrard and Masch in the center with Riise and Benayoun on the wings, Crouch and Kuyt strike force. I think that would have done the trick, it would have given some balance in midfield

[NANNY RED]

I am still not sure what it would take for people like Sabre or Leon to say "ok Rafa's had a go and can't take us any further, time to look elsewhere."

I have said if we don't make progress this season it may be time to re-assess , certainly I would hope questions would be asked. That was my answer btw.

Seriously what would it take Sabre and Leon?

You must no better than anyone saint it takes time
AS i said before it took Shanks 6 years to get our great team together.
What do you think our history would have been if we all started to question him after 3 years . i know im going back to ancient history but i honestly believe the man . will come good for us. he is the best man for the job.

Someone was moaning at the game yesterday there was no camaraderi with the players they seem to be in clicks well i know what id do id make them all leave there flash cars at anfield and pile them all on the coach again to and from melwood . Thats what Shanks done he said it built up the team spirit between the players as they travelled through the streets singing

Im waffling now so ill shut up

[account deleted by request]

I am still not sure what it would take for people like Sabre or Leon to say "ok Rafa's had a go and can't take us any further, time to look elsewhere."

I have said if we don't make progress this season it may be time to re-assess , certainly I would hope questions would be asked. That was my answer btw.

Seriously what would it take Sabre and Leon?

You must no better than anyone saint it takes time
AS i said before it took Shanks 6 years to get our great team together.
What do you think our history would have been if we all started to question him after 3 years . i know im going back to ancient history but i honestly believe the man . will come good for us. he is the best man for the job.

Someone was moaning at the game yesterday there was no camaraderi with the players they seem to be in clicks well i know what id do id make them all leave there flash cars at anfield and pile them all on the coach again to and from melwood . Thats what Shanks done he said it built up the team spirit between the players as they travelled through the streets singing

Im waffling now so ill shut up

It wasn't a get at Rafa post Nanny , I honestly wondered just how bad it would have to get before Sabre and Leon said enough is enough. Most posters have a cut off point I just wondered what theirs was.

I stand by my cut off point, if we dont make progress this season questions should be asked, and if we don't get the right answers.... BYE BYE Rafa.

I started watching Liverpool in 1968 Nanny - It was 1973 before I saw us lift any cup! So I do have patience and belief.