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There was a bit on bbc radio last night asking what is best for Liverpool fc RIGHT NOW.

There view was that our owners will still be at the club for at least a year and even if they do sell it they will not sell all of it.

with that in mind they then asked what is next for our manager, all of them stuck up for Rafa and said how bad the owners were to act like this but they could not se how Rafa could stay at the club with what has gone on.
They said that Rafa knows now what the owners think of him, they also said to be fair to the owners that Liverpools results in the Prem since Rafa has been at the club did not match what he has spent.
With that also in mind they felt that it was time for Rafa to move on.
they did pick a job for Rafa and that was as Manager of Spain, they felt that if he ever got that job he would do very well and had a great chance of winning the world cup.

Right now I would say Rafa should stay. He deserves the rest of this season to show what he can do. If he fails and gets the sack in the summer, I think thats fair enough, but to get rid of him halfway through the season is stupid.

Whether he wants to stay is another thing.

I think he's too young for the Spain job, and would probably want another top club.

I think you are right about the spain job.

If he is to stay at our club what should be asked of him now, what should his target be, we know he is a good Cup manager and that is a given so i dont feel that it should be taken on how well we do in the cups, it should be more to do with how well he cn do in the Prem from here on in. If he can take 95% of all points that are open to us i think that would show that he has what it takes to stay manager.

95% is based on draws with the other big clubs.

I don't think you can dismiss cups mate. Just imagine if we do the double (CL and FA cup) are you going to say he has to go because we only finish 4th?

I suppose we all have our own ideas about what would be enough, but for me, any cup final and 4th place would be enough to give him another chance.

Early exits from the cups and 5th place and I think he should go.

Anywhere in between and it will probably depend on my mood at the time 

[Scottbot]

Haven't read anything on here for a while so soz if i repeat everything already said and writrten, in fact i've pretty much buried my head in the sand as far as football goes. I have been having some real doubts about Rafa's ability to bring the title back to Anfield over the course of this season. I've questioned whether whether he is the right man for the job and i guess the owners have been doing the same thing BUT WHAT FU..C..K..I...N...G KIND OF SHOW ARE THEY TRYING TO RUN HERE? They've made his position completely untenable. Who would want to work under these conditions? The only reason he hasn't walked is because he loves the club and he loves the fans. F..U..C..K..I..N CLOWNS the pair of them. I always thought David Moores was a class act but I'm only really appreciating that now these two morons have come in. All that B..U.L..L..S..H..I..T about "knowing the history of the club" and "what it means to the fans" ABSOLUTE BOL..L..L..O..X. If they had any clue about what this club means to the fans they wouldn't have turned us into a BLOODY SOAP OPERA. This is a club with the richest history in England. A club that does (did) things the right way, with dignity, with respect, WITH CLASS and this is mirrored by the fans. IT'S CALLED THE LIVERPOOL WAY you f.u..c...k..i..n pair of numbnuts    

[lakes10]

There was a bit on bbc radio last night asking what is best for Liverpool fc RIGHT NOW.

There view was that our owners will still be at the club for at least a year and even if they do sell it they will not sell all of it.

with that in mind they then asked what is next for our manager, all of them stuck up for Rafa and said how bad the owners were to act like this but they could not se how Rafa could stay at the club with what has gone on.
They said that Rafa knows now what the owners think of him, they also said to be fair to the owners that Liverpools results in the Prem since Rafa has been at the club did not match what he has spent.
With that also in mind they felt that it was time for Rafa to move on.
they did pick a job for Rafa and that was as Manager of Spain, they felt that if he ever got that job he would do very well and had a great chance of winning the world cup.

Right now I would say Rafa should stay. He deserves the rest of this season to show what he can do. If he fails and gets the sack in the summer, I think thats fair enough, but to get rid of him halfway through the season is stupid.

Whether he wants to stay is another thing.

I think he's too young for the Spain job, and would probably want another top club.

I think you are right about the spain job.

If he is to stay at our club what should be asked of him now, what should his target be, we know he is a good Cup manager and that is a given so i dont feel that it should be taken on how well we do in the cups, it should be more to do with how well he cn do in the Prem from here on in. If he can take 95% of all points that are open to us i think that would show that he has what it takes to stay manager.

95% is based on draws with the other big clubs.

I don't think you can dismiss cups mate. Just imagine if we do the double (CL and FA cup) are you going to say he has to go because we only finish 4th?

