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[GYBS]

So we havent got defensive brilliance or class then ?

[Scottbot]

There's a lot of optimism floating around today - some even say we're back in with a shout in the prem.

Nonsense.

I want to post today after we WIN and not be accused of a Rafa hater only after we lose.

Is it great to beat Real Madrid at the Bernebau and put one foot in the next round? Sure! A! Brilliant! Lovely! Etc.
Yet, it was the same old dour performance that has haunted us the last couple of seasons - poor possession of the ball, poor passing, lack of ambition - an attitude of 'let's contain them and nick one.'

Some posters here don't care. We won 1-0. Some posters don't care that if we played like this week in, week out (like we have been doing) as long as we win the Prem. Trophies in the cabinet - that's all that matters. That's it and that's all.

That's not all, I'm afraid.

Say we do win the Prem? We break our duck. The drought is over. the Mancs, we get p.issed as coots, remember what it's like to be a kid, etc.
What then? Would these posters watch this tepid uninspiring football every week? Because the football won't change. It will never change. It will be 4-5-1 every week. Home and away. No invention, no creativity, no X-factor. Boring, one-dimensional football played by a manager who doesn't trust his players to play football.

I was watching the RTE punditry after the game and Eamonn Dunphy had this to say: "If Liverpool are successful, this style will be copied and copied and football, the great game, will suffer."

Some care about lovely football. Some care about results.

What everyone is forgetting is that both are possible.

REGARDLESS of what you tihnk about the teams' performances in the league recently (or at any other time for that matter) can you not give some credit where it is due?

That last night, was a European MASTERCLASS in how to play the away leg. What if others try to copy it you ask? What, you mean other teams might start playing as a compact defensive unit and look to score on the break or to grab a late goal? Not exaclty a revolutionary new way to play in Europe is it? We're just better at it than every other team in Europe. It (and we) might not cut it in the Premier League but it does my brain in to sit and read posters using last nights result AS A STICK TO BEAT THE MANAGER WITH.

I'm not using last night's result as a stick to beat the manager with. I'm using the consistently uninventive tactics that Rafa champions as a stick to beat him with.

The day after a win at the Bernabau, you can't even stop for a minute to say "fu...c..kin ell, well in lads, well in Rafa"?

[Avi Cohen]

So we havent got defensive brilliance or class then ?

Apologies - I should have made myself clearer.

We have defensive brilliance. We're tight as a drum and I'm impressed with the work rate the team as a whole puts in when we don't have the ball.

When we're on the ball, we lack class, smarts and creativity. We lack invention. We lack thinking outside the box when it's not working.

[Avi Cohen]

There's a lot of optimism floating around today - some even say we're back in with a shout in the prem.

Nonsense.

I want to post today after we WIN and not be accused of a Rafa hater only after we lose.

Is it great to beat Real Madrid at the Bernebau and put one foot in the next round? Sure! A! Brilliant! Lovely! Etc.
Yet, it was the same old dour performance that has haunted us the last couple of seasons - poor possession of the ball, poor passing, lack of ambition - an attitude of 'let's contain them and nick one.'

Some posters here don't care. We won 1-0. Some posters don't care that if we played like this week in, week out (like we have been doing) as long as we win the Prem. Trophies in the cabinet - that's all that matters. That's it and that's all.

That's not all, I'm afraid.

Say we do win the Prem? We break our duck. The drought is over. the Mancs, we get p.issed as coots, remember what it's like to be a kid, etc.
What then? Would these posters watch this tepid uninspiring football every week? Because the football won't change. It will never change. It will be 4-5-1 every week. Home and away. No invention, no creativity, no X-factor. Boring, one-dimensional football played by a manager who doesn't trust his players to play football.

I was watching the RTE punditry after the game and Eamonn Dunphy had this to say: "If Liverpool are successful, this style will be copied and copied and football, the great game, will suffer."

Some care about lovely football. Some care about results.

What everyone is forgetting is that both are possible.

