Liverpool FC Forum

[Rob Sallnow]

It would be very interesting to hear the board/owners reaction if Rafa confirmed in the press that he had had secret talks with Real Madrid to take the managers job there as 'insurance' in case all the rumours in the press about his job being on the line were true. I imagine they'd sack him for gross misconduct and complain to UEFA about Madrid 'tapping him up'.

All in all a pretty shitty thing to do.

[The Manhattan Project]

I do like the fact that Hicks and Gillett were preparing for the worst and had a plan in place.

You actually believe that  Heres me thinking you where intelligent 

Please, by all means, tell me what you consider to be "intelligent".

Posting a picture of a burning American flag?


If that's the case then all those fanatics in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Syria must be geniuses then.

[takeactionnow]

bloody hell theres me thinking this forum was about liverpool fc not bloody politics get a fecking life mate the flag burning was tongue in cheek from a fan that is off at getting dumped on by a couple of thick yanks:p

[Ciggy]

Underhand Games Are Doing Liverpool No Favours, from F365

Exactly what is Tom Hicks' game?

The Liverpool co-owner has come out with some interesting stuff in his time at Anfield, but his latest comments about Jurgen Klinnsman not only take the biscuit, but scoff the whole packet, then another packet bought to replace the first one.

For anyone that may have missed his word in the Liverpool Echo's ear, here they are again:

"We attempted to negotiate an option, as an insurance policy, to have him [Jurgen Klinsmann] become manager if Rafa left for Real Madrid or other clubs that were rumoured in the UK press.

"Or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason."

What possible reason could there be for Hicks to announce this?

There are two real possibilities; either he knows exactly what he is doing and is playing a sly game with Benitez, or he genuinely has no concept of how football works and has a thumping case of foot-in-mouth disease.

The former option is most likely, but even that seems massively counter-productive.

By announcing this when he has absolutely no positive reason for doing so, he can only be looking to put pressure on his mutinous manager.

And why would he want to do that? Liverpool have a passionate, often supportive but always demanding fanbase, and they do quite enough to pressure any manager without any of the suits getting involved.

It is just possible that Hicks and partner George Gillett have already decided that this season is a write-off, and that they're trying to ease Benitez out?

By announcing that they have essentially offered Benitez's job to someone else while he is in situ, they have at best undermined him and at worst given Benitez a perfect excuse to resign.

Even the wording of the statement suggests he is up to no good.

For a start, what sort of chairman/owner bases their managerial decisions on reports in the press? Why would a man who has rubbished newspaper rumours in the past, suddenly become so panicked about a bit of massively ill-informed tittle-tattle that he goes straight out and taps up another manager?

It smacks of the flimsiest of excuses from the Americans.

The second part of his reasoning is also loaded with meaning - "In case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason."

'For some reason'? How can someone talk about that in the abstract with a straight face?

What could that possibly be, other than the thinnest of thinly-veiled warnings to Benitez to hush up and stop carping in the press? "We can replace you like that Rafa, pipe down."

Whatever the hell they are up to, this proves that Hicks and Gillett are not good for Liverpool. If they want rid of Benitez, they should sack him, not play such ludicrous games.

Whatever you think about Mike Ashley and Chris Mort, they didn't f**k around at Newcastle. They decided that Sam Allardyce wasn't the man they wanted, and they sacked him.

As long as this sort of uncertainty hangs around Liverpool, they will never reach the glories of years past.

Nick Miller

[jono]

i firmly believe Rafa will not be at the club next season, how can he possibly stay when he does not have the backin of the owners or that d*ck head parry. Rafa has not helped matters by the sarcastic interview and all the rumors of other clubs are after him, its a total shambles and we are on the pitch as well. Can someone tell me how this situation can be resolved without the yanks or Rafa leaving? there is no trust between both parties, i personally don't believe anything that is said by any of them, i'm seriously *d off with the whole situation

lets wait and see what Rafa has to say about it all

[Ciggy]

Please, by all means, tell me what you consider to be "intelligent".

Posting a picture of a burning American flag?


If that's the case then all those fanatics in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Syria must be geniuses then.

MP it was a joke, just leave it now Ive deleted the flag although at tommorrow nights game plenty will be getting burned around Anfield..

[Emerald Red]

Underhand Games Are Doing Liverpool No Favours, from F365

Exactly what is Tom Hicks' game?

The Liverpool co-owner has come out with some interesting stuff in his time at Anfield, but his latest comments about Jurgen Klinnsman not only take the biscuit, but scoff the whole packet, then another packet bought to replace the first one.

For anyone that may have missed his word in the Liverpool Echo's ear, here they are again:

"We attempted to negotiate an option, as an insurance policy, to have him [Jurgen Klinsmann] become manager if Rafa left for Real Madrid or other clubs that were rumoured in the UK press.

"Or in case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason."

What possible reason could there be for Hicks to announce this?

