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People that are falling for Hicks PR spin har useless .

Parry needs to go but not before Hicks has left. Don't let this this tool get his way with us.

I have earlier had respect for Peewee but not anymore. Anyone that wants to destroy our club can off and that is what you are doing at the moment.

getting rid of a CEO that many of us has said for years is useless is damaging or ruining the club. How?

Looking at a new manager when it appeared rafa may be off is ruining the club. How?


sorry mate i dont buy into all the anti hicks hype, i would rather see both sides and give the guy a chance then decide. its amazing when rafa messes up he gets defended

You have to admit he/they have been lying to us mate, no debt on the club etc etc.

Then he/they were all over Parry and Rafa could go to the dogs. Parry was put in charge of any and all transfers. Yet Hicks now says he has known Parry was a waste of space for the last 6 months? 

We will start on the new stadium within 6 weeks - that was a long six weeks!

Hardly the way to build trust is it mate? I think when they took over this club they had probably more good will from the supporters than almost any new owners have ever had, to turn that goodwill around in such a short time has shown ineptitude of the highest order. Do you want people like that running our club?

i have said many times saint, i am more concerned about what happens on the pitch rather than indulging in some witch hunt, personally i dont think they lied, i think they just made mistakes and rash decisions, lets not forget they have made money available, mash, torres for example.

the fact is they own the club and are therefore part of the club and i dont see any benefit from campaigning against them. hicks is 100% right about parry, he is giving rafa a chance,the ground will be built and people are in my opinion just making the situation worse and fueling the press.

just my clueless opinion saint   

[112-1077774096]

the point i am trying to make is that there are bigger issues at the club than the owners

I 100% disagree with this point.  That is all.

   yeah its the owners fault for everything, lets blame them for things that happened before they even took over as well that are still ongoing.

bob get your own opinion rather than following the masses and you might get some respect, or at least go to a game

You've said that there are bigger issues at the club than the owners.  That is absolutely, unequivocally bollox.  How can there be any bigger problem facing the club than a civil war in the boardroom played out weekly in the press?  If you think Rafa's team selections are a bigger concern than you really do need your head checking.  And, I love this "get your own opinion" critique, as if being unique is more important than being right.  You must really love the attention, mate, to want to continue looking like a muppet just so you can say you didn't follow the crowd. 

whatever bob, you think i am wrong but thats nothing new from you is it, my opinion may be wrong, yet again it may be right, but at least its my own opinion.

and as for team selections not being important, last time i looked we were a football club, you would do well to remember that

[JoeTerp]

i don;t think i have seen this posted yet, but maybe i just didn't look carefully enough


In response Parry told BBC Radio Four's Today programme: 'It's for the board to ask me to resign and they haven't. I'm accountable to the board and this is not something the board has discussed with me.

'I have a duty at the moment to try and keep things on an even keel when there's turmoil off the pitch. I just want to do my best for the club.

'I'm focusing on the day to day. We have a Champions League semi-final coming up. There are a lot of important things to be done at the club and that's the focus.'

Parry again expressed his disappointment that the club's 'dirty linen' was being washed in public, adding: 'There's a Liverpool way, which I think I understand and will stick to, and there is clearly a different way.'

[Leonmc0708]

personally i dont think they lied, i think they just made mistakes

[metalhead]

personally i dont think they lied, i think they just made mistakes

seriously peewee, they didn't make mistakes, they lied straight to our faces, its obvious isn't it? they told us the debt is off, but we owe alot of debt, so is that a mistake? or a lie to you? It looks like a lie to me.

Hicks said at first that Rafa's is great, rafa's job is safe and will stay for a long time, but hey ho come november and they talked to jurgen klinsman, a mistake? mmmm...no.

[112-1077774096]

personally i dont think they lied, i think they just made mistakes

seriously peewee, they didn't make mistakes, they lied straight to our faces, its obvious isn't it? they told us the debt is off, but we owe alot of debt, so is that a mistake? or a lie to you? It looks like a lie to me.