I suppose we all have our own ideas about what would be enough, but for me, any cup final and 4th place would be enough to give him another chance.

Early exits from the cups and 5th place and I think he should go.

Anywhere in between and it will probably depend on my mood at the time 

lol.

I only say about the Cup as its nothing new, I take it they are looking for him to show them something new and that would be to get 2nd or 3rd or 4th if the gap was closed on the top 3.

my idea about or club is that it should be a Prem winning club so far we have not looked like it (well we did at the start).

as i say Cups are not new for Rafa so he needs to close the gap at he top if he stays and close it fast or they will get rid of him if it looks like he can not do that.

[Igor Zidane]

There was a bit on bbc radio last night asking what is best for Liverpool fc RIGHT NOW.

There view was that our owners will still be at the club for at least a year and even if they do sell it they will not sell all of it.

with that in mind they then asked what is next for our manager, all of them stuck up for Rafa and said how bad the owners were to act like this but they could not se how Rafa could stay at the club with what has gone on.
They said that Rafa knows now what the owners think of him, they also said to be fair to the owners that Liverpools results in the Prem since Rafa has been at the club did not match what he has spent.
With that also in mind they felt that it was time for Rafa to move on.
they did pick a job for Rafa and that was as Manager of Spain, they felt that if he ever got that job he would do very well and had a great chance of winning the world cup.

Right now I would say Rafa should stay. He deserves the rest of this season to show what he can do. If he fails and gets the sack in the summer, I think thats fair enough, but to get rid of him halfway through the season is stupid.

Whether he wants to stay is another thing.

I think he's too young for the Spain job, and would probably want another top club.

I think you are right about the spain job.

If he is to stay at our club what should be asked of him now, what should his target be, we know he is a good Cup manager and that is a given so i dont feel that it should be taken on how well we do in the cups, it should be more to do with how well he cn do in the Prem from here on in. If he can take 95% of all points that are open to us i think that would show that he has what it takes to stay manager.

95% is based on draws with the other big clubs.

I agree with you on that point saint but, if Rafa stayed surley it's going to be virtually impossible for him to work properly knowing that the bosses want him out ,know matter what he does. If we can all see they want him out ,then he obviously knows it. He's in a bit of a no win situation really . I suppose all he can do is carry on for his pride and dignity. It's a bit like the situation Ranieri was in at Chelsea , the last season he knew he was getting shipped out but,he carried on and left with a lot of pride and respect from a lot of people. That's how i'm seeing it now really.

[Dalglish]

You get the feeling that even if Rafa won the Premiership, the Champions League, the FA CUP and the tiddlywink World Championships that he is "surplus to" in the the eyes of the owners !

Lets strip away the where and wherefors and take a moment to understand what has happened here.................

Hicks and Gillet have courted someone else for the managers job at Liverpool Football Club with a view to sacking our current manager mid season, something that has never happened at our club ! So much for the traditions of the club hey !

I suppose it's a tad romantic I know to put forward the idea but Sport and business don't mix, ones based on financial gain and the other's a passion not dependent on profit.

All I want from the rest of this season is to know that Benitez will still be there in May irrespective of what we achieve in terms of trophies. In a weird kind of way recent events have took the pressure off Rafa to win games and succeed as it's diverted attention away from him and onto the owners.

I know many of you would still like to put terms and conditions on Benitez but in a starnge kind of way the winning of trophies becomes irrelevant now set against the backdrop of what we now know about the owners ultimate goals !

[Scottbot]

If your going the game tonight sing your heart out for him because I think it is perhaps the last chance you will get. I don't think he will be here for the Villa game tbh. Whether he's the right man for the job or not. Things should not pan out like this. It's a fuc..k..in..g disgrace. HATE seeing our club dragged through the press like this

[account deleted by request]

There was a bit on bbc radio last night asking what is best for Liverpool fc RIGHT NOW.

There view was that our owners will still be at the club for at least a year and even if they do sell it they will not sell all of it.

with that in mind they then asked what is next for our manager, all of them stuck up for Rafa and said how bad the owners were to act like this but they could not se how Rafa could stay at the club with what has gone on.
They said that Rafa knows now what the owners think of him, they also said to be fair to the owners that Liverpools results in the Prem since Rafa has been at the club did not match what he has spent.
With that also in mind they felt that it was time for Rafa to move on.
they did pick a job for Rafa and that was as Manager of Spain, they felt that if he ever got that job he would do very well and had a great chance of winning the world cup.

