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[Thingy]

Work on the stadium will start in 60 days he said when they took over. It didnt. So why should we belive him now? All this b.*ll*c*ks he's coming out with is nonesense. All 3 should just pleasantly f.uck off out of our club.

[Igor Zidane]

and as for team selections not being important, last time i looked we were a football club, you would do well to remember that

Who said they weren't important?  Not me.  What I'm saying here however is that your view that they are more important than a very public civil war between the owners is ridiculous.  Is a manager that repeatedly selects Dirk Kuyt really a bigger concern than an owner that lies to supporters?  You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think it is.

What I can't fathom is how you can be so glib about the threat Hicks poses to the club.  As you never fail to remind us, you're Scouse and you've been going the game since long before most on here (even if you haven't been in years...a little fact you seem to glide right over whenever you get in wind-up mode).  So, tell me, how can a such a long-standing supporter of Liverpool Football Club place so much importance on the manager's team selection at a time when the owners are engaging in an unseemly and very public power struggle that jeopardizes both the good name of the club and the very nature of its operations--including its capacity to put a winning football team on the pitch?  How can you be so dismissive of the concerns most people justifiably have about the owners and insist that Rafa's the real problem?  It just boggles the mind that you, as a lifelong supporter, can't see the bigger picture here.  Shameful.

well obviously you know f*ck all about the city and the club, its a football club bob, are you saying mid table every season with no trophies every season will be ok as long as we have a nice owner?


like i say bob, actually go to a game, see what its all about, and then try and tell me the football is not important. (and yes i have been the past 5 years, i do visit the UK you know, how sad for you, even since i left i have been more than you)

what would you rather have at the end of this season, hicks still here and we win the champions league, or hicks gone and we win nothing? i suspect you will answer the first one so don't tell me the ownership is more important than the football.

so when you ask how a long standing supporter can place so much importance on team selection, i will tell you its because we are  football club first and foremost. tell you what bob, why don't we just quit playing until its all sorted out? oh i know why, its because we are a football club

Your lack of perspective is staggering.  It truly is. 

Answer the question, would you rather have another champions league win and finishing 4th with Hicks as sole owner or finish 5th and get knocked out by Chelsea but DIC buying the club?? 

Easy get rid of the yanks first and foremost . It's not about the champions league ,the premiership or rafa . IT'S ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE CLUB.

[hello_red]

I just want to see stability at the club.

In other words,

a decent transfer kity, stadium started (transfer kity to be recouped via increased gate receipts, any decent business man will do this) then with new stadium in place a decent transfer kity ebery season.

Boardroom to run the club quietly and correctly. The best interests for the club are to make money, and that will only come with a stable boardroom.

[Reg]

This post makes me very sad and shows that Hicks is a complete b.ullshitter that are finances are totally cocked up and that the press are having a field day printing anything and everything.
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April 18, 2008

Fernando Torres future under threat as banks keep watchful eye on Liverpool - The Times

Liverpool must repay £31.5 million to banking institutions in little more than a year or risk having to sell Fernando Torres and Ryan Babel.

The Times has learnt that Liverpool borrowed the money to sign Torres, the Spain forward who has scored 30 goals this season and has already become a firm favourite on the Kop, from Atlético Madrid last summer. The club then refinanced that debt on January 25, at the same time as they secured a £350 million refinancing package.

Liverpool entered into an 18-month loan agreement with interest of 9 per cent — £2.8 million a year — with a letter of credit to pay back the £31.5 million at the end of the period.

Should Liverpool be unable to pay back or refinance the loan, banks could force the sale of Torres and Babel, who was also included in the smaller refinancing package.

It is unusual for Barclays Premier League clubs to buy players in this way. Deals are normally funded using television income. Liverpool have to pay £30 million a year in interest payments on the £350 million loan, the terms of which end in July 2009. There was no official comment from the club last night.

The revelations came on a day when the turmoil at Anfield reached a nadir after Tom Hicks attempted to strengthen his grip on the club during an interview in which he demonised his enemies inside and outside Anfield. However, the Liverpool co-owner has only six weeks to raise the funds he needs if he is to achieve his goal of buying the club outright.

Having continued his assault on Rick Parry by calling his tenure as chief executive “a disaster”, Hicks admitted that his joint-ownership venture with George Gillett Jr had proved unworkable, but he is looking for the funds that would help him to buy Gillett’s 50 per cent stake and to “fix the entire financial structure of the club” while overseeing the construction of a new 70,000-capacity stadium in Stanley Park.

Gillett responded last night with a strongly worded statement in which he accused his co-owner of destabilising the club. “I am saddened at this latest outburst from Tom Hicks,” he said. “If Tom wanted a serious discussion on the issues to help the club move forward, he should bring his views to the board.

“Here we are, a few days away from a vital Champions League semi-final match and Tom has once again created turmoil with his public comments. Tom should stop. He knows that Rick Parry has my support and that airing his comments in this way will not change my position.

“Tom needs to understand that I will not sell my shares to him.”

