JoeTerp wrote:Every where I turn, I read about how we need more goals from such and such a position.
Fullbacks didn't get forward enough and chip in
CBs didn't score enough from set pieces
Xabi needed to score more (and create more)
Reira needed to score more
Somehow, despite all of this, AND GERRARD AND TORRES barely playing together, we scored more goals than anybody in the competition, NINE more than United!! More than enough to win the league.
I don't see where this crying out for more goals is coming from.
Owzat wrote:Our defence is no worry, we drew 11 league games last season and in only two of those did we concede more than one goal. Only two defeats all season and those we scored only one goal in so I'd say scoring was more of a worry than conceding. I mean how many less than 27 are you thinking we should concede? And if we struggle to score then the best we can hope for is 1-0 which we managed just four times
stmichael wrote:Owzat wrote:Our defence is no worry, we drew 11 league games last season and in only two of those did we concede more than one goal. Only two defeats all season and those we scored only one goal in so I'd say scoring was more of a worry than conceding. I mean how many less than 27 are you thinking we should concede? And if we struggle to score then the best we can hope for is 1-0 which we managed just four times
I not worried about the defence per se, mainly because we have the best keeper in the league imo which inspires confidence.
I was just saying that with Carra not getting any younger, and with the injury problems that Agger and Skrtel have had in the last year, can you see us having a settled back four for a consistent run of games?
Owzat wrote:stmichael wrote:Owzat wrote:Our defence is no worry, we drew 11 league games last season and in only two of those did we concede more than one goal. Only two defeats all season and those we scored only one goal in so I'd say scoring was more of a worry than conceding. I mean how many less than 27 are you thinking we should concede? And if we struggle to score then the best we can hope for is 1-0 which we managed just four times
I not worried about the defence per se, mainly because we have the best keeper in the league imo which inspires confidence.
I was just saying that with Carra not getting any younger, and with the injury problems that Agger and Skrtel have had in the last year, can you see us having a settled back four for a consistent run of games?
Did we last season?!? We had Dossena, Aurelio and Insua at LB, Carra, Skrtel, Sami and Agger at CB, Mascherano, Carra and Arbeloa at RB - hopefully that covers all the players we used in the back four (league)
So all things considered they did pretty well, still worried about set-pieces though as our defenders seem to be caught napping and while zonal marking may not be the worst system, I think some of our players either don't always apply it properly, go to sleep or use it as an excuse to not bother defending - must be one of those surely? If lazy marking was not such an issue maybe there'd be less criticism of the system.
Owzat wrote:JoeTerp wrote:Every where I turn, I read about how we need more goals from such and such a position.
Fullbacks didn't get forward enough and chip in
CBs didn't score enough from set pieces
Xabi needed to score more (and create more)
Reira needed to score more
Somehow, despite all of this, AND GERRARD AND TORRES barely playing together, we scored more goals than anybody in the competition, NINE more than United!! More than enough to win the league.
I don't see where this crying out for more goals is coming from.
Yes, but our problem is we score them in fits and starts, not just when needed to sneak 1-0s,
And if goalscoring isn't a problem, how come we drew 11 games and didn't win the league? Because we didn't win most games and unless you think we can guarantee clean sheets, noone can, then scoring more goals MORE OFTEN is what we need. We managed 1-0 wins in the league just FOUR times, I wouldn't rest title hopes on that kind of record without changing more than just the RB and for one arguably weaker defensively (and no Hyypia anymore) No good winning 5-1 against Newcastle one (league) game then drawing with Stoke the next.
PREMIERSHIP GOALS 08/09
0 goals : P6 W0 D5 L1 F0 A2 PTS 5 (Won 0.00%)
1 goal : P9 W4 D4 L1 F9 A6 PTS 16 (Won 44.44%)
2 goals : P8 W7 D1 L0 F16 A4 PTS 22 (Won 87.50%)
3 goals : P10 W10 D0 L0 F30 A9 PTS 30 (Won 100.00%)
4 goals : P3 W2 D1 L0 F12 A5 PTS 7 (Won 66.67%)
5 goals : P2 W2 D0 L0 F10 A1 PTS 6 (Won 100.00%)
So 65 of out 86 points came when we scored 2+ goals, only once in our last 11 games did we draw and only once did we win 1-0. However nearly 1/3 of our games ended with us scoring 0 or 1 goals and we dropped TWENTY-FOUR points out of our 28 dropped points in those games. The mancs may have been somewhat lucky and won a heap of games 1-0, but do you want to switch the debate to our defending, the 4-4s and set-pieces?!? 2/7 of our goals came in just five games, 52 of the 77 goals (around 67%) came in just FIFTEEN games which is about 40% of the games.
By game 23 of the Premiership we'd scored 37 goals, the last 15 games we scored 40 - THAT'S what we need to keep up.
Games 01-23 : P23 PTS 48 F37 (PTS/GAME 2.09, GLS/GAME 1.61)
Games 24-38 : P15 PTS 38 F40 (PTS/GAME 2.53, GLS/GAME 2.67)
Anyway I can't believe someone is moaning because fans want to see MORE GOALSYou'd rather see, suffer through and hope we win 1-0 27+ times?
I think I'd rather rest my hopes on Kuyt, Gerrard, Torres and a new LWF scoring the bulk of 80+ goals than hope our defence is tighter than last season and keeps clean sheets just when we need it ie have only scored one goal
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