There are two real possibilities; either he knows exactly what he is doing and is playing a sly game with Benitez, or he genuinely has no concept of how football works and has a thumping case of foot-in-mouth disease.

The former option is most likely, but even that seems massively counter-productive.

By announcing this when he has absolutely no positive reason for doing so, he can only be looking to put pressure on his mutinous manager.

And why would he want to do that? Liverpool have a passionate, often supportive but always demanding fanbase, and they do quite enough to pressure any manager without any of the suits getting involved.

It is just possible that Hicks and partner George Gillett have already decided that this season is a write-off, and that they're trying to ease Benitez out?

By announcing that they have essentially offered Benitez's job to someone else while he is in situ, they have at best undermined him and at worst given Benitez a perfect excuse to resign.

Even the wording of the statement suggests he is up to no good.

For a start, what sort of chairman/owner bases their managerial decisions on reports in the press? Why would a man who has rubbished newspaper rumours in the past, suddenly become so panicked about a bit of massively ill-informed tittle-tattle that he goes straight out and taps up another manager?

It smacks of the flimsiest of excuses from the Americans.

The second part of his reasoning is also loaded with meaning - "In case our communication spiralled out of control for some reason."

'For some reason'? How can someone talk about that in the abstract with a straight face?

What could that possibly be, other than the thinnest of thinly-veiled warnings to Benitez to hush up and stop carping in the press? "We can replace you like that Rafa, pipe down."

Whatever the hell they are up to, this proves that Hicks and Gillett are not good for Liverpool. If they want rid of Benitez, they should sack him, not play such ludicrous games.

Whatever you think about Mike Ashley and Chris Mort, they didn't f**k around at Newcastle. They decided that Sam Allardyce wasn't the man they wanted, and they sacked him.

As long as this sort of uncertainty hangs around Liverpool, they will never reach the glories of years past.

Nick Miller

Good article and basically to sum it up, no matter what happens, the club still loses. Currently, the situation of f*cking Rafa about is having a really negative effect. Sack him, and that's an even more negative effect. These two rats are no good for this club. They are the antithesis of everything this club was built on.

[Torres 2007]

This "campaign" of LFC fans against the Yanks, is a little unfair.

is it their fault that we drew V middlesborough?
is it their fault that we drew V Wigan?
is it their fault that we drew with Man city?

rafa and the players should take some flak

Hicks and Gillette, have given Rafa a lot of money, and are expecting results!

A lot of money? Are you stoned? practically all they gave was 20 million for Torres and the rest was generated through sales of other players. Contrary to what the press tells us, Torres did not cost us 26 million or whatever it was reported to be, I can't remember the amount.

Those two b@stards have generated an ill atmosphere  at the club that's obviously having some sort of effect on the manager and players. They lied to us when the promised the Earth for the club, and told us that Rafa was their man for the job. They promised almost any player Rafa desired, and when Rafa came knocking, what did they do? Practically told the man to f*ck off. So f*ck them and f*ck anyone who takes their side or even tries to understand where they are supposedly coming from.

Silly post boy.  Rafa's had plenty o' cash be jeysus.

10m for Babel?
Arbeloa X- Millionsss
Voronin- free ok
Benayoun?

plus previous seasons:

Kuyt
Alonso
Agger
Pennant
Crouch
garcia
bellamy

and many more

Rafa  has had the cash, i just wish he would stop coming out and saying "my players played well, we controlled the game," when we were poor. they are Houllier type comments.

He should have dealt Kuyt for 8m and bought Owen back right now while the window is open. Owen is the 20+ a season real deal.

The fist half V Boro was the WORST I have ever seen LFC play.
At the start of the season, we DID genuinly have a chance of winning the league. but Mr. Tinkerman, had he not made 5/6/8 changes every GAME! then how can the side be settled!

Babel's confidence must be shot.Hot young talent, he should be playing up front, or starting every game.

As for the owners, they dont have a magic wand, and had a lot on their plate when taking over:
1. they had to settle the clubs 80m or so debt!
2. They had to make funds available to the manager.
3. They had to fund a 300/ 400m stadium

So lay off will you, you die hards.

I say,  Gary Megson in the summer.

[NANNY RED]

This "campaign" of LFC fans against the Yanks, is a little unfair.

is it their fault that we drew V middlesborough?
is it their fault that we drew V Wigan?
is it their fault that we drew with Man city?

rafa and the players should take some flak

Hicks and Gillette, have given Rafa a lot of money, and are expecting results!

A lot of money? Are you stoned? practically all they gave was 20 million for Torres and the rest was generated through sales of other players. Contrary to what the press tells us, Torres did not cost us 26 million or whatever it was reported to be, I can't remember the amount.

