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[redspirit]

The last thing I want to say on this thread is...there are reasons why so many are disatisfied with Houllier.  It did not just happen overnight.

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

Cmon Houllier get over it ,the Mancs used to be the tabloids favourites then came the papers new darlings Arsenal & Chelsea ,basically their fickle ,Fleet street always have give more coverage to the current pace setters ,but i must stress it is rare for the Echo to display serious reservations,as they for a long time have been pro Houllier,but even they advocate a change is due ,its not a conspiracy its just the way the press work ,stop being so Paranoid the last thing we need is a siege mentality at our club, us and them  is not the scenario we need .So in conclusion i suggest Houllier stops spitting his dummy out so often and gets on with the remainder of the season,we need a grown up at the helm of this great club who accepts  responsibility and welcomes criticism because without it we will never learn our faults

[Scottbot]

Personally, i think Houllier has recently beeen trying to create a bit of a siege mentality. Can sometimes be a good thing in sport e.g. England at the 90 World Cup

[Leonmc0708]

Sometimes, a managers expression of these thoughts and feelings are serving as method to madness.

The players will feel more together, and put in more effort for "THE CAUSE".

[Dalglish]

Owzat Comments "Stu asks for it with his attitude towards other users NOT his opinion. Many discussions descend to stu's level, no surprise he got kicked off another site. Note Dalglish shares quite a lot of stu's opinions yet funnily enough he doesn't get as much "stick", if any"

I'm going to stick my head above the paraphet here and guess that Stu and myself are "Attenders" at home and some Away matches (I've been 6 Away this season). please dont take that as as indication that i think my viewpoint is more valid than those that dont attend regularly OK ? Also no offence intended for those that do attend . I'm willing to admit that perhaps this colours my judgemensts sometimes. I dont think I agree with Stu actually Owzat on the GH situation and what should/could/needs to be done. Its just that when you attend the game and spend as much time as we do its just goes against the grain to slag off LFC or anybody associated with the club , past or present.

My main gripe on here is the systematic and vitriolic treatment of GH by Fans on this forum. yes I KNOW your unhappy , Yes I KNOW you think he's not going to bring the holy grail to Anfield but when it gets as personal as it has done on this forum many times since I joined it saddens me cos I grew up Liverpool FC were /are different and their fans reflect that difference. We dont have ball boys, until recently  we didn't have a scoreboard and we sure as hell dont have a stuffed Liver Bird as a mascot. We honour players/managers contracts, we conduct business in a  right and proper way and on the eve of 15 years anniversary of Hillsborough , treat the issue with sensitivity and dignity.

Maybe I'm hoping for too much when feelings run so high but sometimes it reminds me on here of theose Radio phone ins that are so prevalent these days in that there is much huff an puff but no solutions or long term answers to the problems.


In closing , I actually think it will be no bad thing if GH decides to leave at the end of this season but I can guarantee he WON'T be SACKED , its NOT the Liverpool Way ..............


Walk On ....

[Woollyback]

Neither is mediocrity the Liverpool way, Dalglish.

I don't HATE GH, I just think (like many of us on the forum) he's taken the club as far as he can and it's time for a natural progression. Anyone who wishes him ill fortune should hang their head in shame and accept that they are not the true voice of LFC's supporters. However we cannot hang onto him for sentimentality's sake.

Let him bow out with dignity and respect and acknowledge that the time is right for things to move on. Sadly I think he will be here next season and eventually leave under a cloud.

I don't think anyone here really bears any true malice for GH, rather it's too easy to misinterpret the context in which some posts are written.

But the time is right for change.

[Dalglish]

Fair and well laid out comments Woolyback , I wish there were more in that vein though mate ? I can't disagree with a  word you have said on GH in that post but looking at some of the  previous comments leaves you must admit a bit to  be desired ? I dont accept its banter , I just believe sometimes we get sucked into a particular way of speaking our mind and if we can't be constructive or funny then so many resort to disrespectful and cheap shots. For the record i think its time for a change too and wont we all hear the clicjes then for GH .............."Took LFC as far as he could", "Brought the fans some great times" "Wish him well in his future, blah blah blah ........ The world is full of soundbites I suppose , whatever happened to originality LOL:D

[Woollyback]

Back to your previous post I think we should all think back 15 years. Kinda puts all this Houllier stuff into perspective doesn't it?

Do not give up our pursuit for Justice for the 96

[Dalglish]

Footballs changed so much since 1989 mate . In many ways for the better but Hillsborough had a profound effect on this great club. Dalglish's inability to cope with the ensuing 12 months post Hillsborough necessitated his early exit and although i know we won the League in 90 , the decline had already started. Souness sped that decline up and the advent of the Premier League and the influx of foreign players whilst improving the standard of football in England didn't help LFC  as Souness and Evans bought poorly equipped players. Houllier for me has brought Liverpool into that new era and up till 18 months ago belief that we could challenge for the top honours. Sadly it appears not to be  but lets least agree to only blame GH for the last 2 seasons not eh last 15

[Woollyback]

That sums it up pretty well. Football's become a money-game and I think we need to punch our weight sometimes and be a bit more aggressive off the field

[Dalglish]

The main reason we can't punch our weght OFF the field is cos we dont punch our weight ON it !!!!!! Looking at this squad i can;t believe how much we have uderachieved this seaon to be honest . I accept we have had injuries to KEY players where as the Henry's , Nistolroy's and Lampards have hardly missed a game but we have under performed big style this season particualrly at some of the so called smaller clubs, Losses at Portsmouth(Twice!!!), Soton (Twice) and Charlton not to mention losing all 3 home games against Chelski, a#se and Man U have ben hard to take . I truly believe that next season we will surely do better, the squads lacking a top quality RIGHT midfielder and someone of true pegigree to partner Owen. People laugh at me but I'd love to see Alan Curbishley at LFC and I think Kluivert (at end of contract) would be a wise purchase for Liverpool in much the same way Gary Mac was ....anyway time wil tell my friend .