Hicks was typically bullish about his prospects of raising the money — or, perhaps more realistically, finding the financial backing — but while he continues to explore his options with Merrill Lynch, his latest financial adviser, the clock is ticking.

Hicks has denied rumours in the City that he is under pressure to refinance his Hicks Sports Group, which holds his stakes in various sports franchises in the United States, but a deadline is looming to buy Gillett’s stake, which is the subject of a rival bid from Dubai International Capital (DIC), the private-equity investment arm of the Dubai Government.

Under the terms of their takeover 14 months ago, Hicks has pre-emption rights on Gillett’s stake in Liverpool and vice versa. That option is understood to expire 90 days after he was informed of DIC’s £200 million offer to Gillett, which was made on February 27. That period would expire on May 27, six days after the Champions League final in Moscow.

Hicks, though, maintains that he will be in charge of Liverpool for the long term, which would be bad news for Parry. “What has happened under Rick has been a disaster,” Hicks told Sky Sports News. “We have fallen so far behind the other clubs. We have still got the top brand in the world of football, but that’s no good if you don’t know how to commercialise it. Rick needs to resign. You have to be able to work with the manager and Rick has proved he can’t do that.”

Parry, who responded with a rigorous defence of his record, will not resign and is under no pressure to do so, given that only two of the club’s six directors want him to go.

Hicks said that, if he succeeds in buying Liverpool outright, he will offer Benítez a one-year extension to his contract, which expires in 2010, but, despite his newfound alliance with the manager, he remains unpopular with supporters.

[crazyhorse]

I am just really sad about this. I reserved judgement when the buy out came along but I think knew that this would happen in the end.

Our wonderful club, having its history stained by these people who understand nothing about the passion of sport - let alone the traditions of our football club is heartbraking.

However it is us, the fans that make Liverpool Football club what it is. Not two up tight Americans with no clue. Patience is needed and in the end the club is bigger than anyone or anything and it will all come good - as long as we continue to support the lads and do what we do best.

[Kharhaz]

This post makes me very sad and shows that Hicks is a complete b.ullshitter that are finances are totally cocked up and that the press are having a field day printing anything and everything.

But as long as it makes people like you, who believe anything and everything, sad, they will always be there.

[Thingy]

Parry interview on SSN looks like hes gunna burst into tears.

[Emerald Red]

Parry interview on SSN looks like hes gunna burst into tears.

F*ck him. So he should be.

[112-1077774096]

I'd prefer to see Hicks f.uck off AND for us to the win the Champions League, as all true supporters would.

it is a simple question bob based on your belief that the ownership struggle is more important than football.

so answer the simple question, what is more important?

a) hicks out
b) winning the champions league

the answer you give to this will show me what type of fan you are. the answer should be win the champions league, this then makes the football side more important than the ownership, of course i know you want both but that isnt the question here.


as for being a true fan, dont make me laugh, this coming from a guy who has never been a game     

[Bad Bob]

I'd prefer to see Hicks f.uck off AND for us to the win the Champions League, as all true supporters would.

it is a simple question bob based on your belief that the ownership struggle is more important than football.

so answer the simple question, what is more important?

a) hicks out
b) winning the champions league

the answer you give to this will show me what type of fan you are. the answer should be win the champions league, this then makes the football side more important than the ownership, of course i know you want both but that isnt the question here.


as for being a true fan, dont make me laugh, this coming from a guy who has never been a game     

It's not a question worth answering, TBH.  Both are achievable, hence I want both.  Simple really. 

[112-1077774096]

I'd prefer to see Hicks f.uck off AND for us to the win the Champions League, as all true supporters would.

it is a simple question bob based on your belief that the ownership struggle is more important than football.

so answer the simple question, what is more important?

a) hicks out
b) winning the champions league

the answer you give to this will show me what type of fan you are. the answer should be win the champions league, this then makes the football side more important than the ownership, of course i know you want both but that isnt the question here.


as for being a true fan, dont make me laugh, this coming from a guy who has never been a game     

It's not a question worth answering, TBH.  Both are achievable, hence I want both.  Simple really. 

no bob, its a simple answer, this is based on your attempt at ridiculing me for believing that the football is more important than the ownership struggle, so judging by your response you believe its more important to get hicks out than win the champions league, yet you question my support


so in all reality bob i think you probably really believe its more important to win the CL but now you can't say that as it will mean you needing to agree with me, and we all know you could never do that




   true supporter

[Rush Job]

I'd prefer to see Hicks f.uck off AND for us to the win the Champions League, as all true supporters would.

it is a simple question bob based on your belief that the ownership struggle is more important than football.

so answer the simple question, what is more important?

a) hicks out
b) winning the champions league

the answer you give to this will show me what type of fan you are. the answer should be win the champions league, this then makes the football side more important than the ownership, of course i know you want both but that isnt the question here.


as for being a true fan, dont make me laugh, this coming from a guy who has never been a game     

It's not a question worth answering, TBH.  Both are achievable, hence I want both.  Simple really. 