Those two b@stards have generated an ill atmosphere  at the club that's obviously having some sort of effect on the manager and players. They lied to us when the promised the Earth for the club, and told us that Rafa was their man for the job. They promised almost any player Rafa desired, and when Rafa came knocking, what did they do? Practically told the man to f*ck off. So f*ck them and f*ck anyone who takes their side or even tries to understand where they are supposedly coming from.

Silly post boy.  Rafa's had plenty o' cash be jeysus.

10m for Babel?
Arbeloa X- Millionsss
Voronin- free ok
Benayoun?

plus previous seasons:

Kuyt
Alonso
Agger
Pennant
Crouch
garcia
bellamy

and many more

Rafa  has had the cash, i just wish he would stop coming out and saying "my players played well, we controlled the game," when we were poor. they are Houllier type comments.

He should have dealt Kuyt for 8m and bought Owen back right now while the window is open. Owen is the 20+ a season real deal.

The fist half V Boro was the WORST I have ever seen LFC play.
At the start of the season, we DID genuinly have a chance of winning the league. but Mr. Tinkerman, had he not made 5/6/8 changes every GAME! then how can the side be settled!

Babel's confidence must be shot.Hot young talent, he should be playing up front, or starting every game.

As for the owners, they dont have a magic wand, and had a lot on their plate when taking over:
1. they had to settle the clubs 80m or so debt!
2. They had to make funds available to the manager.
3. They had to fund a 300/ 400m stadium

So lay off will you, you die hards.

I say,  Gary Megson in the summer.

No ones in the mood lad for your stupid comments so F.uck off

[Dundalk]

A sad sad day in Liverpool FCs history.

Id expect this from the likes of Newcastle or Spurs but not us. Please don't tell me we are going down that road. I thought we were above all that and anything that had to be sorted was sorted behind close doors.

I feel Rafa is now a dead man walking, much like Jol was at spurs and it is only a matter of time till he goes. A shame really because he has such a great bond with the fans.

Remember this is the man who put Liverpool back on the top of the European ladder were we belong and got us our respect back throughout Europe. He is also the man who took everyones favorite son Fowler back home and mad so many fans happy. Not to mention getting in the hottest forward in Europe to play at this club.

Throw in an FA cup and the likes of Alonso, Garcia, Agger, Mach and Babel along with all the young players he has bought for the future.

And how do we repay him?

We snake behind his back looking for a new manager and then publicly announce that we are doing it. Its a disgrace and two American should be ashamed of what they are doing to this man. I don't think they can show their faces in Anfield again.

A sad sad day in Liverpool FCs history.

[Ciggy]

I say,  Gary Megson in the summer.

fuck off gobsh!te

[Pedro Maradona]

Seriously where the feck is David moores in all of this ? iI hope to god he's trying to sort it out behind the scenes , looks bad on him aswell.

Moores was always an idiot, a miguided idiot, he inherited his money off of his father didnt he?
I knew it was bad news the minute that these americans got involved, we are worse than newcastle utd, a soap opera on the back of the sport pages of tabloid papers.
Its a disgrace what has been going on behind the scenes this year, its no wonder we arent doing well on the pitch when we have a board of directors as bad as they are.
Moores and Parry should be ashamed of the mess they have made, nor is it a coincidence that Liverpool havent been the best club in England since Moores became the chairman and now these two vindictive spineless spivs from the US
Im sickened by what this club has been reduced to and Parry is still there as a central figure in all this.
God help us because i cant see it getting any better anytime soon.
As for the Klinsmann issue, only a fool would what to bring a man in who has never managed a club side, and didnt do anything special with a german team that beat the likes of poland and costa rica and beat an argentinian team that imploded and had there own manager commit football suidide against them. Well Mr Hicks if this is your idea of a good manager, god help Liverpool Football Club in your hands.
Rant over.

[Torres 2007]

Sam Allardyce?

[Pedro Maradona]

I do like the fact that Hicks and Gillett were preparing for the worst and had a plan in place.

You actually believe that  Heres me thinking you where intelligent 

Please, by all means, tell me what you consider to be "intelligent".

Posting a picture of a burning American flag?


If that's the case then all those fanatics in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and Syria must be geniuses then.

I wonder why they are burning american flags tho? U ever wonder that? Not everyone happens to like what that flag stands for, or the american brand of imperialism that they seem to want to force on the world..... so maybe u shouldnt insulting their intelligence and maybe think why they arent actually liked...America is very rarely a victim....as anyone in Latin America will tell you....

[The Manhattan Project]

I wonder why they are burning american flags tho? U ever wonder that? Not everyone happens to like what that flag stands for, or the american brand of imperialism that they seem to want to force on the world..... so maybe u shouldnt insulting their intelligence and maybe think why they arent actually liked...America is very rarely a victim....as anyone in Latin America will tell you....

That's a debate for another time and another forum.

MP it was a joke, just leave it now Ive deleted the flag although at tommorrow nights game plenty will be getting burned around Anfield..

Manhattan condemns any Liverpool fan who burns an American flag tomorrow.