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[Stu.Murph]

You agreed with Bob in the post above saying "that's the exact point we don't need major surgery" (Bob saying we only need 2 or 3 max) and now you're saying we're 4 to 6 players away, which is it?


As for bluesh!te, I couldn't give a rats ars,e what they think of us, what have they won recently?

so you class 4-6 players as major surgery?

Well then we need major surgery dickhead.

Go feck yerself,

4-6 top players is half the feckin team!!

Course I consider that major surgery!

You agreed with Bob then you say we need 4-6 players, where's the consistency in that?

How about you make it 6-8 players. 

Well considering the squad has about 30 players in I don't consider changing about 20% of it major surgery.

So yes I agree with Bob and yes I think we need 4-6 players.

Maybe able to get away with 3 depending on injuries.

[LFC2007]

Well Bad Bob was talking in terms of top quality players, if you're suggesting we bring in 6 top class players then I think that would unsettle the team and in all likelihood we wouldn't have the funds to do so. If we could bring in 3 this summer, and build our consistency with less rotation etc. then next season we may be able to add one or two more quality players, like a solid replacement for Hyypia. 4-6 players including squad players is feasible however.

[Stu.Murph]

Well Bad Bob was talking in terms of top quality players, if you're suggesting we bring in 6 top class players then I think that would unsettle the team and in all likelihood we wouldn't have the funds to do so. If we could bring in 3 this summer, and build our consistency with less rotation etc. then next season we may be able to add one or two more quality players, like a solid replacement for Hyypia. 4-6 players including squad players is feasible however.

The four I wanted...

Woodgate, Ashton, Anelka/Owen and Tevez.

You work out how many play at once out of those.

The others I'd like, Alves and a left winger in Kewell's class or better whoever that may be.

We can get away without the latter two I believe IF Harry stays fit. We could possibly get away with only two strikers again providing the fitness stays for the season. However, one striker is not going to turn us into an excellent attacking side. We need two. And we need ones who will get the best out of our wide players.

[red37]

Lets pin this down and stick it to bed once and for all:


FACT. Liverpool require at least one striker to come in.

FACT. Liverpool need quality supply from both wide attacking areas. Especially the left.

FACT. Liverpool could do with (top draw) cover/addition at
the back.

FACT. Liverpool have the Midfield tools available to be able to offer better balance all round. (provided the above 3 areas are addressed THIS summer)

FACT. Liverpool are going to have to recruit/ improve the Full backs sooner than later.

In that order

IMO   and thats a Fact.

[bigmick]

Lets try and sort through the nonsense here before the thread gets ruined by silliness. Stu, pull your head in and stop being daft, you are arguing with people here who are agreeing with about 80% of what you are saying. You are saying we need absolutely top-class players to lift the level, so are they. You are saying those players should be strikers and cover/replacements for Kewell, so are they. You are saying we need a first choice centre-back, they are saying we probably need another one as cover but they are happy with Agger. Your "top-class" forwards to come in are Ashton and Annelka, theirs are Tevez and some other bugger. Jeez talk about getting wound up over the fecking tiniest disagreement here. Redtrader74 is one of the best posters on the forum and doesn't deserve that, so please leave it out.

Now I think you are all talking b0ll0cks to be fair    because we are much closer to having a Premiership winning team than most believe in my opinion. If we picked our very strongest team in most games, (or even every now and then would probably do) and added in Samuel Eto I think we'd go pretty close to winning it. Then again of course, if we picked our very strongest team etc etc etc without signing anyone we wouldn't be a million miles away either.

I am assuming in that of course that we refrain from the practice of having two holding midfielders who could join hands with each other and the centre-backs for the whole of the ninety minutes, and whoever we decide to play up front we kind of ask them to actually, really, play up front if you get my drift. I think 4-5-1 (which is effectively what we play when we deploy Kuyt as we have been doing) only really works in England if you have an incredibly difficult to deal with front man, Henri or Drogba can make it work but it was all a bit much for Van Nistelroy.

As for "our very strongest team" I'm not going to get involved in a Militia Rusher type team picking thing, but suffice to say if you pick a first team squad of maybe fourteen players and always ensure at least ten of those are playing, you wouldn't go too far wrong I shouldn't have thought.

