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[Ace Ventura]

How much variation can you get from a throw in thou mate unless you have a long throw specialist in your team ? yeah you can throw in the odd quick one when there is an option on , its not like you can do anything fancy with them or anything tricky to unlock a defence - its used in the main to get the game going again and to get you possession after the oppo has kicked the ball out . Most player appeal to gain the advanatge of getting the ball and keeping possession . its not like a free kick or a corner where you can work out routines .

I know there isnt a great deal that can be done but the odd clever movements could help create space or a chance at a quick break etc.

[Owzat]

Honestly you could ask if it makes a lot of difference in the long run. We throw it in, pass the ball way back to our holding midfielders or CBs, or they get the ball and hoof it upfield to our holding midfielders or CBs.

Swings and roundabouts, if all we're doing with throw ins is keeping possession then we're doing nothing more than we tend to do with the ball anyway - lots of possession, no cutting edge. The single problem with a throw in can be the direction the receiving player is facing, if you throw in and the receiving player is facing the throw then it isn't likely to go forward, more likely backwards or sideways ie is easy to defend. If you can throw the ball for the receiving player to run onto then it's a good tool. But if defended properly, you'll probably find most throws end with the receiving player having to shield the ball/possession from a man behind him, unless he can turn him then it might be better just to throw it to the defender and hope he hoofs it upfield.

Build a glass wall around the pitch, no throw ins. Anyone remember the old indoors footy was on TV for a while? Seem to recall us playing man city in one game, might be wrong, with Molby in our side and possibly players like Hinchcliffe in their's.

[GYBS]

How much variation can you get from a throw in thou mate unless you have a long throw specialist in your team ? yeah you can throw in the odd quick one when there is an option on , its not like you can do anything fancy with them or anything tricky to unlock a defence - its used in the main to get the game going again and to get you possession after the oppo has kicked the ball out . Most player appeal to gain the advanatge of getting the ball and keeping possession . its not like a free kick or a corner where you can work out routines .

I know there isnt a great deal that can be done but the odd clever movements could help create space or a chance at a quick break etc.

yeah that is more down to the player and instinct as opposed to anything that can be trained or coached and all down to the the game and the options open - we have on occasions done quick throws in etc but our throw ins are no different than any off team bar the likes of stoke who use it as their main weapon .

[heimdall]

Cant see any problem with this thread.

I wouldnt say its something that i have noticed alot, but can see why someone would discuss it.

Players do seem to appeal all the time for throw ins and then we dont really take much care or try anything different often enough.

I am not advocating long throws into the area, more players movement when we win a throw, a quick positive run into a dangerous area could help unlock stubborn defences etc.

It seems that throw ins are just stoppages in the game that we then just throw the ball backwards most of the time, the odd variation with this could help...you never know.

How about this as a tactic: Throwing the ball more than 2 metres, maybe try and throw it over the head of a defender into the path of a rampaging Gerrard or Torres, it's worth trying now and then isn't it. Variety is the spice of life and all that.
Generally we are very very poor at set pieces which is a bit of a surprise considering we have a master tactician as a manager. it's obviously not something Rafa puts much weight in.

[GYBS]

That tactic has been done a few times in matches but the chances of that happening in a match are pretty slim .

[Roger Red Hat]

Cant see any problem with this thread.

I wouldnt say its something that i have noticed alot, but can see why someone would discuss it.

Players do seem to appeal all the time for throw ins and then we dont really take much care or try anything different often enough.

I am not advocating long throws into the area, more players movement when we win a throw, a quick positive run into a dangerous area could help unlock stubborn defences etc.

It seems that throw ins are just stoppages in the game that we then just throw the ball backwards most of the time, the odd variation with this could help...you never know.

How about this as a tactic: Throwing the ball more than 2 metres, maybe try and throw it over the head of a defender into the path of a rampaging Gerrard or Torres, it's worth trying now and then isn't it. Variety is the spice of life and all that.
Generally we are very very poor at set pieces which is a bit of a surprise considering we have a master tactician as a manager. it's obviously not something Rafa puts much weight in.

it's almost as if Rafa try's to work on the rest of our game and thinks 'well, if we score from a free kick so be it' move on.

[Scottbot]

It seems that throw ins are just stoppages in the game that we then just throw the ball backwards most of the time, the odd variation with this could help...you never know.

I don't think it's much different for any of the other top teams to be honest with you mate. If the left-mid is taking the throw you can guarantee the left-back will be free to receive the ball so that is the option the thrower will take. Long throws into the box, and feet and backs followed by a cross into the box (we lack the target man to do either this season) are the only real variation you see in your typical game. Of course the quick throw is always a weapon whe your playing on the break and the oppo are struggling to get back but that is something that tends to happen against as opposed to for us.