Walk on ...

[Owzat]

Owzat Comments "Stu asks for it with his attitude towards other users NOT his opinion. Many discussions descend to stu's level, no surprise he got kicked off another site. Note Dalglish shares quite a lot of stu's opinions yet funnily enough he doesn't get as much "stick", if any"

I'm going to stick my head above the paraphet here and guess that Stu and myself are "Attenders" at home and some Away matches (I've been 6 Away this season). please dont take that as as indication that i think my viewpoint is more valid than those that dont attend regularly OK ? Also no offence intended for those that do attend . I'm willing to admit that perhaps this colours my judgemensts sometimes. I dont think I agree with Stu actually Owzat on the GH situation and what should/could/needs to be done. Its just that when you attend the game and spend as much time as we do its just goes against the grain to slag off LFC or anybody associated with the club , past or present.

My main gripe on here is the systematic and vitriolic treatment of GH by Fans on this forum. yes I KNOW your unhappy , Yes I KNOW you think he's not going to bring the holy grail to Anfield but when it gets as personal as it has done on this forum many times since I joined it saddens me cos I grew up Liverpool FC were /are different and their fans reflect that difference. We dont have ball boys, until recently  we didn't have a scoreboard and we sure as hell dont have a stuffed Liver Bird as a mascot. We honour players/managers contracts, we conduct business in a  right and proper way and on the eve of 15 years anniversary of Hillsborough , treat the issue with sensitivity and dignity.

Maybe I'm hoping for too much when feelings run so high but sometimes it reminds me on here of theose Radio phone ins that are so prevalent these days in that there is much huff an puff but no solutions or long term answers to the problems.


In closing , I actually think it will be no bad thing if GH decides to leave at the end of this season but I can guarantee he WON'T be SACKED , its NOT the Liverpool Way ..............


Walk On ....

mate, we're all frustrated and have different ways of showing it. Houllier's record has been poor over the last 50+ games and he is the likeliest source of the problem. stu digs into other people with little comments and bitchiness and gets it back in his face. I don't agree with JBG and others on O'Neill but don't feel I have to stoop to stu's level. I don't always agree with you but are we at each others' throats?

I'd love to walk out the house on a saturday or sunday afternoon and watch Liverpool every time they play at Anfield, but it just isn't possible at the moment. Be thankful that you are the lucky one(s). I feel the TV gives you a better insight into the match, but being there is always seen as more dedicated.

If sacking Houllier isn't the answer, what is the answer? What do you think the problem is if it isn't Houllier? We all generally agree that we have a good team - Dudek/Kirkland, Carragher, Hyypia, Henchoz, Finnan, Kewell, Gerrard, Hamann, Murphy, Owen and Baros - so what do you see as the problem? Most of that team is available.............

[Dalglish]

Hiya Owzat, thanks for the reply my friend, I read it with interest. I didnt want to give the impression I believed fans who attend are more dedicated than those that watch on TV as i dont believe this is always the case. I'm lucky , i live within 12 miles of Anfield and I have to be honest i'm not sure I'd travel every other week so dedications not the issue. By the way on the why i wouldn't travel long distances to Anfield is based on the poor atmosphere at 17 out of 19 home fixtures. I've been 6 Away matches this season and everyone was better than the home games (Even Wolves away on a  wet Wednesday night !LOL:P. )
I was seeking to explain why Stu and myself probably appear to have the same opinions (attenders Vs Non Attenders) I dont fully understand why I can't quite bring myself to slag off the team or GH , although i've probably done it many times privately.

My reply above to comments on this thread speak for themselves I believe, I'm not blind to whats going on and i think GH's performance and conduct this season can be called into question, its simply the way some choose to do it that hurts me as a Liverpool Fan cos At Liverpool we are known for being different in the way the fans treat thier managers, Even Souness didn't get as rough a ride as this even though he probably deserved it !!!!!

As for the answers i'll leave that for another thread i think , take care lad and lets hope for a good performance tomorrow

[RED BEERGOGGLES]

THE ATMOSPHERE AT THE EUROPEAN GAMES THIS SEASON ,HAS BEEN THE BEST IVE HEARD FOR A WHILE, ESPECIALLY MARSEILLE EVEN MY LITTLE LAD GOT WARY OF THE NOISE ,I KNOW THET MIGHT SOUND TERRIBLE BUT I REMEMBER AS A KID THE HINT OF FEAR AT THE WALL OF NOISE THE KOP USED TO PRODUCE AND THE APPREHENSION OF ALMOST BEING SUCKED IN WHAT A HIGH, SADLY THE ATMOSPHERE AT MOST HOME GAMES IS BECOMING STERILE AND AS STAGNANT AS THE MANCS, THE HUMOUR HAS GONE AND WE GENERALLY GET OUT SUNG EVEN BY FARMERS WITH CHIMES ,NOW THATS SAD NEARLY 30 YRS MAN AND BOY AND IM FORCED TO WITNESS THIS DECLINE