[Stu.Murph]

Again in other words...

Reina
Carson

Finnan
Arbeloa
Riise
Aurelio
Carragher
Woodgate
Hyypia
Agger

Pennant
Luis Garcia
Kewell
Alonso
Gerrard
Mascherano
Sissoko

Tevez
Anelka
Ashton
Bellamy

As you can see, the squads pretty much the same with minor adjustments in the area's I feel we need it most.

[LFC2007]

That's fair enough, I agree with you about Tevez and Owen and Ashton is a quality player, but Anelka is not one who I like purely because of his attitude, he's never settled anywhere despite having so much talent. In my view we need a winger above a centre half, if we can get a centre half for the right money and who is good enough then we should and you generally need 4 quality centre backs for a whole season. In the longer term I think we need two strikers, but at the moment I'd like to see one top striker come in and see how they progress with the existing strikers - they must be a finisher though e.g. Owen.

[redtrader74]

What an embarrassment you are, you don't even realise you're own stupidity, i actually pity you. So you rate Rafa? tactically good, but in every other aspect not up to your standard. Do you even know what you write? c'mon grow a pair and stop sitting on the fence, you don't rate him so admit it.

Anelka is a decent player, his only prolific time was at Arsenal 9 years ago, since then average, any class you refer to has long since dissappeared, and like you he is living in the past.

You've derided Aggers ability many times, as i said you don't think before posting, so probably can't remember what your current view is, or have decided to conveniently forget, after seeing his improvement over the season.

the season before I left more games feeling happy than I did this season and I can also assure you that the league table shows we had a far far far supirior side than we did last season.

Oh well as long as you were happier!! Listen fckwit you feeling happy is irrelevant, you are not an authority on football, so don't state that as some kind of factual evidence. Using your flawed logic the CL Run to the final could show we had a better squad this year.

If you cannot see why our points total was not as high as it could have been, THE CL RUN, especially the coasting in the last 3 months, then there is no point even replying to you, because you don't have the intellect to grasp even the simplest of concepts.

You are not CLEAR at all in your posts, this allows you to backtrack again and again, its not your fault, you don't have the knowledge, amatuer. Now Jog on.

[Stu.Murph]

Lets try and sort through the nonsense here before the thread gets ruined by silliness. Stu, pull your head in and stop being daft, you are arguing with people here who are agreeing with about 80% of what you are saying. You are saying we need absolutely top-class players to lift the level, so are they. You are saying those players should be strikers and cover/replacements for Kewell, so are they. You are saying we need a first choice centre-back, they are saying we probably need another one as cover but they are happy with Agger. Your "top-class" forwards to come in are Ashton and Annelka, theirs are Tevez and some other bugger. Jeez talk about getting wound up over the fecking tiniest disagreement here. Redtrader74 is one of the best posters on the forum and doesn't deserve that, so please leave it out.

Now I think you are all talking b0ll0cks to be fair    because we are much closer to having a Premiership winning team than most believe in my opinion. If we picked our very strongest team in most games, (or even every now and then would probably do) and added in Samuel Eto I think we'd go pretty close to winning it. Then again of course, if we picked our very strongest team etc etc etc without signing anyone we wouldn't be a million miles away either.

I am assuming in that of course that we refrain from the practice of having two holding midfielders who could join hands with each other and the centre-backs for the whole of the ninety minutes, and whoever we decide to play up front we kind of ask them to actually, really, play up front if you get my drift. I think 4-5-1 (which is effectively what we play when we deploy Kuyt as we have been doing) only really works in England if you have an incredibly difficult to deal with front man, Henri or Drogba can make it work but it was all a bit much for Van Nistelroy.

As for "our very strongest team" I'm not going to get involved in a Militia Rusher type team picking thing, but suffice to say if you pick a first team squad of maybe fourteen players and always ensure at least ten of those are playing, you wouldn't go too far wrong I shouldn't have thought.

Red tinted specticles mate.

We have probably 2 players in the top brackets in Alonso and Gerrard.

United, Arsenal and Chelsea all have about 4 or 5 at least. United have two players in the top bracket.