[Scottbot]

How about this as a tactic: Throwing the ball more than 2 metres, maybe try and throw it over the head of a defender into the path of a rampaging Gerrard or Torres, it's worth trying now and then isn't it. Variety is the spice of life and all that.
Generally we are very very poor at set pieces which is a bit of a surprise considering we have a master tactician as a manager. it's obviously not something Rafa puts much weight in.

That is the type of sarcasm that should be reserved for aspects of our game that are GENUINELY lacking. Regardless of any other criticisms, please don't try and pretend that throw-ins are a big problem, that they are some sort of weakness, that the other top sides make a better job of them, that we desperately need to work on them, because it simply isn't true.

[Ace Ventura]

It seems that throw ins are just stoppages in the game that we then just throw the ball backwards most of the time, the odd variation with this could help...you never know.

I don't think it's much different for any of the other top teams to be honest with you mate. If the left-mid is taking the throw you can guarantee the left-back will be free to receive the ball so that is the option the thrower will take. Long throws into the box, and feet and backs followed by a cross into the box (we lack the target man to do either this season) are the only real variation you see in your typical game. Of course the quick throw is always a weapon whe your playing on the break and the oppo are struggling to get back but that is something that tends to happen against as opposed to for us.

Your probably right Scott, all i was saying is that sometimes it might well make a difference and the topic starter seemed to get the p!ss taken out of him a bit about starting it.

It is something thats brought a couple of pages so far of debate so its obviously something worth considering.

But yeah i do realise that most of the time the quick show for feet and back is the best option.

[Madmax]

Long throws in can have a decent effect but usually its a 50/50 scenario.. I remember it was one of the world cup when a certain african team adopted the long throw weapon. Worked fairly well with them. If its a good throw it could be slighty like a mini corner you could say..
Preferably its better to stick to short throw and maintain possession.

[heimdall]

How about this as a tactic: Throwing the ball more than 2 metres, maybe try and throw it over the head of a defender into the path of a rampaging Gerrard or Torres, it's worth trying now and then isn't it. Variety is the spice of life and all that.
Generally we are very very poor at set pieces which is a bit of a surprise considering we have a master tactician as a manager. it's obviously not something Rafa puts much weight in.

That is the type of sarcasm that should be reserved for aspects of our game that are GENUINELY lacking. Regardless of any other criticisms, please don't try and pretend that throw-ins are a big problem, that they are some sort of weakness, that the other top sides make a better job of them, that we desperately need to work on them, because it simply isn't true.

You see this is the kind of post that annoys the hell out of me, this is just having a go at me, it doesn't further the discussion at all. Where did I say that we are worse than other teams at throw ins? All I'm saying is that throw ins should be treated as a set piece and a lot more imagination should be employed, just look how well Stoke utilise their throw ins for example. Now not everybody has a long throw specialist but my point is that you can do a hell of a lot more with a throw in than MOST top teams do at present.

[GYBS]

Stoke have a long throw specialist and no doubt train it a lot because it is there main weapon and utilize it a lot cause they dont have many other options - how do you think Torres and co would feel seeing balls constantly flying over there head into the box or constantly being asked to challenge for the ball in the air . Stoke just throw the ball in the box and through lots of bodies look for something to bounce off and capatlise on it - thats not imagnitive not good football at all . Your idea if realising a quick throw to torres to feet on the run etc is better but the chances of that happen much often in the match is slim . There isnt much imagination you can do from a throw in unlike a free kick or corner kick where other players can be involved and you can try different things - with a throw in your options are limited.

[GYBS]

We are talking about throw ins here Heimdall - what different variations can you have from a throw in as opposed to what we normally do these days anyway ??

What is peoples problem and was has flame wars got to do with anything ffs - i responded to your post in a purely football manner so what is the problem ?

You talk about imagination from throw ins ? well what imagination can be used and you use stoke as an example who just throw the ball into the box from all angles ? where is the imagination in that ?

Its only a bloody throw in there isnt much you can do apart from throw it long for someone to challenge for it or throw it short to someones feet .

[Madmax]

GYBS I think by variation heimdall means adopting longer throws into the box rather than short throw ins..
Not necessarily sticking to one but trying out both during a game.

[LegBarnes]

GYBS I think by variation heimdall means adopting longer throws into the box rather than short throw ins..
Not necessarily sticking to one but trying out both during a game.

Yeah I think its better personaly to mix up throw in's keep them guessing who have we got tho now who can throw a meen ball into the box ?

Bring back riise ?