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[GYBS]

Long throws ? what next playing like wimbledon ? rather keep it on the floor and work on that .

[Owzat]

None of the 'big four' to play spudz this season has beaten them, at least we lost away to them and didn't concede a two goal lead - or two to the long throw merchants. I had to laugh when Tony Clulis and Rory DeCrap suggested there is more to Stoke than the long throw when their last THREE goals and TWO wins are both entirely down to that tactic. I think the problem is defences get their knickers in a knot over it, before the game's even started, when it's no more dangerous than an accurate cross. Apply the basics of defending, the ball may be "in the danger area" but defences that panic at any type of cross should be playing lower league football. I'm sure the tactic will lose it's psychological grip on teams that fear it and Stoke will be found out because of the rest of their game. Even though we failed to score, I said before we played them that even if they got a goal or two from long throws that we should be looking to score two or three ourselves - sadly we didn't

There's a bit more to defending a throw like delaps than there is a cross Owz. It's int he trajectory and the fact it's being aimed into the goal or very close to it.

I wonder how long it is before a team defends it with their goalkeeper. Get the keeper out in front of the attackers and then the fecker has to throw it up and over the goalie, that should sort it out.

There was a discussion on fivelive I think it was, they were discussing a tactic of putting four players on the halfway line and clearing the area a bit to let the keeper catch it.

It is as simple as a cross, defenders don't just deal with one kind of cross so trajectory can be the same as crosses. Neither of the goals Arsenal conceded were dealt with properly, it was poor defending/marking and nothing to do with it being a throw rather than a cross. Closer to goal should make it the keepers, I think the biggest threat of it is psychological and Wenger boobed bigtime by trying to counter that threat rather than pose the threat. I feel sometimes Rafa overcomplicates it, when the better side should go out, play and win nine times out of ten, but decides to get tactical and it can prove disastrous.

[Owzat]

Long throws ? what next playing like wimbledon ? rather keep it on the floor and work on that .

Unlike having a tall target man to aim at and hoofing it long.............................    Thank ferk we got shot of that target, can hit the ball long too often still though

[Lando_Griffin]

None of the 'big four' to play spudz this season has beaten them, at least we lost away to them and didn't concede a two goal lead - or two to the long throw merchants. I had to laugh when Tony Clulis and Rory DeCrap suggested there is more to Stoke than the long throw when their last THREE goals and TWO wins are both entirely down to that tactic. I think the problem is defences get their knickers in a knot over it, before the game's even started, when it's no more dangerous than an accurate cross. Apply the basics of defending, the ball may be "in the danger area" but defences that panic at any type of cross should be playing lower league football. I'm sure the tactic will lose it's psychological grip on teams that fear it and Stoke will be found out because of the rest of their game. Even though we failed to score, I said before we played them that even if they got a goal or two from long throws that we should be looking to score two or three ourselves - sadly we didn't

There's a bit more to defending a throw like delaps than there is a cross Owz. It's int he trajectory and the fact it's being aimed into the goal or very close to it.

I wonder how long it is before a team defends it with their goalkeeper. Get the keeper out in front of the attackers and then the fecker has to throw it up and over the goalie, that should sort it out.

Very interesting thought, mate.  I could see a team devise a wicked little counter-setpiece play off it, if you will.  Imagine it's us that's defending.  With Reina's quickness and distribution I think we could come up with something where he looks like he's staying on his line but, as the throw comes in, a teammate's movement creates a hole for him to claim the throw.  Meanwhile, someone with a bit of pace and finishing (Gerrard or Torres), peels off from the back of the area and gets downfield sharpish to latch on to Reina's quick kick or throw.  Good chance we'd catch Stoke with their pants down and turn defense into offense in a flash.

And you can see Rafa using this tactic     

On a serious note why didn't we use Riise for the long throws more, he used to do them but not so much towards the end of his time at Liverpool, was that a conscious decision by Rafa/Riise or was he just not bale to throw the ball in like that anymore. I think it's a very good extra weapon to have and we should pick someone in the team, send them down the gym for some upper body work and get them throwing the ball in like Delap, the more options you have the better No?

Long throws are more technique than strength. The speed of your arm has a lot to do with it, and if you're really strong your muscles don't move as fast.