The fact is Mick, the league doesn't lie and hasn't lied. We've been poor this season. Very poor and its not down to rotation completely. Infact, that hardly contributes at all.

[Stu.Murph]

What an embarrassment you are, you don't even realise you're own stupidity, i actually pity you. So you rate Rafa? tactically good, but in every other aspect not up to your standard. Do you even know what you write? c'mon grow a pair and stop sitting on the fence, you don't rate him so admit it.

Anelka is a decent player, his only prolific time was at Arsenal 9 years ago, since then average, any class you refer to has long since dissappeared, and like you he is living in the past.

You've derided Aggers ability many times, as i said you don't think before posting, so probably can't remember what your current view is, or have decided to conveniently forget, after seeing his improvement over the season.

the season before I left more games feeling happy than I did this season and I can also assure you that the league table shows we had a far far far supirior side than we did last season.

Oh well as long as you were happier!! Listen fckwit you feeling happy is irrelenvant, you are not an authority on football, so don't state that as some kind of factual evidence. Using your flawed logic the CL Run to the final could show we has a better sqaud this year.

If you cannot see why our points total was not as high as it could have been, THE CL RUN, especially the coasting in the last 3 months, then their is no point even replying to you, because you don't have the intellect to grasp even the simplest of concepts.

You are not CLEAR at all in your posts, this allows you to backtrack again and again, its not your fault, you don't have the knowledge, amatuer. Now Jog on.

Bellend alert.

[bigmick]

Stu has rated Ashton for about three years and in many respects he's been proven right, clearly he is a much better player than many believed when he was at Crewe. I don't subscribe to the theory however that he is an improvement on what we already have, I think Crouch and Kuyt are both better players. Now I know that will send Stu apoplectic but there you go.

Annelka clearly has all the ability in the World but whether he will ever reproduce it again is entirely another matter. He hasn't sreally strung it together since tat devastating season at Arsenal and my suspicion is he's not one to pin your hopes on. To tell the truth, you could probably pick Owen up for the same price (and definately cheaper than Ashton) and I would have thought if he is anywhere near in terms of fitness that he is a better option than either.

As for Woodgate, nobody will get an argument from me when they say he is one of the best centre-halves around. I once again though wouldn't touch him, firstly because he is (and sorry for being so predictable here) too injury prone, but also because I think there is little point in having a talent such as Agger, who IMHO will develop into one of the very best centre-halves around and then not playing him.

[account deleted by request]

We had a much better balanced team the season before last, even without the benefit of a specialised R.winger. Last season we never seemed to get the balance right for me, mainly due to our left side problems and our forwards spending too much time playing too deep. It also didn't help that our best players never seemed to reach their level last season.

I still think we need a creative second striker even more than another striker. Kuyt and Crouch may not be the best strikers around, but even if we got Eto'o or Shearer at his peak they wouldn't be scoring 25 a season with the chances we create. Obviously the return of a fit Kewell and the purchase of Mancini or whoever would help, but a Tevez a Rooney or a Kaka would make a real difference. Maybe Torres can fill the role, but it is the one I would put at the top of our list.

[redtrader74]

We had a much better balanced team the season before last, even without the benefit of a specialised R.winger. Last season we never seemed to get the balance right for me, mainly due to our left side problems and our forwards spending too much time playing too deep. It also didn't help that our best players never seemed to reach their level last season.

I still think we need a creative second striker even more than another striker. Kuyt and Crouch may not be the best strikers around, but even if we got Eto'o or Shearer at his peak they wouldn't be scoring 25 a season with the chances we create. Obviously the return of a fit Kewell and the purchase of Mancini or whoever would help, but a Tevez a Rooney or a Kaka would make a real difference. Maybe Torres can fill the role, but it is the one I would put at the top of our list.

Fair enough, but don't you think the sqaud as a whole was better this year? The season before Kewell was fit, fit this year and the balance would have been there?

[bigmick]

Red tinted specticles mate.

We have probably 2 players in the top brackets in Alonso and Gerrard.

United, Arsenal and Chelsea all have about 4 or 5 at least. United have two players in the top bracket.

The fact is Mick, the league doesn't lie and hasn't lied. We've been poor this season. Very poor and its not down to rotation completely. Infact, that hardly contributes at all.

