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[Ace Ventura]

I also agree with the variation part, thats the point i was making when i initially replied.
It might make no difference whatsoever as teams in the premiership in general are so well organised.
But if every now and then we saw a little more positive movements or a longer throw down a channel that was planned with a runner it could catch a side off guard if they have switched off momentarily.

Not a major issue no, but worth considering yes.

[GYBS]

GYBS I think by variation heimdall means adopting longer throws into the box rather than short throw ins..
Not necessarily sticking to one but trying out both during a game.

Then people need to watch our games as on the odd occasions we do throw it into the box - on the odd occasions but there is no point doing it when 1. We dont really have someone who can throw it long liek riise etc and 2. we dont have a big target man to get on the end of it .

[GYBS]

I also agree with the variation part, thats the point i was making when i initially replied.
It might make no difference whatsoever as teams in the premiership in general are so well organised.
But if every now and then we saw a little more positive movements or a longer throw down a channel that was planned with a runner it could catch a side off guard if they have switched off momentarily.

Not a major issue no, but worth considering yes.

it is tried but the chances of things like that are slim but have seen them happen a number of times to players but its all about where the ball goes out and at what stage of the game we are at and the score and the time and off course the options available on the pitch . Im pretty sure the players just go with what they think is the best option as opposed to rafa saying lets just use a throw in short every time .

[Madmax]

I also agree with the variation part, thats the point i was making when i initially replied.
It might make no difference whatsoever as teams in the premiership in general are so well organised.
But if every now and then we saw a little more positive movements or a longer throw down a channel that was planned with a runner it could catch a side off guard if they have switched off momentarily.

Not a major issue no, but worth considering yes.

it is tried but the chances of things like that are slim but have seen them happen a number of times to players but its all about where the ball goes out and at what stage of the game we are at and the score and the time and off course the options available on the pitch . Im pretty sure the players just go with what they think is the best option as opposed to rafa saying lets just use a throw in short every time .

Yeah chances are fairly limited and for real its a advantage if you have a player with a good throw..
For me its a decent weapon to have in any team.

[GYBS]

Just need a target man as well to throw the ball to - but then you start to concentrate lumping the ball to him like we used to do with crouch a lot .

[Bad Bob]

WARNING: I'm coming back in here in a minute to lock the thread and clear out all of the irrelevant rubbish that passes for most discussion on here these days.  Ignoring posters you don't get on with is usually a good strategy rather than simply spamming threads with whinges about them.  Of course, bragging about ignoring said posters is also unneeded spam.  Back in a couple with the pruning sheers.

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Clean up is complete but people would be well advised to swerve the petty spats and stick to the topic at hand.

[Madmax]

Just need a target man as well to throw the ball to - but then you start to concentrate lumping the ball to him like we used to do with crouch a lot .

TBH i know crouchs main asset was his height but at times i used to hate the long balls that he had to deal with. Alot of the time the ball was not reached at the target and thus its wasted.. It did work for us aswel but its like 50/50 situation.

We could elaborate this even more and then debate the long balls given to crouch could have reached its target if the quality of the player whipping the ball to crouch was flawless..

Basically like you mention if we were to use the long throw to the box option often then you would need a player with a good throw.. With quality you get results!!

[GYBS]

i think aurelio can throw it long but it not really done that much unless its late in the game and your searching for a goal - balls throw into the box arent really the type of balls torres or any off our attacking players thrive on , they all want balls to feet so a short throw in to feet is used more often as it helps you to keep the ball then try and build it again .

[Madmax]

i think aurelio can throw it long but it not really done that much unless its late in the game and your searching for a goal - balls throw into the box arent really the type of balls torres or any off our attacking players thrive on , they all want balls to feet so a short throw in to feet is used more often as it helps you to keep the ball then try and build it again .

Yeah it depends on what the attacker prefers more or what he feels he would be more capable of in order to execute a strike,pass etc..

[GYBS]

And what do our attackers prefer mate ? either balls into feet or one to chase onto - not many want them in the air for them to challenge to give a knock down too someone els e.

[Madmax]

i really dont know what they prefer i think i have to ask them   yeah for real majority prefer it to thier feet rather then air.. Anyways back to the thread discussion what i would sum it up as... Use the long throw technique if you have a player capable of throwing quality balls,consider how the situation is during the game and determine if it would produce results!
As with us i think its a strategy that shouldnt really be used so i would prefer short throws and maintaining possession..

[Sabre]

How many throw ins we squander?

For years I have been saying that LFC do not take throw ins seriously (i.e. whether they are as much of an advantage that other teams seem to think.)

We constantly get throws in every game, have no one to receive and invariably give the ball back to the opposition.


