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[JC_81]

Look at our next few league games...

Tottenham Hotspur A
West Brom H
Bolton A
Fulham H
West Ham United H
Blackburn Rovers A
Hull City H

On paper there we have 4 home games that should all really be nailed on wins.  Then 3 away games that are more tricky but that we would still be clear favourites in.  Following this run of games we have our next 'big' game against Arsenal.

21 points available in those 7 games.  We need to take 17 points minimum, allowing for possibly 2 draws given that there are a couple of tricky away games.  21 points is not out of the question though.

The Arsenal game will pretty much take us up to Christmas then, and going into that game I think we'll have a much better idea of where our season is going.  If we haven't lost momentum by then, or better still extended our lead at the top (which is very possible with that run of games), then we'll be in a great position, and who knows what can happen.

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I don't want to jump into another argument but this fickle business is a bit pathetic. If someone changes their mind about Rafa because Rafa has changed his ways (and admitted it himself) how is that fickle? Or maybe Rafa is fickle for changing his ideas as well ?

Mick has always said that if Rafa stopped the styling and cut down on the rotation he would be a great manager. Rafa appears to have stopped styling and cut down on the rotation (until tonight ) so whats the problem ? If anyones changed their ideas its Rafa so far...... not Bigmick.

[LFC2007]

Irrespective of whether we win the league or not we have improved and are now moving in the right direction. If we can keep being lucky and also playing solidly then I can't see any reason why we can't be serious contenders this season.
As for Rafa's contract I though he still had 1 and a half years left on the current one so what is the rush? If at the end of this season everyone is happy with the job he's done he can be offered a new contract then.

Sorry, could not resist.

Bigmick might be stubborn, but not fickle.

I agree he's been a bit sarky sometimes ( so have I sometimes!) and perhaps not so polite as the previous 4 years, but considering the hot topics we've been discussing, I think he has been polite enough.

He should ignore GYBS perhaps, but other than that I think Bigmick is the good old poster of always, and I hope he keeps his stuff.

Not the brief stuff that he sometimes has used because of some comments, I want the long stuff.

About the contract though, Bigmick, I disagree. It's true, there's still a year and a half of contract, but, you will agree that he probably has many teams chasing him and asking what's his situation. So we can't I'm afraid delay this until the summer and see what happens.

Of course we can do it, but we'd have a lot less chances of getting a new contract. In fact, I have a sad hunch on me, I think Rafa will win us the league and he will go. If he stays, it will be with conditions (Parry, owners, etc).

It's a tricky situation this. Many would give Rafa a contract depending on how well we end up this season, but I doubt we can wait that much if we reallistically want to keep him. In the eyes of Rafa, that delay won't look  as a sign of trust, and after the Klinsman incident they owe him one.

But that's Heimdall, mate, not Mick. 

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Oh ! Heimdall's fickle










Only joking Heimdall

[Sabre]

Correcto LFC. That's the kind of thing that happens to Sabre when he has multiple windows open, start the post, feel the urgency of going to the WC, coming back, and forgetting you were quoting something or who exactly you were quoting 

Heimdall is Heimdall. I like Heimdall. He never insults other posters.

But he should trust more the team. I remember 3 weeks ago when he posted that our game was that cráp that he was watching the game 2X Speed. The Bad thing about Heimdall, is that when things go wrong, and you log in to newkit to feel better about the team, he can depress you!

[LFC2007]

F'kn Heimdall 

[Owzat]

Look at our next few league games...

Tottenham Hotspur A
West Brom H
Bolton A
Fulham H
West Ham United H
Blackburn Rovers A
Hull City H

On paper there we have 4 home games that should all really be nailed on wins.  Then 3 away games that are more tricky but that we would still be clear favourites in.  Following this run of games we have our next 'big' game against Arsenal.

21 points available in those 7 games.  We need to take 17 points minimum, allowing for possibly 2 draws given that there are a couple of tricky away games.  21 points is not out of the question though.

The Arsenal game will pretty much take us up to Christmas then, and going into that game I think we'll have a much better idea of where our season is going.  If we haven't lost momentum by then, or better still extended our lead at the top (which is very possible with that run of games), then we'll be in a great position, and who knows what can happen.

We beat spudz away, Bolton away, Fulham at home and West Ham at home last season.

That said we drew against Stoke and should have won, we won at villa last season and drew there this. We should be aiming at absolute minimum seven points from those four games, settle for nine or ten, but wouldn't ten wins in a row (including WBA) really send out a message and put the pressure on the mancs, Chelsea and Arsenal?


By the way, since we've won eight out of ten already shouldn't we be entitled (no deliberate selection of that word) to get carried away? Our best start to a Premiership season ever, beating the top two from last season and both Champions League finalists - one away from home? Cause for optimism, can you get carried away and what is an acceptable level of celebration, optimism, confidence etc? Where is the point at which it becomes "carried away" ? Suggesting we can win winnable games? Possibly suggesting we'll walk the league or win easily at old trafford might be that, but is anyone (seriously) suggesting the league is a foregone conclusion?

[Lando_Griffin]

No.

[Scottbot]

Personally I'm starting to look at Martins and think he's completely wasted at Newcastle.  A better team giving him better service would make him look a lot better than he looks in that team.  Newcastle probably need the money and he'd likely jump at the chance of a move.  I'm just saying he's someone I'd keep in mind.