no bob, its a simple answer, this is based on your attempt at ridiculing me for believing that the football is more important than the ownership struggle, so judging by your response you believe its more important to get hicks out than win the champions league, yet you question my support


so in all reality bob i think you probably really believe its more important to win the CL but now you can't say that as it will mean you needing to agree with me, and we all know you could never do that




   true supporter

Try and see the big picture, and please knock on the head this im a better supporter than you sh!te, im not saying you started it btw its just as soon as a remark like that is said discussion ends and arguements begin.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

as for being a true fan, dont make me laugh, this coming from a guy who has never been a game     

peewee, on the whole I can see where you're coming from, but this is a pathetic statement. Going to match doesn't determine you a true fan or not. I go the match every week, you no longer do, does that make me a bigger fan? No, of course it doesn't. So many of the fans at the ground couldn't even tell you who Liverpool's last game was against because they have no love for the club, does that make them true fans? No, of course it doesn't.

I'm not looking for a arguement mate, just letting you know that this statement is total bollox. It's bollox when I've used it myself in the past. A match goer, doesn't make you a true fan.

A true fan is somebody who:
1)doesn't jump ship when things are bad
2)feels joy when we win and hurt we lose
3)loves the club, and looks out for how we get on, whether it be at the match, radio, video or whatever.
4)craves success upon the club. (that's not the same as gloryhunting by the way)
5)would happily share a drink with any other Liverpool fan.

[nobybob]

and as for team selections not being important, last time i looked we were a football club, you would do well to remember that

Who said they weren't important?  Not me.  What I'm saying here however is that your view that they are more important than a very public civil war between the owners is ridiculous.  Is a manager that repeatedly selects Dirk Kuyt really a bigger concern than an owner that lies to supporters?  You're living in cloud cuckoo land if you think it is.

What I can't fathom is how you can be so glib about the threat Hicks poses to the club.  As you never fail to remind us, you're Scouse and you've been going the game since long before most on here (even if you haven't been in years...a little fact you seem to glide right over whenever you get in wind-up mode).  So, tell me, how can a such a long-standing supporter of Liverpool Football Club place so much importance on the manager's team selection at a time when the owners are engaging in an unseemly and very public power struggle that jeopardizes both the good name of the club and the very nature of its operations--including its capacity to put a winning football team on the pitch?  How can you be so dismissive of the concerns most people justifiably have about the owners and insist that Rafa's the real problem?  It just boggles the mind that you, as a lifelong supporter, can't see the bigger picture here.  Shameful.

well obviously you know f*ck all about the city and the club, its a football club bob, are you saying mid table every season with no trophies every season will be ok as long as we have a nice owner?


like i say bob, actually go to a game, see what its all about, and then try and tell me the football is not important. (and yes i have been the past 5 years, i do visit the UK you know, how sad for you, even since i left i have been more than you)

what would you rather have at the end of this season, hicks still here and we win the champions league, or hicks gone and we win nothing? i suspect you will answer the first one so don't tell me the ownership is more important than the football.

so when you ask how a long standing supporter can place so much importance on team selection, i will tell you its because we are  football club first and foremost. tell you what bob, why don't we just quit playing until its all sorted out? oh i know why, its because we are a football club

Certainly the most foolish poster on here with absolutely no nouse. You seem unable to grasp simple concepts such as , the football will never be right as long as the pr!icks at the top are raping the club of all they can. You go on about team selection and tactics CAN YOU NOT SEE THE BIG PICTURE HERE???

If we were all on a plane together and the pilot dropped dead, and no one else could fly you would be the one complaining about the in flight movie!!

[112-1077774096]

as for being a true fan, dont make me laugh, this coming from a guy who has never been a game     

peewee, on the whole I can see where you're coming from, but this is a pathetic statement. Going to match doesn't determine you a true fan or not. I go the match every week, you no longer do, does that make me a bigger fan? No, of course it doesn't. So many of the fans at the ground couldn't even tell you who Liverpool's last game was against because they have no love for the club, does that make them true fans? No, of course it doesn't.

I'm not looking for a arguement mate, just letting you know that this statement is total bollox. It's bollox when I've used it myself in the past. A match goer, doesn't make you a true fan.

A true fan is somebody who:
1)doesn't jump ship when things are bad
2)feels joy when we win and hurt we lose
3)loves the club, and looks out for how we get on, whether it be at the match, radio, video or whatever.
4)craves success upon the club. (that's not the same as gloryhunting by the way)
5)would happily share a drink with any other Liverpool fan.

hey i am not the one who made the "true fan" comment mate, aim that at bob who seems to enjoy trying to ridicule my support, i was regular from 1973 until 2002 and here is a guy who has never been a game questioning my support because i have a different opinion from him.

now in my opinion going the game does make you a different level of fan than someone who has never been, just for the sheer experience of seeing things live rather than through a screen, he has never known the real passion at a game and i feel he never will.


now bob brought it up, he can take the stick that goes with making such a ridiculous comment as "true fan" when he obviously has knowledge of football gleaned from other posters on here and from the press, rather than his own opinion formed actually watching games and playing the game.

my opinion is different to his, but never question my support, its my true support that wants the club to do better and ifs that is at the expense of any individual, including rafa, then so be it