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[Owzat]

Gerard Houllier (1999-2003/4*)

Money Spent = £115m (approx)

Premiership

1999/2000 - P38 W19 D10 L9 PTS 67 Pos. 4th
2000/2001 - P38 W20 D9 L9 PTS 69 Pos. 3rd
2001/2002 - P38 W24 D8 L6 PTS 80 Pos. 2nd
2002/2003 - P38 W18 D10 L10 PTS 64 Pos. 5th
2003/2004 - P22 W9 D6 L7 PTS 33 Pos. 5th*

Points per game average = 1.84 (for completed seasons)

FA Cup

1999/2000 Round 4 vs Blackburn (L0-1)
2000/2001 Winners vs Arsenal (W2-1)
2001/2002 Round 4 vs Arsenal (L0-1)
2002/2003 Round 4 vs Crystal Palace (L0-2, replay)
2003/2004 Round 5 vs Portsmouth (To be played)

League Cup

1999/2000 Round 3 vs Southampton (L1-2)
2000/2001 Winners vs Birmingham (D1-1, Liverpool won on pens)
2001/2002 Round 3 vs Grimsby (L1-2)
2002/2003 Winners vs Man Utd (W2-0)
2003/2004 Round 4 vs Bolton (L2-3)

Europe

1999/2000 N/A

2000/2001 UEFA Cup Winners vs Alaves (W5-4)

2001/2002 Champions League QF vs Bayer Leverkeusen (L3-4 on aggregate)

2002/2003 Champions League 1st Group Stage
2002/2003 UEFA Cup QF vs Celtic (L1-3 on aggregate)

2003/2004 UEFA Cup Round 3 vs Levski Sofia (To be played)



Roy Evans (1994-1998)

Money Spent = £40m (approx)

Premiership

1994/1995 - P42 W21 D11 L10 PTS 74 Pos. 4th
1995/1996 - P38 W20 D11 L7 PTS 71 Pos. 3rd
1996/1997 - P38 W19 D11 L8 PTS 68 Pos. 4th*
1997/1998 - P38 W18 D11 L9 PTS 65 Pos. 3rd

Points per game average = 1.78 (for completed seasons)

*Liverpool finished 4th level on points with Newcastle 2nd and Arsenal 3rd (1996/7 season)

FA Cup

1994/1995 QF vs Tottenham (L1-2)
1995/1996 Final vs Man Utd (L0-1)
1996/1997 Round 4 vs Chelsea (L2-4)
1997/1998 Round 3 vs Coventry (L1-3)

League Cup

1994/1995 Winners vs Bolton (W2-1)
1995/1996 Round 4 vs Newcastle (L0-1)
1996/1997 QF vs Middlesboro (L1-2)
1997/1998 SF vs Middlesboro (L2-3 on aggregate)

Europe

1994/1995 N/A
1995/1996 UEFA Cup Round 2 vs Brondby (L0-1 on aggregate)
1996/1997 CWC SF vs Paris St Germain (L2-3 on aggregate)
1997/1998 UEFA Cup Round 2 vs Strasbourg (L2-3 on aggregate)

*Note - Champions League places did not extend to teams finishing 3rd and 4th at the time.

[JBG]

Good post Owzat.

I voted for "too close to call" but Houllier slightly shades it.

In favour of Houllier:

won a few cups, plus some champions league football

In favour of Roy Evans:

some very exciting players and games, over all played better football.

Neither of them came close to winning the league (we were never really in with a shout of 2002 despite coming second) and given that this is the number one priority, they are both as bad as each other.

[cheesecakery]

can you add 'BOTH s##t' in your Poll choices

[Scottbot]

despite how a lot of us feel about him of late - It has to be GH. Evans did a decent job, taking over at the club at a low period and producing some exciting football without really making that final step forward. If only Evans had a bit of the GH mean streak then things may have been different! GH has won trophies and brought Champions League footy - plain and simple.

