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[Owzat]

Rafa should sell him back to Spurs.

What to 'arry Redknapp who hates strikers who miss chances his mum could score......................!?!?!?!?! Funny how plenty on here sympathise wiv poor 'ickle Wobbie and slate Rafa's handling of him, but just imagine if he were in Bent's boots.........................

Rafa chopped and changed strikers too much, we must be on a dozen plus to have played for him in his 4.5 seasons in charge - Bellamy, Crouch, Pongolle, Baros, Cisse, Morientes, Torres, Voronin, Kuyt, N'Gog, Keane to name 11 off the top of my head without research. Plenty of those have been subject to the same or worse treatment of Keane, I don't recall advocation of cotton wool treatment for them all. The problem with this approach to strikers is a) there's no settling in period, b) there's no consistency of selection and c) you run the risk when you buy and sell of not having enough cover. c) is something I have found sometimes when playing footy management games, so active in transfers that I end up buying too many midfielders or short in another department.

Keane is currently our second best striker, like it or not. Third best is way off the standard, be it Kuyt, Babel, N'Gog or maybe even Voronin. That in itself is worrying, that we're worried about our second best striker and our best is an injury concern. I wouldn't be so worried other than for cover for Torres, we can play 4-5-1 as I strongly believe that is our best formation and makes best use of the players available - gets best out of Torres, Gerrard, Kuyt, Mascherano, Alonso and Riera (don't think it matters too much to the back four)

But along came Robbie at £20.3m and we now have to choose. Crouch didn't like being benched either so it's an old problem with a new name in Crouch's place. I think we should recall Voronin, at least that would give us an alternative to put on the bench. Who was on the bench last night worth bringing on? N'Gog? Babel?

I'm guessing we won't sign anyone in January, we need some kind of lift as our sixth draw in the last 11 league games should be telling everyone

[account deleted by request]

So wwas Rafa a good mana manager up until the Stoke game ?

We had us top like, and got the best out of some players.

Or how about Istanbul. (I think this was Carras point too). Look at the team, Traore, Baros, Cisse, Biscan, Smicer, Mellor, Nunez, LE Tallac, Welsh et all all played a part in the run in to the final, against Juventus, Chelsea, Bayer LEverkusen and Milan.

Look at the games against Olympiakos and in Barcelona - this was not good man management ? Or was it the players that did it and Rafa was just in the right in the place.

I don't think Rafa was a good man manager until the Stoke game no, and I'm surprised you've gotten hold of this point. He says himself he likes to keep a distance from players, Gerrard has said the same as have many others. He may well be a good manager (and I think that's probably what the Istanbul success is down to) but I'd be surprised if even he would lay claim to be top drawer at man management.

Still it's unproveable either way so there seems little point in arguing about it. Your opinion seems to be that he is a very good man manager, whilst other seem to think he isn't which is fair enough.

My point was that I don't the card is "impossible to play unless you're at Melwood", I think it's quite possible to form an opinion one way or another based on how players respond to him.

Its easy to form an opnion on anything based on nothing more than heresay or peoples views on an internet forum - fuc.k knows theres enough people on here that have made a career of it.

I dont think he is grat at man management - but I dont see how you can say he is garbage after what he has done either.

No one knows for sure mate I agree , but you can usually gain an opinion by judging their actions. If I see someone continually banging their head against a wall, I may not know but I can take an educated guess that sooner or later its going to start to hurt.

Rafa may be the greatest man manager alive for all I know, but taking everything I do know and have seen, read or heard into consideration my opinion is that he's not.

[lakes10]

I think he is not that great at man manager , any manager that comes out and say they did not want to buy a player (Keane) that is in his team has put no thought into how this is going to play on that players min, poor man manager.

[Owzat]

Parallel universe and different thread starters with slight tweaks on the title :

"Given that Keane is currently rubbish"
"Given that Keane is completely rubbish"
"Given* : Keane is currently rubbish"
"Given up hope : Keane is rubbish"

*as in Shay

[Sabre]

I think it's an interesting question. I thank the effort of Bigmick to focus the question in the team's needs rather than finding culprits.

However, I disagree the notion of linking Keane's current form to the need of buying another striker.

My point is, that even if Keane had 5 goals more this season and scoring like he recently was doing, it would be a fair question to ask if we need another striker.

