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[Ciggy]

Got any suggestions then?

Michael Owen.

[bigmick]

Yes we need a new striker, but not heskey

Got any suggestions then?

I ask because there's nobody out there. January is a really poor time to buy and the top clubs, especially the big four hardly ever buy in this window. All the best players are cup-tied and everyone ends up paying over the odds for players as they become desperate.

I'd stick to 4-5-1 now, Torres as lone striker until the summer to get another quality striker..erm.. like Tevez, who may actually leave

As long as Torres stays fit, and as long as he doesn't mind playing in lots of games, we haven't got a problem. If he does get injured or need a rest though, we are a bit stuck. I'm with Lynds on this one and I'd give Newcastle 5 or 6 million quid for Owen. If not, we definately need someone else IMHO.

[metalhead]

Yeh, I agree with the Owen idea, would definitely test Newcastle with a 5m or 6m quid this month.

[Toffeehater]

When he was scoring and interested rafa took him and benched him , if it was me i'd be uninterested as well , give him 5 matches in a row with torres and lets see how that partnership develops

[Toffeehater]

Got any suggestions then?

Michael Owen.

, i'm all for owen but whether rafa can swallow his pride is another thing

[Fowler_E7]

Im sure if Keane got a decent run of games, he would score some goals, he has always scored his goals in burst throughout his career and is clearly a confidence player. If Rafa showed half the faith in Keane that he showed Kuyt im sure the lad would kick on and get goals on a fairly regular basis. IMO we should play the lad through the bad spell, which probably will be no longer than 3 dodgy games and let him get some game time and confidence, other wise whats the alternative? our other striking options are appalling bar Torres, and though i think Micks shout of Crespo is an excellent one, the likelyhood of Rafa going out and getting someone like that is extremely low. Last of all for Rafa's own sake he has to make a go of it with Keane for his own reputation blowing £20m on a dud striker will stain his reputation massively

[lakes10]

The "not a good man manager" card is impossible to play unless you have been on the board, in hte changing room and at MElwood.

Not sure I totally agree with that one Leon. It's fair that nobody could know for certain, but you can have an educated guess based on how players perform.

It's fair to say for instance based on what we can see that martin O Neil is a good man manager. You could equally argue that perhaps he isn't tactiucally astute (I wouldn't necessarily agree but you could argue it) but judging from how he gets players to perform, he's a good man manager. Cloughie was, Ferguson is, Mourinho is.

You don't need to be in the dressing room to know that, you can see it with your eyes and from the way the players perform.

I'm not necessarily saying that Rafa isn't any good at it, but some people are very good at it and the effects are fairly obvious.

So wwas Rafa a good mana manager up until the Stoke game ?

We had us top like, and got the best out of some players.

Or how about Istanbul. (I think this was Carras point too). Look at the team, Traore, Baros, Cisse, Biscan, Smicer, Mellor, Nunez, LE Tallac, Welsh et all all played a part in the run in to the final, against Juventus, Chelsea, Bayer LEverkusen and Milan.

Look at the games against Olympiakos and in Barcelona - this was not good man management ? Or was it the players that did it and Rafa was just in the right in the place.

Leon i need to pick you up on a point about the Istanbul games and Raffa.

I think it was Dietmar Hamann that done the interview when he left the club and when asked about the game and how the team picked themselves up at half time said something like this.

"Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher stood up and opend the door, one of them said do you hear that, thats our fans, the still believe we can do it and so do i. both of them started to tell us how we could go out there and be the best we can, this lifeted the team so much that as we walked back out we could hear 'you'll never walk alone' blasting out from our fans, it was a great team talk from two true Liverpool players"

(i had the last bit saved from another forum so i am not sure its 100%)
the point being that it was the players that lifted the team and not Rafa that day

[Fowler_E7]

The "not a good man manager" card is impossible to play unless you have been on the board, in hte changing room and at MElwood.

Not sure I totally agree with that one Leon. It's fair that nobody could know for certain, but you can have an educated guess based on how players perform.

It's fair to say for instance based on what we can see that martin O Neil is a good man manager. You could equally argue that perhaps he isn't tactiucally astute (I wouldn't necessarily agree but you could argue it) but judging from how he gets players to perform, he's a good man manager. Cloughie was, Ferguson is, Mourinho is.

You don't need to be in the dressing room to know that, you can see it with your eyes and from the way the players perform.

I'm not necessarily saying that Rafa isn't any good at it, but some people are very good at it and the effects are fairly obvious.

So wwas Rafa a good mana manager up until the Stoke game ?

We had us top like, and got the best out of some players.

Or how about Istanbul. (I think this was Carras point too). Look at the team, Traore, Baros, Cisse, Biscan, Smicer, Mellor, Nunez, LE Tallac, Welsh et all all played a part in the run in to the final, against Juventus, Chelsea, Bayer LEverkusen and Milan.

Look at the games against Olympiakos and in Barcelona - this was not good man management ? Or was it the players that did it and Rafa was just in the right in the place.

Leon i need to pick you up on a point about the Istanbul games and Raffa.

I think it was Dietmar Hamann that done the interview when he left the club and when asked about the game and how the team picked themselves up at half time said something like this.

"Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher stood up and opend the door, one of them said do you hear that, thats our fans, the still believe we can do it and so do i. both of them started to tell us how we could go out there and be the best we can, this lifeted the team so much that as we walked back out we could hear 'you'll never walk alone' blasting out from our fans, it was a great team talk from two true Liverpool players"

(i had the last bit saved from another forum so i am not sure its 100%)
the point being that it was the players that lifted the team and not Rafa that day

so based on a bit of hear say, you have come to the conclusion that rafa had no impact on the miracle of istanbul? if so you need your head examined. Ive been very critical of Rafa lately but if theres one thing he cannot be knocked for its for that glorious night in istanbul.

[lakes10]

The "not a good man manager" card is impossible to play unless you have been on the board, in hte changing room and at MElwood.

Not sure I totally agree with that one Leon. It's fair that nobody could know for certain, but you can have an educated guess based on how players perform.

It's fair to say for instance based on what we can see that martin O Neil is a good man manager. You could equally argue that perhaps he isn't tactiucally astute (I wouldn't necessarily agree but you could argue it) but judging from how he gets players to perform, he's a good man manager. Cloughie was, Ferguson is, Mourinho is.

You don't need to be in the dressing room to know that, you can see it with your eyes and from the way the players perform.

I'm not necessarily saying that Rafa isn't any good at it, but some people are very good at it and the effects are fairly obvious.

So wwas Rafa a good mana manager up until the Stoke game ?

We had us top like, and got the best out of some players.

Or how about Istanbul. (I think this was Carras point too). Look at the team, Traore, Baros, Cisse, Biscan, Smicer, Mellor, Nunez, LE Tallac, Welsh et all all played a part in the run in to the final, against Juventus, Chelsea, Bayer LEverkusen and Milan.

Look at the games against Olympiakos and in Barcelona - this was not good man management ? Or was it the players that did it and Rafa was just in the right in the place.

Leon i need to pick you up on a point about the Istanbul games and Raffa.

I think it was Dietmar Hamann that done the interview when he left the club and when asked about the game and how the team picked themselves up at half time said something like this.

"Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher stood up and opend the door, one of them said do you hear that, thats our fans, the still believe we can do it and so do i. both of them started to tell us how we could go out there and be the best we can, this lifeted the team so much that as we walked back out we could hear 'you'll never walk alone' blasting out from our fans, it was a great team talk from two true Liverpool players"

(i had the last bit saved from another forum so i am not sure its 100%)
the point being that it was the players that lifted the team and not Rafa that day

so based on a bit of hear say, you have come to the conclusion that rafa had no impact on the miracle of istanbul? if so you need your head examined. Ive been very critical of Rafa lately but if theres one thing he cannot be knocked for its for that glorious night in istanbul.

it was not hearsay, he said it live on tv and then in some book or something

[Bad Bob]

Rafa said in an interview the other day that we weren't going to be bringing anyone in in January.  Clearly we're skint and strikers are some of the dearer commodities out there.  I think we've just got to persist with Keane and hope he re-finds the form he had only a few weeks ago.

[lakes10]

Rafa said in an interview the other day that we weren't going to be bringing anyone in in January.  Clearly we're skint and strikers are some of the dearer commodities out there.  I think we've just got to persist with Keane and hope he re-finds the form he had only a few weeks ago.

what till Rafa left him on the bench you mean?

[account deleted by request]

Rafa said in an interview the other day that we weren't going to be bringing anyone in in January.  Clearly we're skint and strikers are some of the dearer commodities out there.  I think we've just got to persist with Keane and hope he re-finds the form he had only a few weeks ago.

We wouldn't be skint if we sold Keane. I still think that may be the best solution. Sell or swop Keane and bring in someone more suited to our requirements. The problem might be that with Rafa argueing for control of the transfer budget such a move might be seen in a poor light by our beloved owners.

[Fowler_E7]

Rafa said in an interview the other day that we weren't going to be bringing anyone in in January.  Clearly we're skint and strikers are some of the dearer commodities out there.  I think we've just got to persist with Keane and hope he re-finds the form he had only a few weeks ago.

what he said, Rafa should just give the lad some games and see how it goes, he cant be anyworse than Kuyt and Ngog up there

[Playr]

Rafa should sell him back to Spurs.

[Leonmc0708]

So wwas Rafa a good mana manager up until the Stoke game ?

We had us top like, and got the best out of some players.

Or how about Istanbul. (I think this was Carras point too). Look at the team, Traore, Baros, Cisse, Biscan, Smicer, Mellor, Nunez, LE Tallac, Welsh et all all played a part in the run in to the final, against Juventus, Chelsea, Bayer LEverkusen and Milan.

Look at the games against Olympiakos and in Barcelona - this was not good man management ? Or was it the players that did it and Rafa was just in the right in the place.

I don't think Rafa was a good man manager until the Stoke game no, and I'm surprised you've gotten hold of this point. He says himself he likes to keep a distance from players, Gerrard has said the same as have many others. He may well be a good manager (and I think that's probably what the Istanbul success is down to) but I'd be surprised if even he would lay claim to be top drawer at man management.

Still it's unproveable either way so there seems little point in arguing about it. Your opinion seems to be that he is a very good man manager, whilst other seem to think he isn't which is fair enough.

My point was that I don't the card is "impossible to play unless you're at Melwood", I think it's quite possible to form an opinion one way or another based on how players respond to him.

Its easy to form an opnion on anything based on nothing more than heresay or peoples views on an internet forum - fuc.k knows theres enough people on here that have made a career of it.

I dont think he is grat at man management - but I dont see how you can say he is garbage after what he has done either.