Right now I would say Rafa should stay. He deserves the rest of this season to show what he can do. If he fails and gets the sack in the summer, I think thats fair enough, but to get rid of him halfway through the season is stupid.

Whether he wants to stay is another thing.

I think he's too young for the Spain job, and would probably want another top club.

I think you are right about the spain job.

If he is to stay at our club what should be asked of him now, what should his target be, we know he is a good Cup manager and that is a given so i dont feel that it should be taken on how well we do in the cups, it should be more to do with how well he cn do in the Prem from here on in. If he can take 95% of all points that are open to us i think that would show that he has what it takes to stay manager.

95% is based on draws with the other big clubs.

I agree with you on that point saint but, if Rafa stayed surley it's going to be virtually impossible for him to work properly knowing that the bosses want him out ,know matter what he does. If we can all see they want him out ,then he obviously knows it. He's in a bit of a no win situation really . I suppose all he can do is carry on for his pride and dignity. It's a bit like the situation Ranieri was in at Chelsea , the last season he knew he was getting shipped out but,he carried on and left with a lot of pride and respect from a lot of people. That's how i'm seeing it now really.

I know mate, the only real hope is if DIC buy them out. Maybe if they sacked Parry they could perhaps bring someone in who could act as an intermediary between Rafa and H&G, but I doubt it.

I think when Bascombe called Rafa a "dead man walking" he called it right. 

[tommycockles]

In a weird kind of way recent events have took the pressure off Rafa to win games and succeed as it's diverted attention away from him and onto the owners.

This is very true- but completely wrong- Rafa should be responsible for the results and where we are in the league however the Americans are stealing the headlines with their stupidity. I honestly don't think they can recover from this as they can't seem to understand how things are done in the England never mind Liverpool so will only contniue to harm us in their project to make money. Liverpool will always come second to their fight for profits.

[heimdall]

Gillett and Hicks now have the backing of just over one per cent of the fans

Fkn Heimdall

   

What the hell have I done this time, I am actually agreeing with you lot and I get stick. I give up    No not really 

[lakes10]

the way i see it now is that Rafa is as good as gone.

but what is best for the club, ask your self this

let Rafa stay at the club till the end of the season knowing he is gone (this means there will be no one building a team for next season.

or

let him go now so we can get a manager in place before the end of the season to build a team for next season.


the owners leaving is not going to happen, even if they sell they club they will not sell all of it.

or how about this.

the owners meet with Rafa and tell him that they will let him go at the end of the season, they agree to pay Rafa 4mil, Rafa can look for a job and can meet with other clubs during that time.

[puroresu]

the way i see it now is that Rafa is as good as gone.

but what is best for the club, ask your self this

let Rafa stay at the club till the end of the season knowing he is gone (this means there will be no one building a team for next season.

or

let him go now so we can get a manager in place before the end of the season to build a team for next season.


the owners leaving is not going to happen, even if they sell they club they will not sell all of it.

or how about this.

the owners meet with Rafa and tell him that they will let him go at the end of the season, they agree to pay Rafa 4mil, Rafa can look for a job and can meet with other clubs during that time.

Its a good point.  There really is no way Rafa and the Yanks can work off the same page now. The Yanks aint going anywhere so Rafa will have to go.  Its just a matter of when?

[tubby]

But surley even if Rafa goes the point needs to be made known to the owners how unhappy we are about this.

[lakes10]

But surley even if Rafa goes the point needs to be made known to the owners how unhappy we are about this.

yes very true, the owners must find out that this is not how Liverpool do things........and some how i think they are going to find out lol.

[tommycockles]

But surley even if Rafa goes the point needs to be made known to the owners how unhappy we are about this.

yes very true, the owners must find out that this is not how Liverpool do things........and some how i think they are going to find out lol.

i hope so - if they don't REALLY get the message that we disagree with how they're running OUR club then they'll continue to take the pi.ss out of us and we will continue our downward spiral to Mediocrity.

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to be fair to the two clowns, Moores contacted Mourinho with the offer of a job while Houllier was still our manager, and maybe even Rafa himself? So I think they do have some sort of an argument , but I don't think Moores tried to rub salt into the wound by announcing it to the world.