[Judge]

None of the 'big four' to play spudz this season has beaten them, at least we lost away to them and didn't concede a two goal lead - or two to the long throw merchants. I had to laugh when Tony Clulis and Rory DeCrap suggested there is more to Stoke than the long throw when their last THREE goals and TWO wins are both entirely down to that tactic. I think the problem is defences get their knickers in a knot over it, before the game's even started, when it's no more dangerous than an accurate cross. Apply the basics of defending, the ball may be "in the danger area" but defences that panic at any type of cross should be playing lower league football. I'm sure the tactic will lose it's psychological grip on teams that fear it and Stoke will be found out because of the rest of their game. Even though we failed to score, I said before we played them that even if they got a goal or two from long throws that we should be looking to score two or three ourselves - sadly we didn't

There's a bit more to defending a throw like delaps than there is a cross Owz. It's int he trajectory and the fact it's being aimed into the goal or very close to it.

I wonder how long it is before a team defends it with their goalkeeper. Get the keeper out in front of the attackers and then the fecker has to throw it up and over the goalie, that should sort it out.

Very interesting thought, mate.  I could see a team devise a wicked little counter-setpiece play off it, if you will.  Imagine it's us that's defending.  With Reina's quickness and distribution I think we could come up with something where he looks like he's staying on his line but, as the throw comes in, a teammate's movement creates a hole for him to claim the throw.  Meanwhile, someone with a bit of pace and finishing (Gerrard or Torres), peels off from the back of the area and gets downfield sharpish to latch on to Reina's quick kick or throw.  Good chance we'd catch Stoke with their pants down and turn defense into offense in a flash.

And you can see Rafa using this tactic     

On a serious note why didn't we use Riise for the long throws more, he used to do them but not so much towards the end of his time at Liverpool, was that a conscious decision by Rafa/Riise or was he just not bale to throw the ball in like that anymore. I think it's a very good extra weapon to have and we should pick someone in the team, send them down the gym for some upper body work and get them throwing the ball in like Delap, the more options you have the better No?

The speed of your arm has a lot to do with it

w@nker

[Rush Job]

I wonder how long it is before a team defends it with their goalkeeper. Get the keeper out in front of the attackers and then the fecker has to throw it up and over the goalie, that should sort it out.

Exactly mick, if he`s lobbing it into the six yard box youve got to ask your keeper when at all possible come and claim or get some thing on it, most of the goals have come though indecisive goal keeping.
Keepers are so (over) protected these days they got to be looking to deal with most balls coming into the six yard box, its not as if its being whipped in and bent across the face of the goal its being thrown in from thirty yards away.

[Rush Job]

Long throws are more technique than strength. The speed of your arm has a lot to do with it, and if you're really strong your muscles don't move as fast.

Thats not really true mate, just take a look at 100m runners or boxers, power and speed are more or less one in the same but it is true excessive muscle mass like you`d see on a body builder would slow you down.
Your point on technique is spot on though.

[aCe']

"Delap can throw a ball further than most people walk in a lifetime"

ahhaha...check this out..

Ireland Will Go To Any Length To Get A Medal At The Olympics


I've got Irish roots, so I'm allowed to say what we all know is true. We Irish aren't the most athletic of people. So when one of us shows some kind (or any kind) of athletic prowess, we'll immediately do anything we possibly can to get that person on the grandest sports stage of all - the Olympics. That's primarily so we can show the world that we can do more than just drink a lot of beer.

Well, we've found a potential Olympic star in Premier League midfielder Rory Delap who plays for Stoke City. So what is Delap's skill? Dude can huck throw-ins an absurd 45 meters in the air. That's almost 50 yards. Naturally, we want him for the most spectacular and well-covered of Olympic sports - the javelin.   

Crazy? Hell yes. But not quite so crazy after you watch some of his throw-ins.



One Olympic Council Of Ireland spokesman said, “Rory certainly has one hell of an arm on him”, which would be the understatement of the year. 

Anyhow, Irish athletic officials hope to arrange a meeting between Delap and Ireland’s greatest ever javelin thrower, Terry McHugh, before hopefully getting him some training in time to have him compete at the 2012 Games.

Hey, whatever works. In fact, considering he's Irish, we'll be impressed provided he just doesn't come in last.