[greenred]

We should take into account that 4th place these days gains access to the champions league,in evans time it was top two.Unfortunately our standards have dropped because of this.Under evans,finishing third was considered failure,now its fifth that is unacceptable.God help us if they ever let six or more english teams into the champions league as we may find that mid table is an acceptable position for gerard houllier.

[big al]

Guys I ve just posted a thread re Evans in the longest serving I think Evans was screwed and I think the so called gentleman Houllier must of known when he agreed to work with Roy that he was going to help Liverpool screw him.  Shame on you Houllier!

[Owzat]

Houllier has had all the advantages - a better squad to start with, a whole load of money which he wasted and as much time as he wants. Evans did little wrong in the league, finishing 3rd and 4th twice each while Houllier has a complete set 2nd to 5th. Obviously Houllier's powers of persuasion are better than Evans, he's managed to convince the board that he can still achieve what he set out to (though the goalposts keep moving, now 4th is acceptable when we were all told the Premiership would be ours within this "five year plan")

[115-1073096938]

You lot are joking right?

Evans was ok but nothing more. But look at the squad and signings? Hardly any worked out and the squad was full of dead-wood and cr#p with the exceptions of Murphy, Fowler, Owen and McManaman. He lacked discipline aswell.

Houllier will bring the league title to anfield, if not he'll come damn close and will leave Phil Tompson a team more than capable of it.

[big al]

Stu Now I'm certain your a f##king idiot, you say you love the club and yet have the stupidity to say Roy Evans signed dead wood, you f##king t#s#er!

[Scottbot]

Is the sky vanilla in your little world Stu?

[115-1073096938]

Collymore, Kvarme, Babb, James, Kennedy, Ince, Leonhardson.

Sorry i forgot they were all great signings... name me his good signings? go on? i can't wait to hear this.

I honestly at this moment can't think of any.

Murphy maybe but he didn't get anything out of him... Collymore sort of but didn't last... so go on.

Clearly you are the "f##king t#s#er" Al.

[big al]

Are you honestly saying that Ince and James are rubbish.

[big al]

I would remind everyone here that Evans managed the club during a time when we were banned from Europe, When Souness had screwed the side up and later he had to work within the parameters of the 6 foreign player rule, had you forgot that Stu or maybe your just too young to know about it!

[115-1073096938]

6 foreign players?

Lmao now who knows nothing. It was 4 and that was lifted as of 94/95 season.

Am i saying Ince and James are sh##e? Erm.... yes.

James is a nightmare and never lived up to the early potential he shown. Ever since the newcastle 4-3 he went downhill and done nothing. Ince had about 10 good games for Liverpool if that. Any real fan who went to a game will tell you how sh##e he was.

Bjornebye, Harkness, Kvarme, Barnes (towards the end), Thomas, Redknapp, Babb, James... all players who started regularly for Evan's team... none of these would get near the first 25 of our present squad. Nuff said.

[big al]

At the start of the 1993-94 season an anxious board, concerned by the declining fortunes of the team, asked Roy Evans to step up to assistant manager. It was a clear signal to Souness that a new man was waiting in the wings.

An F.A. Cup defeat at Anfield administered by lowly Bristol Rovers in 1994 was the last straw for the board who terminated Souness' contract. Roy Evans was finally apointed manager, some 30 years after signing for the club as an apprentice. Chairman David Moores described Evans as "the last of the Shankly lads."

For a time the clouds around Anfield were blown away. After the strife of the Souness years, Roy Evans' tenure offered a return to Boot Room values. He had steadied a ship that was heading unceremoniously for the rocks. Now it seemed all he had to do was steer a straight and true course and the glories would return.

But it was far from plain sailing. The club had lost it's place amongst Europe's elite. The European ban, imposed after Heysel, had left Liverpool lagging far behind the continent's best. After the ban had been lifted the club were hampered by heavy handed new ruling that insisted each team play 6 national born players in their sides. Liverpool, with a strong Scots, Irish and Welsh contingent were hit hard.

Take from a biography of Roy Evans LFC webcite

Stu t#s#er