REGARDLESS of what you tihnk about the teams' performances in the league recently (or at any other time for that matter) can you not give some credit where it is due?

That last night, was a European MASTERCLASS in how to play the away leg. What if others try to copy it you ask? What, you mean other teams might start playing as a compact defensive unit and look to score on the break or to grab a late goal? Not exaclty a revolutionary new way to play in Europe is it? We're just better at it than every other team in Europe. It (and we) might not cut it in the Premier League but it does my brain in to sit and read posters using last nights result AS A STICK TO BEAT THE MANAGER WITH.

I'm not using last night's result as a stick to beat the manager with. I'm using the consistently uninventive tactics that Rafa champions as a stick to beat him with.

The day after a win at the Bernabau, you can't even stop for a minute to say "fu...c..kin ell, well in lads, well in Rafa"?

You call that a great Real Madrid team?

[Sir Roger]

fu...c..kin ell, well in lads, well in Rafa.
Pity you didnt do that against the mighty stoke, fulham, everton etc

[GYBS]

So we havent got defensive brilliance or class then ?

Apologies - I should have made myself clearer.

We have defensive brilliance. We're tight as a drum and I'm impressed with the work rate the team as a whole puts in when we don't have the ball.

When we're on the ball, we lack class, smarts and creativity. We lack invention. We lack thinking outside the box when it's not working.

and to my original question - how many times play the wonderful creative football you crave from liverpool and also win trophies ?

[Avi Cohen]

So we havent got defensive brilliance or class then ?

Apologies - I should have made myself clearer.

We have defensive brilliance. We're tight as a drum and I'm impressed with the work rate the team as a whole puts in when we don't have the ball.

When we're on the ball, we lack class, smarts and creativity. We lack invention. We lack thinking outside the box when it's not working.

and to my original question - how many times play the wonderful creative football you crave from liverpool and also win trophies ?

I don't understand the question.

[Bad Bob]

There's a lot of optimism floating around today - some even say we're back in with a shout in the prem.

Nonsense.

I want to post today after we WIN and not be accused of a Rafa hater only after we lose.

Is it great to beat Real Madrid at the Bernebau and put one foot in the next round? Sure! A! Brilliant! Lovely! Etc.
Yet, it was the same old dour performance that has haunted us the last couple of seasons - poor possession of the ball, poor passing, lack of ambition - an attitude of 'let's contain them and nick one.'

Some posters here don't care. We won 1-0. Some posters don't care that if we played like this week in, week out (like we have been doing) as long as we win the Prem. Trophies in the cabinet - that's all that matters. That's it and that's all.

That's not all, I'm afraid.

Say we do win the Prem? We break our duck. The drought is over. the Mancs, we get p.issed as coots, remember what it's like to be a kid, etc.
What then? Would these posters watch this tepid uninspiring football every week? Because the football won't change. It will never change. It will be 4-5-1 every week. Home and away. No invention, no creativity, no X-factor. Boring, one-dimensional football played by a manager who doesn't trust his players to play football.

I was watching the RTE punditry after the game and Eamonn Dunphy had this to say: "If Liverpool are successful, this style will be copied and copied and football, the great game, will suffer."

Some care about lovely football. Some care about results.

What everyone is forgetting is that both are possible.

REGARDLESS of what you tihnk about the teams' performances in the league recently (or at any other time for that matter) can you not give some credit where it is due?

That last night, was a European MASTERCLASS in how to play the away leg. What if others try to copy it you ask? What, you mean other teams might start playing as a compact defensive unit and look to score on the break or to grab a late goal? Not exaclty a revolutionary new way to play in Europe is it? We're just better at it than every other team in Europe. It (and we) might not cut it in the Premier League but it does my brain in to sit and read posters using last nights result AS A STICK TO BEAT THE MANAGER WITH.

I'm not using last night's result as a stick to beat the manager with. I'm using the consistently uninventive tactics that Rafa champions as a stick to beat him with.

The day after a win at the Bernabau, you can't even stop for a minute to say "fu...c..kin ell, well in lads, well in Rafa"?