It's a good shout mate. I like Martins and agree, completely wasted at Newcastle. I'm surprised Arsenal didn't follow up their interest a season or so back. His injury record is a bit of a worry but he's a quality player.

[maypaxvobiscum]

Personally I'm starting to look at Martins and think he's completely wasted at Newcastle.  A better team giving him better service would make him look a lot better than he looks in that team.  Newcastle probably need the money and he'd likely jump at the chance of a move.  I'm just saying he's someone I'd keep in mind.

It's a good shout mate. I like Martins and agree, completely wasted at Newcastle. I'm surprised Arsenal didn't follow up their interest a season or so back. His injury record is a bit of a worry but he's a quality player.

unless im mistaken, i recall some posters here saying he has a release clause?

[Rafa D]

The rotation was a bit ridiculous last night.

It worked out all right in the end but if we would of dropped points last night, the press would of had the knives out today. Agger, Maschereno, Keane, and Riera all out. It was risky business especially the dropping of Riera in my opinion. However I think he has played every game since he signed so we were expecting it sometime.

Last night showed me that Riera is such a quality player, compared with his opposite winger - Pennant. He has got the skills but he's brain dead. Utter bumholes and a right winger with a bit of nous about him should be on the agenda at Christmas.

Good news is, that the team that played against Chelsea will probably be out against Spurs and hopefully with the inclusion of Torres on the bench. As Spurs showed last night they are good going forward but can't defend for toffee so as long as we be sensible and as decisive as we have this season it could go our way.


Still going to say 1 - 1.

Because everytime I have thought we would drop points, we aint.

[Rafa D]

Look at our next few league games...

Tottenham Hotspur A
West Brom H
Bolton A
Fulham H
West Ham United H
Blackburn Rovers A
Hull City H

On paper there we have 4 home games that should all really be nailed on wins.  Then 3 away games that are more tricky but that we would still be clear favourites in.  Following this run of games we have our next 'big' game against Arsenal.

21 points available in those 7 games.  We need to take 17 points minimum, allowing for possibly 2 draws given that there are a couple of tricky away games.  21 points is not out of the question though.

The Arsenal game will pretty much take us up to Christmas then, and going into that game I think we'll have a much better idea of where our season is going.  If we haven't lost momentum by then, or better still extended our lead at the top (which is very possible with that run of games), then we'll be in a great position, and who knows what can happen.

We beat spudz away, Bolton away, Fulham at home and West Ham at home last season.

That said we drew against Stoke and should have won, we won at villa last season and drew there this. We should be aiming at absolute minimum seven points from those four games, settle for nine or ten, but wouldn't ten wins in a row (including WBA) really send out a message and put the pressure on the mancs, Chelsea and Arsenal?


By the way, since we've won eight out of ten already shouldn't we be entitled (no deliberate selection of that word) to get carried away? Our best start to a Premiership season ever, beating the top two from last season and both Champions League finalists - one away from home? Cause for optimism, can you get carried away and what is an acceptable level of celebration, optimism, confidence etc? Where is the point at which it becomes "carried away" ? Suggesting we can win winnable games? Possibly suggesting we'll walk the league or win easily at old trafford might be that, but is anyone (seriously) suggesting the league is a foregone conclusion?

If would of said we will win 8 and draw 2 out of the first ten games reguardless of opponents you would of loved it, as that start would almost certainly see you top or there abouts. The fact we have alreadly beat United at home, and gone to Chelsea and Everton and took maximum points is a massive acheivement. Add in a point at a fast improving Villa and we have every right to be hopeful.

[taff]

Rafa actually rotated last night

Just for the record I dont see B Mick as fickle.  I might disagree with some of his points but thats what a discussion forum should be about. 

I think Rafa has adjusted but not seen the light as he has succesfully used his style in Spain.  He has adapted to this particular league and this squad.  His basic principles remain the same IMO.

But the confidence we are beginning to gain is immense IMO and I love the fact that nobody thinks we will be there in May so less pressure, but hopefully that will change by January

[tubby]

All im saying is if we end up still finishing 4th we will look silly for getting so excited so early. Arsenal had an 11 point lead last season and look what happened to them.

if you want to look and feel silly bav, thats fine. but if some of us want to enjoy the excitement that a sniff of a challenge can bring - despite what happens in 2 or 3 months time - then leave us to it, eh?

Should we be getting carried away? Like I said we will look like muppets if we do. Anyway here is your f.ucking answer people. League winners your having a laugh We cant even beat the bottom team.

[SupitsJonF]

All im saying is if we end up still finishing 4th we will look silly for getting so excited so early. Arsenal had an 11 point lead last season and look what happened to them.

if you want to look and feel silly bav, thats fine. but if some of us want to enjoy the excitement that a sniff of a challenge can bring - despite what happens in 2 or 3 months time - then leave us to it, eh?

Should we be getting carried away? Like I said we will look like muppets if we do. Anyway here is your f.ucking answer people. League winners your having a laugh We cant even beat the bottom team.

I honestly don't know what needs to go through someones mind to post this, its like they are clueless.  Chelsea and Arsenal can't even beat the bottom team at home, I'm going to write them off too.

Hull for the title then by your logic.

Your right in saying we shouldn't of been carried away, but we also shouldn't get carried away by the loss.