Well clearly I'm sticking my neck out a bit, saying that despite the fact we finished a squillion miles behind "ah well, forget all that we're actually a match for them". And I do realise that it sounds a bit improbable but I've a hunch that this season, I will be proven to have called this one about right.

I wouldn't disagree BTW that very few of our players would get in a League 11, but I'm also not sure that's necessarily the point. Carragher wouldn't get in a league team, but for Liverpool with the red shirt on I wouldn't swap him for anyone. 

No, my hunch is that the reason we aren't signing many players is because we can't afford it, simple as that. I don't know why, or what the ramifications are behind the scenes but I don't buy all this "be patient" nonsense. Everyone can see we need an absolutely top-class striker so if we could afford it we would have gone and got the job done by now.
Having said that, I also think our current team is very good. I also think (please God, pleeeaaaeese) that Rafa has probably realised by now that Championship Manager and the English Premier League are not really the same thing, and that you do occasionally have to do the fairly obvious thing and pick your best players in their best positions. Being clever enough to play the best midfield player in the league by a distance on the left wing is all well and good, but when it doesn't work you end uip looking silly.

No, my hunch is that we will go into next season with broady the same team as this, with maybe one or at the most two first team regualr additions, and none of them "superstars". Rafa will take it all a bit more seriously, and we'll be very very close to winning it.

[Stu.Murph]

What an embarrassment you are, you don't even realise you're own stupidity, i actually pity you. So you rate Rafa? tactically good, but in every other aspect not up to your standard. Do you even know what you write? c'mon grow a pair and stop sitting on the fence, you don't rate him so admit it.

Anelka is a decent player, his only prolific time was at Arsenal 9 years ago, since then average, any class you refer to has long since dissappeared, and like you he is living in the past.

You've derided Aggers ability many times, as i said you don't think before posting, so probably can't remember what your current view is, or have decided to conveniently forget, after seeing his improvement over the season.

the season before I left more games feeling happy than I did this season and I can also assure you that the league table shows we had a far far far supirior side than we did last season.

Oh well as long as you were happier!! Listen fckwit you feeling happy is irrelenvant, you are not an authority on football, so don't state that as some kind of factual evidence. Using your flawed logic the CL Run to the final could show we has a better sqaud this year.

If you cannot see why our points total was not as high as it could have been, THE CL RUN, especially the coasting in the last 3 months, then their is no point even replying to you, because you don't have the intellect to grasp even the simplest of concepts.

You are not CLEAR at all in your posts, this allows you to backtrack again and again, its not your fault, you don't have the knowledge, amatuer. Now Jog on.

1. As I said, tactically and as a coach I think he's excellent, as manager in terms of man management, ability to judge a player and the spotting of talent I question weather he's good enough... I supose its wrong of me to do that... I should just follow the crowd and come out with "In Rafa we trust".

Him winning the CL was amazing, something I'll never forget. That doesn't mean he has the ability to sign great players. Two completely seperate points of management. Nor does it mean he keeps all his players happy. Plenty of reports inside the club have come out about Rafa being a particularly cold man. I respect that and I definately believe It can work... but that doesn't mean you have excellent man management skills.

2. I'm not even discussing Anelka. Look at this goal record at City aswell as Arsenal then come back. Besides, he contributes alot more than goals. Class player, end of.

3. Like I said bellend... you show me one post where I said Agger wasn't a good player or was a bad player. Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see that just because I don't think he's good enough to start, doesn't mean he's a bad player. I just simply believe we need a hell of alot better. Again though, you must have been dropped as a child as you're to stupid to comprehend such an arguement.

I'm not the most intelligent of people in general life, but jesus christ lad, you take the .

4. Maybe I was happier because of better results and better performances. Basically, I know that if i'm happy at the end of every game, Liverpool will win the league... maybe you dont' want me to be happy, but i'm quite sure everyone else on here does.

5. The best teams always win the league. The best teams however, do not always win the champions league. So yet again, you show your stupidity with your pathetic comments.

6. Using big words and blaming a CL run for poor performances in the league makes you look really clever. I'm jealous. Why didn't I think of that?

7. I'm clear in every post and have never "backtracked" and if you show me any area I have I'd be very greatful.

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