Can anyone shed light on why this happens?
Any stats?

It's an interesting question, but to be honest, I hadn't noticed we were playing badly that part of the game this season.

I did notice though, that we had a man with a powerful throw in in Riise, and many fans didn't appreciate that at all.

Throw in are important because if you press well a oppo throw in that may cause lots of trouble, but to be perfectly honest, I hadn't focused on that when I've been watching games.

I'll look at it now.

[Sir Roger]

As usual in threads such as this some people seem to hijack it and take it way off course.
GYBS seems in particular to have a hair up his ars.e about the relevance of whether a throw in is important in the great scheme of a match.
That was my point.
It can be used as a weapon with the launch method, but that is not what I am on about. Im talking about the run of the mill, we are on the attack and weve got a throw in, but nobody seems to want to take advantage of the situation type of thing. Its not that important in our thinking and, if the ball is not given away immediately or just after the throw, its not used as a springboard for an attack. Seldom do we see the advantage of a throw in. We see the player who is going to take the throw get the ball (often given by someone else who was going to take it but doesnt) and then there is usually a lapse where players meander over, or away from the thrower. No urgency. No flow. Of course it can be worked on in training. If it was deemed as a good way of launching an attack or a way to keep possession. But is seems obvious that it is looked upon as maybe just a disruption of the passing?
Of course I am generalising but there is a style to every teams play and the throw in, like has been said on this thread does not seem to be a particularly relevant to Rafas philosophy. Otherwise we would make better use of them

[Scottbot]

As usual in threads such as this some people seem to hijack it and take it way off course.
GYBS seems in particular to have a hair up his ars.e about the relevance of whether a throw in is important in the great scheme of a match.
That was my point.
It can be used as a weapon with the launch method, but that is not what I am on about. Im talking about the run of the mill, we are on the attack and weve got a throw in, but nobody seems to want to take advantage of the situation type of thing. Its not that important in our thinking and, if the ball is not given away immediately or just after the throw, its not used as a springboard for an attack. Seldom do we see the advantage of a throw in. We see the player who is going to take the throw get the ball (often given by someone else who was going to take it but doesnt) and then there is usually a lapse where players meander over, or away from the thrower. No urgency. No flow. Of course it can be worked on in training. If it was deemed as a good way of launching an attack or a way to keep possession. But is seems obvious that it is looked upon as maybe just a disruption of the passing?
Of course I am generalising but there is a style to every teams play and the throw in, like has been said on this thread does not seem to be a particularly relevant to Rafas philosophy. Otherwise we would make better use of them

But I still don't see what you are getting at to be honest? I think you are saying that there isn't enough urgency in our throw-ins but for the most part, our throw-ins come against sides that are already pretty much set-up behind the ball, particularly at Anfield, surely? Taking them more quickly isn't going to give us any particular advantage that I can see. I think i see the game pretty well, as good as the nest man anyway, and i can't recall watching a game in the last few years and thinking 'why didn't we do that? Why didn't we take that throw more quickly? Why didn't he make that run? etc. I'll certainly pay more attention over the next few games mind

[Scottbot]

How about this as a tactic: Throwing the ball more than 2 metres, maybe try and throw it over the head of a defender into the path of a rampaging Gerrard or Torres, it's worth trying now and then isn't it. Variety is the spice of life and all that.
Generally we are very very poor at set pieces which is a bit of a surprise considering we have a master tactician as a manager. it's obviously not something Rafa puts much weight in.

That is the type of sarcasm that should be reserved for aspects of our game that are GENUINELY lacking. Regardless of any other criticisms, please don't try and pretend that throw-ins are a big problem, that they are some sort of weakness, that the other top sides make a better job of them, that we desperately need to work on them, because it simply isn't true.

You see this is the kind of post that annoys the hell out of me, this is just having a go at me, it doesn't further the discussion at all. Where did I say that we are worse than other teams at throw ins? All I'm saying is that throw ins should be treated as a set piece and a lot more imagination should be employed, just look how well Stoke utilise their throw ins for example. Now not everybody has a long throw specialist but my point is that you can do a hell of a lot more with a throw in than MOST top teams do at present.

Oh get off yer high horse lad, it's not having a go at you at all. Simply responding to a post you made that was full of sarcasm and snipes at the manager which were not deserved in my opinion, it's one thing to have pop at his tactics, his subs, and his starting line-ups, he bloody deserves a fair amount of it but to then extend it to throw-ins!?! You then talk about using 'imagination' at throw-ins and use Stoke (a team that throw the ball as far as they can in the direction of the oppo goal-keeper every time they reach the half-way line) as an example?

Watch the mancs next time they play, watch Arsenal, see if they do anything particularly imaginative at throw-ins.