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[The Canadian Red Army]

Well on sept 11th I could not believe that god would let something like that happen TBH.  And with the Tsuami on boxing day I thought wtf . At least we get hurt by poor results in football and not through death by idiots blowing themselves up, or by a freak of nature.

sorry i wont turn this into a political thing, but if god was real why the flip did he create george w. bush

F*cking good point CRA

Having said that, Dubya thinks he's on a personal mission from "God", as do far too many yanks I fear

lol woolly dont get me started with the idiots of america.
he seems to take on every country that has nukes,he wants to go for iran now, who is he going to take on next after that, India?, Pakistan?, or why not have another Korean war just for the sake of saying "its a mission from god". The guy is a wing nut, and the idiots of american voted him back in.

[Woollyback]

god is in the eye of the beholder, so whether or not he really exists in any form is irrelevant

that is very true woolly

God and Athieism ARE both in the eye of the beholder, but I fail to see how one's faith or lack of it can be considered irrelivant?

Sorry Ace I think you misunderstand me, atheism and religion aren't the irrelevant bit - what I'm saying is that if something is in the eye of the beholder then the question of whether it actually exists or not is irrelevant because it exists for the beholder (if that make sense)   

[Woollyback]

No, and religion can be sent to General Chat.

Think you should actually banish this one far further than Gen Chat JBG, you should banish it to Lark Lane cafe's on a Sunday morning

[The Ace1983]

god is in the eye of the beholder, so whether or not he really exists in any form is irrelevant

that is very true woolly

God and Athieism ARE both in the eye of the beholder, but I fail to see how one's faith or lack of it can be considered irrelivant?

Sorry Ace I think you misunderstand me, atheism and religion aren't the irrelevant bit - what I'm saying is that if something is in the eye of the beholder then the question of whether it actually exists or not is irrelevant because it exists for the beholder (if that make sense)   

Riiiggghhhttt! Ok, yeah. I'm with you on that one. Infact, I think i was saying that back on page2 of this thread.

[Ciggy]

No, and religion can be sent to General Chat.

Think you should actually banish this one far further than Gen Chat JBG, you should banish it to Lark Lane cafe's on a Sunday morning

yer I knew it would end in an argument

[Woollyback]

god is in the eye of the beholder, so whether or not he really exists in any form is irrelevant

that is very true woolly

God and Athieism ARE both in the eye of the beholder, but I fail to see how one's faith or lack of it can be considered irrelivant?

Sorry Ace I think you misunderstand me, atheism and religion aren't the irrelevant bit - what I'm saying is that if something is in the eye of the beholder then the question of whether it actually exists or not is irrelevant because it exists for the beholder (if that make sense)   

Riiiggghhhttt! Ok, yeah. I'm with you on that one. Infact, I think i was saying that back on page2 of this thread.

you were indeed 

[LFC #1]

for football to be classed as a true religion you would almost have to say each club is a religion.
For example for us Liverpool FC is a rleigion, not football in general.

Why?

Because there are many different religions who worhsip different gods and who have different beliefs. This can be compared to football fans who worship different players,managers etc based on the club they support.

then you get national teams which bring opposiion fans together every so often, and this is where it gets confusing.

[anfieldadorer]

Well on sept 11th I could not believe that god would let something like that happen TBH.  And with the Tsuami on boxing day I thought wtf . At least we get hurt by poor results in football and not through death by idiots blowing themselves up, or by a freak of nature.

sorry i wont turn this into a political thing, but if god was real why the flip did he create george w. bush

F*cking good point CRA

Having said that, Dubya thinks he's on a personal mission from "God", as do far too many yanks I fear

lol woolly dont get me started with the idiots of america.
he seems to take on every country that has nukes,he wants to go for iran now, who is he going to take on next after that, India?, Pakistan?, or why not have another Korean war just for the sake of saying "its a mission from god". The guy is a wing nut, and the idiots of american voted him back in.

can't stop laughing, CRA   

[The Ace1983]

for football to be classed as a true religion you would almost have to say each club is a religion.
For example for us Liverpool FC is a rleigion, not football in general.

Why?

Because there are many different religions who worhsip different gods and who have different beliefs. This can be compared to football fans who worship different players,managers etc based on the club they support.

then you get national teams which bring opposiion fans together every so often, and this is where it gets confusing.

That's where I've been coming from when I was saying that it is more of a tribal system. It's like the natural evolution of the celtic tribes that roamed this land during the times of the Romans. But they could be united in the face of a common enemy, i.e. the international matches.

So combine these ideas with the theological disscusions of the last couple of pages, and you actually get something resembling a strange hybrid of various stages of the religious evolution. It's sort of like a stone-age Christianity.

[zarababe]

.. that's an interesting point.. Ace...and I agree that inate tribal qualities continue to manifest themsleves in different ways today as they were prevalent 1000's of years ago...

.. Indeed you'll find that the woman's monthly cycle for example aligns with other women who she associates with (lives with or works with) because it is part of the tribal ritual of looking after each others sprogs ..  a slight tangent but the same pinciple of triabalism..

.. Religious belief is truly an individual thing.. though becomes a communal experience and gathering of sorts .. the intensity of it,  the level at which one chooses to practice ... and the belief in God, 'a' faith and salvation.. "there is a life after death .. this is a temporary state.. the real fruits are in the after life.. belief in the Trinity, Krishna, Budha or Allah" it's so diverse... 

.. football is a tribal attarction.. but when we wanna see success or win.. those who believe in a faith.. will no-doubt turn to their Almighty for the 'salvation' of there team.. "Plz God let Liverpool Football club be League champions again"

[The Canadian Red Army]

Well on sept 11th I could not believe that god would let something like that happen TBH.  And with the Tsuami on boxing day I thought wtf . At least we get hurt by poor results in football and not through death by idiots blowing themselves up, or by a freak of nature.

sorry i wont turn this into a political thing, but if god was real why the flip did he create george w. bush

F*cking good point CRA

Having said that, Dubya thinks he's on a personal mission from "God", as do far too many yanks I fear

lol woolly dont get me started with the idiots of america.
he seems to take on every country that has nukes,he wants to go for iran now, who is he going to take on next after that, India?, Pakistan?, or why not have another Korean war just for the sake of saying "its a mission from god". The guy is a wing nut, and the idiots of american voted him back in.

can't stop laughing, CRA   

im glad you enjoyed my rant anfieldadorer. I hate bush, and woolly brought the subject up, so i went on a rant.  

[zarababe]

.. yes Bush the 'Saviour' of the free world.. arn't we all lucky

[The Canadian Red Army]

.. yes Bush the 'Saviour' of the free world.. arn't we all lucky

i say to tell the defence secretary to go take his d!ck out of bush's ******, so maybe he can think clearly enough to see what he is doing to the world.
i sure as hell hope no one supports bush in here?


if this is our savour, god help us.

[zarababe]

.. a self appointed saviour.. he will get his due .. don't u worry CRA.. I'm praying a nuke falls on his head... see how he likes it .. bl**dy bully ..

[zarababe]

.. but interesting again how religion is used as the tool for justifying 'injustifiable' actions ... and responses ..

.. In football we seek escapism.. solis... ecstacy .. that rush of adrenalin.. because ther is so much sh*t  in world ..