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[2520years]

He was clearly shoved but he acted like he's swallowed his tongue or something.  No-one in the pain he was apparently in could get off the pitch without a stretcher.  He was trying to get Mullins sent off.

[Leonmc0708]

I saw him go down holding his face, and he was clearly pushed in the face by Mullins:

[Leonmc0708]

He was clearly shoved but he acted like he's swallowed his tongue or something.  No-one in the pain he was apparently in could get off the pitch without a stretcher.  He was trying to get Mullins sent off.

That might hurt though ?

[red37]

rafa says 'uncle fester' webb did agree to look again at the video. so who knows maybe some leeway might give.? though how many are holding their breath.....

listen to this do-gooder....


By Alan

What a slippery slope we will wind up on if the FA gives in to calls from Liverpool and West Ham United for clemency for Luis Garcia and Hayden Mullins after their sendings off in last night’s Premiership clash.

The red cards for violent conduct will mean both players have to serve a mandatory three match suspension each which would see them ruled out of this year’s FA Cup Final between the two clubs.

While I understand Rafa Benitez and Alan Pardew have a duty to use any means they can to keep their best players available for a big showpiece match such as the FA Cup Final, I find it a tad disconcerting that they would try and play the sympathy card to weasel some favour with the FA in their appeals.

Benitez says England should follow the Spanish model of the FA deciding on a case by case basis how many games the player should be suspended for but at this stage of the season the FA would leave themselves open to all kinds of legal challenge if they changed the rules just to suit a couple of players who couldn’t keep their hands and elbows to themselves a couple of weeks before a potential cup final appearance.

Violent conduct must be punished and harsh though it may seem in the cold light of day to the two players and managers involved, there are rules and laws governing the game for a reason and that is to provide structure and a level playing field for all clubs. To change the laws to allow two players, who were rightly sent off, a chance to appear in the greatest of domestic cup finals would make a mockery of all that the FA and it’s lawmakers stand for.


bitter blue 

[Garymac]

1 - The FA will not reduce the ban from 3 to 2 otherwise it will set a precadent (?)

But it wont mate, this is a one off incident, its not like they got sent off and are playing a different team in the final, they are playing us, no one gains an advantage, if we was playing Man u or someone then it should stand as we would gain an advantage from having Luis available, but as we are playing W Ham, this is a one off incident, and unlikely to happen again, all im saying is if both can play, who honestly does it affect out side the 2 clubs, No one.

Where as if it affected anyone outside of the 2 clubs then i could see they could keep it at 3 games.

They were both stupid but this is a punishment which neither deserve, if one had 2 footed the other one i wouldnt go one, but it was a nothing incident.

[bigmick]

I hate diving in any form and have been the first to condemn the antics of Robben and Drogba in the past, for me Garcia was no different and deserves no mercy in my opinion. Had he have reacted like a man to Mullins face-push and pushed him back, some handbags would have ensued and neither player would have been sent off.
It won't make me popular on here but we can't have it both ways. Blatant play-acting with the ultimate aim of getting an opponent sent-off is wrong. Garcia was wrong, simple as that.

[2520years]

I don't think anyone would disagree that what Luis did was wrong, and reading the previous posts seems to support this.  I just think under the circumstances, the FA could use the spirit of the law and let them be banned for the first game of next season.  Whoever WHU and Liverpool play would gain an advantage, so other teams shouldn't have anything to complain about.  No-one loses, everyone gains.

[tommycockles]

One option i heard was that they'd still get a three match ban but they could split them and carry one over to next season and could play in the final.

Personally- as much as i like Garcia- i think West Ham will miss Mullins more than we'll miss Garcia so i'm not heartbroken at the thought of him not playing!! I'd much rather us lift the cup so if it weakens them more than us that's fine with me!!

Either way- i'd be surprised if the FA do anything as otherwise every manager will be moaning when his players get sent off.

[taff]

I hate diving in any form and have been the first to condemn the antics of Robben and Drogba in the past, for me Garcia was no different and deserves no mercy in my opinion. Had he have reacted like a man to Mullins face-push and pushed him back, some handbags would have ensued and neither player would have been sent off.
It won't make me popular on here but we can't have it both ways. Blatant play-acting with the ultimate aim of getting an opponent sent-off is wrong. Garcia was wrong, simple as that.

I agree

The both of them are probably gutted and regret their actions now, but we cant go on about incidents like this and then moan if one of our own are involved

[Redman in wales]

from .tv

GARCIA LOSES APPEAL CLAIM
Paul Eaton 28 April 2006 
  Luis Garcia will miss the FA Cup final after Liverpool's appeal against his sending off at West Ham was rejected by the FA. 
Garcia was sent off for violent conduct along with Hayden Mullins during the Reds' 2-1 victory at Upton Park on Wednesday night.
 
An FA disciplinary committee today rejected their claims for wrongful dismissal and both players must now serve a three match ban with immediate effect.
 
Garcia will miss the Reds' remaining two league games against Aston Villa and Portsmouth as well as the Cup final in Cardiff on May 13.

[stmichael]

this is hardly news. there was never any chance whatsoever of the red cards being overturned. both got what they deserved.

we don't need garcia to beat west ham anyway.

[red37]

outrageous in all honesty! but we'll manage in cardiff.

[sophe_lfc_4_lyf]

Yea..
He made a bad mistake by lashing out right near the FA cup final..
But i think he could of give us a goal or something in that final because hes our big game man..
Scores the hard ones when we need them
It will be a loss dont you think? 

[The Ace1983]

It will be a loss. Cisse will probably come in. Not the best news but Djib seems to enjoy playing against West Ham, so that's a bit better. Who knows what Rafa ill try?

[dawson99]

id play cisse, hes got confidence after 2 nice goals recently and he will scare the hammers.

garcia and mullins cant play. We cant change rules whenever it suits. its a bummer garcia will miss out but hammers have a bigger blow as we have strength in depth. just gotta get on with im sorry to say and i'll miss seeing some garcia magic but we got the power to win it without him, altho he knows that we knows that he helped to get us there