I miss a positionally strong striker like Crouch. The problem is that it's difficult to have an international player like him without playing regularly. So yes, I'd buy another striker, but I don't relate that need to Keane's form.

[lakes10]

Parallel universe and different thread starters with slight tweaks on the title :

"Given that Keane is currently rubbish"
"Given that Keane is completely rubbish"
"Given* : Keane is currently rubbish"
"Given up hope : Keane is rubbish"

*as in Shay

"Given that Keane started to hit form and was then put on the bench and is now currently rubbish"

[Leonmc0708]

I think he is not that great at man manager , any manager that comes out and say they did not want to buy a player (Keane) that is in his team has put no thought into how this is going to play on that players min, poor man manager.

Where did you read that quote from Rafa ?

Dont tell me Radio Five Live.

[lakes10]

I think he is not that great at man manager , any manager that comes out and say they did not want to buy a player (Keane) that is in his team has put no thought into how this is going to play on that players min, poor man manager.

Where did you read that quote from Rafa ?

Dont tell me Radio Five Live.

where have you been mate, a lot of us were talking about it, not only about what he said but also trhat he was talking to NOTW.

"Benitez’s unrest stems from the Gareth Barry saga last year, when the club refused to splash £18m for the Villa man. The Spanish boss was keen to press ahead but Reds chiefs committed £20m on another target, Robbie Keane.


Benitez believes Barry was not pursued by Parry with the same vigour as Keane, a charge furiously denied by Liverpool.


The club agreed not to buy Barry and sell Xabi Alonso at a loss. When Peter Crouch was sold but Alonso’s move to Juventus broke down, the Liverpool board called off talks for Barry and bought Keane.


Benitez argues this is a decision he alone should have taken. On the day the Keane deal went through, the manager even made a last-ditch effort to block it until after Barry was signed"

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport....et.html

[Ciggy]

where have you been mate, a lot of us were talking about it, not only about what he said but also trhat he was talking to NOTW.

"Benitez’s unrest stems from the Gareth Barry saga last year, when the club refused to splash £18m for the Villa man. The Spanish boss was keen to press ahead but Reds chiefs committed £20m on another target, Robbie Keane.


Benitez believes Barry was not pursued by Parry with the same vigour as Keane, a charge furiously denied by Liverpool.


The club agreed not to buy Barry and sell Xabi Alonso at a loss. When Peter Crouch was sold but Alonso’s move to Juventus broke down, the Liverpool board called off talks for Barry and bought Keane.


Benitez argues this is a decision he alone should have taken. On the day the Keane deal went through, the manager even made a last-ditch effort to block it until after Barry was signed"

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport....et.html

No quote from Rafa there Lakes, and you should know better than posting links to the sunday S*n on here.

[lakes10]

where have you been mate, a lot of us were talking about it, not only about what he said but also trhat he was talking to NOTW.

"Benitez’s unrest stems from the Gareth Barry saga last year, when the club refused to splash £18m for the Villa man. The Spanish boss was keen to press ahead but Reds chiefs committed £20m on another target, Robbie Keane.


Benitez believes Barry was not pursued by Parry with the same vigour as Keane, a charge furiously denied by Liverpool.


The club agreed not to buy Barry and sell Xabi Alonso at a loss. When Peter Crouch was sold but Alonso’s move to Juventus broke down, the Liverpool board called off talks for Barry and bought Keane.


Benitez argues this is a decision he alone should have taken. On the day the Keane deal went through, the manager even made a last-ditch effort to block it until after Barry was signed"

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport....et.html

No quote from Rafa there Lakes, and you should know better than posting links to the sunday S*n on here.

hmm, you should tell our manager to to talk to them, use the link.

[Redbilly1960]

It is human nature to want to feel loved and wanted sadly Robbie Keane is neither loved or wanted by Rafa.It has become apparant Robbie was never wanted by Rafa and that it was a Parry signing. Keane has not become a bad player over night he is a proven goal scorer at this level and I was pleased when he signed and thought that he could at long last be Rafa'a missing peice.
We have two options sell him in the next 10 days and admit to the rest of football we made a mistake and possibly loose a few million.
or
Let the guy do what he seemed to do best, play football I am sure given a decent run in the side he will gain in confidence (how many times you heard Hansen say "its a confidence thing with strikers") Its obvious to everyone but Rafa that Kuyt aint the real deal and he really does not deserve an automatic place which is what it seems he is getting week in week out.
Maybe when he has scored a few goals Rafa will grow to love and want him and then maybe 20.3 million will be seen as a bargain.
We need to make a decision let him go or stick with him and play him alongside Nando not keeping the bench warm.

