Liverpool FC Forum

[Pedro Maradona]

and im sure heize can and will become 1st choice oncce he settles in and starts showing the form that made him one of the best defenders for manutd in the past years !

How far are we classing recent years. Becuase I wouldn't have Heinze in United's best 6/7 defenders over the last 10 years. That list would be Pallister, Bruce, Irwin, Neville (cu.nt), Stam, Ferdinand, Vidic. So Heinze looks good against the likes of David May/Ronny Johnsen and Sylvester? I'm sure Phil Babb would look good against those 3.

ferdinand above heinze? ? not a hope
As for the Phil Babb comment.....did u ever see that dope play???

[Pedro Maradona]

Give Paletta a break, (how many times have you seen him play? Apart from Carling Cup run outs which noone really gives a damn about anyway and he wasnt the only player to underperform was he?)besides part of the problem is that reserve football is useless, the gap between premiership and reserve football is too large so if youre not getting a look in in the first team you cant really learn, therefore a loan deal might be an option for Paletta and some of the other younger players on the reserve team, (same as Carson had last season). Some of the criticism of certain players on this website is dreadful, most of it from people who probably never played football at any level.

I don't think an honest appraisal of a player is anything unusual on a football forum, and nor do I think you are in a place to comment on how may times we have seen the lad play or indeed whether we have played football ourselves, and there is no reason why that should affect the opinions we give in any case. But then again, your name is Pedro Maradona!

granted you are entitled to to your opinion and you can say it on a forum, but why am i not to comment on how many times you have seen a player play when you make a judgement on him? and also I think playing football as opposed to solely watching it helps if you are to judge a player....thats just my opinion, im entitled to it same as you are.
Youre basing a 21 year olds ability on what? 8 games? thats not very patient is it?
my point is that nowdays it is very difficult to blood players in the top premiership teams such as Liverpool, for example managers are slow to blood a 21 year old centre half when a mistake can be the difference of making the champs league etc. as opposed to a mid table club who can afford to. I seem to remember a lot of similar negativity towards agger in his first season.
I just think the lad should be given the benefit of the doubt this season and i think a loan spell might be good for Paletta.

now getting back to the forum topic of Heinze has he actually come out with a statement saying he would like to join Liverpool? That would be great to upset ferguson the hypocrite.

[kunilson]

With all United's problems over Tevez, why didn't we go through all this with Mascheranho, there owned by the same company aren't they?

we didn't have problems over Mascherano cos West Ham didn't want the player, and so they ripped up his registration which they didn't do for Tevez...kia owned the economic rights to mascha, and we paid them 1.5 mil as part of the loan deal.

For Tevez, after West Ham got punished, had the choice to either 1)terminate all dealings with kia 2)stop playing Tevez, or 3)bring the third-party agreement with kia in line with rule U18 of the premier league rule.
They decided to terminate their deal with kia and keep rights over the player, in doing this they have to answer to the premier league for all future dealings with Tevez.
Now they wouldn't be able to simply terminate the player's contract, and have left themselves open to legal action from kia for breach of contract......which is what is going on at the moment.

source: The Times

[Paul C]

With all United's problems over Tevez, why didn't we go through all this with Mascheranho, there owned by the same company aren't they?

kia owned the economic rights to mascha, and we paid them 1.5 mil as part of the loan deal.

Don't they make cars? and used to sponsor Madrid when Torres was there, maybe theirs some connect here   

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Gabriel Heinze, says The Guardian, 'has defied Sir Alex Ferguson and Manchester United by taking the extraordinary step of employing Liverpool's legal advisers to secure what would be a controversial and highly acrimonious move to Anfield.'

'His action is on the grounds that United had allegedly agreed in writing to sell him to any club that matched their valuation of £6m.'

ManYoo have indicated that they will fight the legal action, and have brought in their own solicitors. But is there really any point, other than to secure as much money as possible?

After all, ManYoo's fans are unlikely to think kindly of someone trying every trick in the book to get a move to their most hated rivals. Nor is Sir Fergie, whose own feelings about Liverpool are public knowledge.

[Leonmc0708]

http://football.guardian.co.uk/News_Story/0,,2136038,00.html

Gabriel Heinze has defied Sir Alex Ferguson and Manchester United by taking the extraordinary step of employing Liverpool's legal advisers to secure what would be a controversial and highly acrimonious move to Anfield.
Heinze is so desperate to quit United he has appointed Richard Green, a partner at the Liverpool office of Hill Dickinson. Green specialises in working on legal cases for Liverpool and, acting on behalf of Heinze, he has instructed Andrew Green of the London-based Blackstone Chambers. It represents a hostile move on Heinze's part and United have indicated they are willing to fight him all the way, bringing in their own solicitors, Brabners Chaffe Street, to fight their case.

The latest development in what is becoming a major political dispute effectively makes Heinze's position at Old Trafford untenable, even if he does not get the transfer he craves, and will seriously damage his standing among United's supporters. On Wednesday Ferguson appealed for the Argentina international to show some loyalty to the club, pointing out the favourable treatment he received when recovering from a serious knee injury in the 2005-06 season. Instead Heinze has made it clear he wants to join their most despised rivals and that he will not tolerate staying at a club where Patrice Evra is now regarded as the first-choice left-back.
His action is on the grounds that United had allegedly agreed in writing to sell him to any club that matched their valuation of £6m. Liverpool submitted that bid last week but United refused to do business with their old foes. Heinze has two years remaining on his contract and United's lawyers will argue that he must honour his present deal.