Hicks said at first that Rafa's is great, rafa's job is safe and will stay for a long time, but hey ho come november and they talked to jurgen klinsman, a mistake? mmmm...no.

so you are saying moores was rash in selling to them and didnt have the clubs best interest at heart, he just wanted to make  buck without fully looking at the buyers?

i disagree mate, and working in finance you should know its normal procedure to use borrowed money, i am not worried about it, remember we ll laughed at the mancs when this happened, they are really struggling arent they   

[hello_red]

We need Benitez at this point, Champs league success or atleast decent progression every year is a must financially and we need it.

Dunno how anyone can say Benitez is destroying the club, if anything hes the only one who is actually helping.

[Bad Bob]

You've said that there are bigger issues at the club than the owners.  That is absolutely, unequivocally bollox.  How can there be any bigger problem facing the club than a civil war in the boardroom played out weekly in the press?  If you think Rafa's team selections are a bigger concern than you really do need your head checking.

that sounds good and all, but what has the greater impact on the teams record for this season? surely, especially when you only consider the remainder, it is Rafa's team selection. Our players seem good at blocking it out if it is a problem for them (evidence on our run of form despite contiunously making noise)

Certainly the issue of the owners has a much bigger impact on the close season as well as the long term state of the club, but at the same time, that means that it has a longer period to be discussed over, its not AS pressing because whether it gets solved tomorrow or the day before the close season starts, it isn't going to have much of a difference. Where as on the other hand, everyone knows that our wins and losses are determined by how much Rafa rotates 

Far too short-sighted a viewpoint, for me, Joe.  In the grand scheme of things, if Rafa screws up and rotates us out of contention he can be replaced and the club moves on.  If, however, Hicks screws up the whole fate of the club is jeopardized: massive debt, no new stadium, no new players, an owner that is prepared to siphon off proceeds to fund his other franchises, Liverpool's reputation and traditions cast aside without a second thought, and so on.  There can be no bigger problem facing our club at the moment than the civil war playing out in the boardroom and there can be no more important task than ousting Tom Hicks.  Everything else must take a backseat.  Only someone that hates Rafa beyond all sense of reason could fail to see that.

I thought that I did mention the long term implications are clearly greater at the boardroom level.

AND I was really just trying to point out that the pace of the boardroom level movement is much slower and much less urgent BECAUSE it has such a massive longer term impact on the club.  While there were a lot of interesting things said today, its nothing we haven't heard before in a way, and no actions are actually taking place.

But it is an urgent issue, mate.  Who holds the purse strings will directly impact the summer transfer funds available and, as we've heard, transfer negotiations are already under way in certain cases.  Rafa has made it very clear in the past that he would prefer to move quickly on transfers and that hinges on knowing what funds will be available and from whom.  This, of course, goes to the larger issue of whether Rafa will stay or not.  If this boardroom battle continues to drag on and he's not sure where he stands with the owners or what sort of transfer kitty he'll be allowed to use, might he be tempted to leg it?  Peewee would no doubt rejoice but it would be disastrous.  What top-calibre manager would want to replace him if Hicks and Gillett (and Parry) were still at loggerheads and lashing out at each other in the press every other week?  And what top players are going to sign with us with so much uncertainty swirling around the club?  No, if this isn't sorted very soon, mate, we might really see the wheels come off.

[Leonmc0708]

personally i dont think they lied, i think they just made mistakes

seriously peewee, they didn't make mistakes, they lied straight to our faces, its obvious isn't it? they told us the debt is off, but we owe alot of debt, so is that a mistake? or a lie to you? It looks like a lie to me.

Hicks said at first that Rafa's is great, rafa's job is safe and will stay for a long time, but hey ho come november and they talked to jurgen klinsman, a mistake? mmmm...no.

so you are saying moores was rash in selling to them and didnt have the clubs best interest at heart, he just wanted to make  buck without fully looking at the buyers?

i disagree mate, and working in finance you should know its normal procedure to use borrowed money, i am not worried about it, remember we ll laughed at the mancs when this happened, they are really struggling arent they   

He was obliged to take the highest offer, and has admitted since that he (I paraphrase) "knew nothing of Tom but trusted George".