[Leonmc0708]

where have you been mate, a lot of us were talking about it, not only about what he said but also trhat he was talking to NOTW.

"Benitez’s unrest stems from the Gareth Barry saga last year, when the club refused to splash £18m for the Villa man. The Spanish boss was keen to press ahead but Reds chiefs committed £20m on another target, Robbie Keane.


Benitez believes Barry was not pursued by Parry with the same vigour as Keane, a charge furiously denied by Liverpool.


The club agreed not to buy Barry and sell Xabi Alonso at a loss. When Peter Crouch was sold but Alonso’s move to Juventus broke down, the Liverpool board called off talks for Barry and bought Keane.


Benitez argues this is a decision he alone should have taken. On the day the Keane deal went through, the manager even made a last-ditch effort to block it until after Barry was signed"

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport....et.html

No quote from Rafa there Lakes, and you should know better than posting links to the sunday S*n on here.

hmm, you should tell our manager to to talk to them, use the link.

A few points:

1 - Dont post links to the Sunday Sun on here - you have been told about this before soft lad.

2 - The article you have posted contains no quotes.

3 - The article on the News of The World does not mention your wild accusation that Rafa has said "I did not sign Robbie KEane"

[Redman in wales]

where have you been mate, a lot of us were talking about it, not only about what he said but also trhat he was talking to NOTW.

"Benitez’s unrest stems from the Gareth Barry saga last year, when the club refused to splash £18m for the Villa man. The Spanish boss was keen to press ahead but Reds chiefs committed £20m on another target, Robbie Keane.


Benitez believes Barry was not pursued by Parry with the same vigour as Keane, a charge furiously denied by Liverpool.


The club agreed not to buy Barry and sell Xabi Alonso at a loss. When Peter Crouch was sold but Alonso’s move to Juventus broke down, the Liverpool board called off talks for Barry and bought Keane.


Benitez argues this is a decision he alone should have taken. On the day the Keane deal went through, the manager even made a last-ditch effort to block it until after Barry was signed"

http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport....et.html

No quote from Rafa there Lakes, and you should know better than posting links to the sunday S*n on here.

hmm, you should tell our manager to to talk to them, use the link.

rafa was speaking at a general press conference. At no point does it say rafa spoke to the news of the world.

[tonyeh]

So is it therefore ALL down to Rafa that Torres and Gerrard are so good - after all he plays htem wll the time when htey are fit.

These players need to feel the love dont they.

Torres and Gerrard are world class players and would be the same in any team no matter who their manager was.

So then surely KEane would be a good player no matter who his manager was ?

You cant have it both ways - if its Rafa's fault we do one thing, its got to be him who is responsible for our success in another area.

Fickle.

You're missing the point Leon.

Torres and Gerrard aren't taken off the pitch at 60 minutes every game (and mostly for players who won't make the slightest bit of difference). They aren't benched when the score and they aren't subbed in the middle of a hat-trick.

All of which Rafa has done to Keane since day one.

That's bound to have a negative effect on a player.

Benitez's management of Keane has been abysmal. Sure, Robbie could have kncoked a few ore of those "sitters" in, but for me, Rafa is to blame for Keanes utter failure at Liverpool.

I think the rot though has well and truly settled in now. Keane knows every game that he has an hour on the pitch and he'll be dragged off for some nothing like Lucas or Benny or N'Gog.

Keane won't see another season at Liverpool.

[stmichael]

It is human nature to want to feel loved and wanted sadly Robbie Keane is neither loved or wanted by Rafa.

No player is "loved" by Rafa. He's not that type of manager.

If any player has needed to be "loved" in the past it's been our skipper. If you've read his book you'll see that he's always been a very insecure individual who was very close to Houllier. Infact you could say Ged got too close to some of the players. Rafa is the complete opposite.

As for not wanting him, if that's the case then something is seriously wrong at the club.