[Wilhelmsson]

heinze is better than anything we got atm...
we would have far better defensive options with him part of the squad...lets not forget hes also a great CB and we seem to need cover in that area...

if we manage to sign him, we'd have

finnan(arbeloa)    Carra(hyypia)        Agger(heinze)      riise/heinze(aurelio)

seems better than what wev got if you ask me...
and im sure heize can and will become 1st choice oncce he settles in and starts showing the form that made him one of the best defenders for manutd in the past years !

Heinze’s style is different to what Liverpool house at the back at the moment, I’m not convinced he’s a must have signing (especially with the United connection) no matter how much talent and ability he has.

If we sign Heinze, then someone will have to make way for Heinze and be sold from the club, and who is to say, Heinze will like the rotation policy at the club? After all his positions are CB and LB. Aurelio, Riise, Carragher, Hyypia, Agger, Arbeloa, Paletta will all offer competition for places within the positions Heinze requests to be played in. Heinze doesn’t seem like a player who likes to compromise, he seems very dogmatic in his persona.

I’d like to see what Aurelio and Arbeloa offer us this season and IMO Aurelio was starting to show promise before his injury and Arbeloa has still been adjusting after having what I thought was an average performance rating since his arrival.

I’m not entirely convinced that LB is an issue; the club for the past two seasons hasn’t had an awful lot of problems at the back. The clean sheets to games ratio is very good and shows an accomplished defence.

[god_bless_john_houlding]

Yeah I did see Phil Babb play, throughout his time before, during and some parts after his Liverpool and Rep. Ireland career. As for Ferdinand or Heinze, as far I'm concerned both are a waste of time, but I'd have Ferdinand ahead of Heinze.

[Pedro Maradona]

Yeah I did see Phil Babb play, throughout his time before, during and some parts after his Liverpool and Rep. Ireland career. As for Ferdinand or Heinze, as far I'm concerned both are a waste of time, but I'd have Ferdinand ahead of Heinze.

and you still think babb is a better option than heinze or even ferdinand?......... emmm okayyyyy

[spion]

No no no. This player didnt even look like a footballer last season & i cant believe that the smelly sock is trying to stop the transfer. We'll be stiched if we get him & the manure will be laughing. I know that in the "world of football" he is still regarded by many as a "world class" player but I feel he is at best near the end of his time as a player & we would just be a "pension fund" for this highly overrated Manure cast off....

[The Grudge]

No no no. This player didnt even look like a footballer last season & i cant believe that the smelly sock is trying to stop the transfer. We'll be stiched if we get him & the manure will be laughing. I know that in the "world of football" he is still regarded by many as a "world class" player but I feel he is at best near the end of his time as a player & we would just be a "pension fund" for this highly overrated Manure cast off....

Heinze would be an asset to our team!

For you to state that he is not a good player basically highlights the fact you are ignorant.He's a very very solid defender,the fact that Fergie does not want him at LFC or any other good English club is testament to this.

Heinze wants away as he has been dropped to the bench because fergie prefers Evra.Heinze when he was playing well for UTD was every bit as good as Evra if not better(before his confidence was dented)and he was cast to the bench ruthlessly.

I have to admit that when i first heard of Raffas interest in Heinze i was of the opinion..no way,no Manc at Anfield!

Not now though...The way the man has stood up for himself, stood against 'Sir Alex' and the so called mighty Man UTD shows a lot of balls and strength of character that can only be admired.Fair play to him!
I think now that if we get this player we should welcome him with open arms and applaud his determination to get to the club he wants.

His days at UTD are numbered for sure..there have been players put on the scrapheap at Old Trafford for a lot less than this.
Where he will end up is anyones guess...id love him at Anfield this season!

[kazza]

Gabriel Heinze will not consider his Manchester United future until he returns from holiday.

The defender is looking to leave the Premier League champions due to concerns over his first-team chances and has been the subject of a bid from Liverpool.

United have rejected the offer, but legal advice has been sought from Heinze and Liverpool regarding a letter given to the Argentine's agent.

The former Paris Saint Germain full-back is currently on a break after playing in the Copa America and is trying not to focus on football.

"I am on holiday, but may return next week and say more," Heinze told the News of the World.

"For now I am a United player, but I am not saying anything else.

"I don't want to think about it and I don't want to think about football. I am on holiday and only want to think about the things I don't during the season."

United have been confident in their position regarding the letter given to Heinze's agent, which stipulated he can leave if a certain fee is met.

Liverpool feel it entitles the defender to join any club, but Red Devils chief executive David Gill claims it only concerns overseas teams.

Gill said: "There is this famous letter. I wrote to Heinze and his agent to give them an indication of what value we require for, effectively, an overseas transfer.

"If there is overseas interest and the valuation is right I can see him moving on."

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I guess it all depends on the wording in the letter. The letter is a contract but did they say "overseas". I guess we will know soon. Ferguson seems very confident he will not join and he must have seen the letter.

[Paul C]

Players can always get out of their contract cos contracts don't mean jack anymore, if a player wants to move then they can if they kick up enough of a fuss and take it to court.

[Wilhelmsson]

Players can always get out of their contract cos contracts don't mean jack anymore, if a player wants to move then they can if they kick up enough of a fuss and take it to court.

Their clubs can also refuse to sell them and allow them to sweat on the bench until their contracts are finished. Players hold a majority of the cards when dealing with their careers. On the flipside their club can make it equally difficult for them to leave.

How long does Heinze have on his current MU contract?

[Lando_Griffin]

Worst case scenario is that he sits tight until January, then buys himself out of his own contract.

We have the scum by the goolies and they know it.