[metalhead]

personally i dont think they lied, i think they just made mistakes

seriously peewee, they didn't make mistakes, they lied straight to our faces, its obvious isn't it? they told us the debt is off, but we owe alot of debt, so is that a mistake? or a lie to you? It looks like a lie to me.

Hicks said at first that Rafa's is great, rafa's job is safe and will stay for a long time, but hey ho come november and they talked to jurgen klinsman, a mistake? mmmm...no.

so you are saying moores was rash in selling to them and didnt have the clubs best interest at heart, he just wanted to make  buck without fully looking at the buyers?

i disagree mate, and working in finance you should know its normal procedure to use borrowed money, i am not worried about it, remember we ll laughed at the mancs when this happened, they are really struggling arent they   

Its true, anyone opening a business would loans to finance his/her own business, thats a practice any newly enterpeneur or enterpeneur would do.

Moores did make a huge mistake selling it to G+H, I always had it in mind that a coop ownership in football clubs would bring mess because partnerships tend to have conflicts of interests, which isn't good for the future. However, if you look at the situation, G+H did lie to the fans, just look at what they said from the start and mostly their promises that they did not keep.

[dawson99]

so basically our whole board of 6 needs to go? and rafa needs to start to at least want to win the league?

easy

[Emerald Red]

personally i dont think they lied, i think they just made mistakes

seriously peewee, they didn't make mistakes, they lied straight to our faces, its obvious isn't it? they told us the debt is off, but we owe alot of debt, so is that a mistake? or a lie to you? It looks like a lie to me.

Hicks said at first that Rafa's is great, rafa's job is safe and will stay for a long time, but hey ho come november and they talked to jurgen klinsman, a mistake? mmmm...no.

so you are saying moores was rash in selling to them and didnt have the clubs best interest at heart, he just wanted to make  buck without fully looking at the buyers?

i disagree mate, and working in finance you should know its normal procedure to use borrowed money, i am not worried about it, remember we ll laughed at the mancs when this happened, they are really struggling arent they   

You were laughing at the Mancs until they (Glaziers) decided to actually back their manager with a massive kitty each season. You know - actually making good on their promises and sticking their hands in their pockets. Look what it's got them. Oops. Two titles after a barren spell when the Chavs were spending mega bucks. What did Rafa get? He got to shop in Tescos. What? Torres you say? 25 mill you say? Bollox! That was money taken out of their poxy loan that they actually used to buy the club with as well. Not to mention Rafa's CL success funds. They, or he (Hicks) has NEVER put his hand in his own f*cking pocket once, yet and all he keeps making promises. He's a lying b@stard, and if you want to side with that, then frankly this club can do without your support.

[dawson99]

to say we are a pauper club is an insult. we have just spent unwisely every year for years for the most part, hence the massive turnover of players.

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personally i dont think they lied, i think they just made mistakes

seriously peewee, they didn't make mistakes, they lied straight to our faces, its obvious isn't it? they told us the debt is off, but we owe alot of debt, so is that a mistake? or a lie to you? It looks like a lie to me.

Hicks said at first that Rafa's is great, rafa's job is safe and will stay for a long time, but hey ho come november and they talked to jurgen klinsman, a mistake? mmmm...no.

so you are saying moores was rash in selling to them and didnt have the clubs best interest at heart, he just wanted to make  buck without fully looking at the buyers?

i disagree mate, and working in finance you should know its normal procedure to use borrowed money, i am not worried about it, remember we ll laughed at the mancs when this happened, they are really struggling arent they   

Its the level of debt thats the problem mate - the lying just made it worse. The mancs already have a huge stadium and are much more comercially successful than we are, yet even they are struggling to pay off the interest on their debt. How are we supposed to pay ours off and still have money for transfers AND build a new stadium ?

[Ciggy]

The woman on Sky read my email out but left most of it out.

I said Hicks is as welcome as his mate Bush in Iraq, Get out of our club now liar, Rafa is the only person with dignity and respect through this whole saga, others should follow suitand shut up and get out.

All she read out was the bit in bold.