You call that a great Real Madrid team?

Here we go again. 

Exhibit 4 for why 'pros' get so annoyed with 'antis' (if Mick's still curious)...not content to criticize when we do poorly, some also have a compulsive need to diminish the accomplishment when we do well.  Must everything we do right be chalked up to luck, poor opposition, a generous ref or some other factor that denies our lads and our manager any hand in the achievement?  Maybe, just maybe, we made a really good team look pretty ordinary.  It's been known to happen under Rafa in Europe. 

[GYBS]

So we havent got defensive brilliance or class then ?

Apologies - I should have made myself clearer.

We have defensive brilliance. We're tight as a drum and I'm impressed with the work rate the team as a whole puts in when we don't have the ball.

When we're on the ball, we lack class, smarts and creativity. We lack invention. We lack thinking outside the box when it's not working.

and to my original question - how many times play the wonderful creative football you crave from liverpool and also win trophies ?

I don't understand the question.

Some care about lovely football. Some care about results.

What everyone is forgetting is that both are possible.

This was your quote in your post and the question relates to that .

In an attacking sense you do realise that the mancs have only scored 3 more goals than us this season.

[7_Kewell]

There's a lot of optimism floating around today - some even say we're back in with a shout in the prem.

Nonsense.

I want to post today after we WIN and not be accused of a Rafa hater only after we lose.

Is it great to beat Real Madrid at the Bernebau and put one foot in the next round? Sure! A! Brilliant! Lovely! Etc.
Yet, it was the same old dour performance that has haunted us the last couple of seasons - poor possession of the ball, poor passing, lack of ambition - an attitude of 'let's contain them and nick one.'

Some posters here don't care. We won 1-0. Some posters don't care that if we played like this week in, week out (like we have been doing) as long as we win the Prem. Trophies in the cabinet - that's all that matters. That's it and that's all.

That's not all, I'm afraid.

Say we do win the Prem? We break our duck. The drought is over. the Mancs, we get p.issed as coots, remember what it's like to be a kid, etc.
What then? Would these posters watch this tepid uninspiring football every week? Because the football won't change. It will never change. It will be 4-5-1 every week. Home and away. No invention, no creativity, no X-factor. Boring, one-dimensional football played by a manager who doesn't trust his players to play football.

I was watching the RTE punditry after the game and Eamonn Dunphy had this to say: "If Liverpool are successful, this style will be copied and copied and football, the great game, will suffer."

Some care about lovely football. Some care about results.

What everyone is forgetting is that both are possible.

REGARDLESS of what you tihnk about the teams' performances in the league recently (or at any other time for that matter) can you not give some credit where it is due?

That last night, was a European MASTERCLASS in how to play the away leg. What if others try to copy it you ask? What, you mean other teams might start playing as a compact defensive unit and look to score on the break or to grab a late goal? Not exaclty a revolutionary new way to play in Europe is it? We're just better at it than every other team in Europe. It (and we) might not cut it in the Premier League but it does my brain in to sit and read posters using last nights result AS A STICK TO BEAT THE MANAGER WITH.

I'm not using last night's result as a stick to beat the manager with. I'm using the consistently uninventive tactics that Rafa champions as a stick to beat him with.

The day after a win at the Bernabau, you can't even stop for a minute to say "fu...c..kin ell, well in lads, well in Rafa"?

You call that a great Real Madrid team?

Here we go again. 

Exhibit 4 for why 'pros' get so annoyed with 'antis' (if Mick's still curious)...not content to criticize when we do poorly, some also have a compulsive need to diminish the accomplishment when we do well.  Must everything we do right be chalked up to luck, poor opposition, a generous ref or some other factor that denies our lads and our manager any hand in the achievement?  Maybe, just maybe, we made a really good team look pretty ordinary.  It's been known to happen under Rafa in Europe. 

I think the point the 'antis' are making is one win doesn’t make a season. Yes, it was a good result, but it’s difficult to dismiss the fact we have destroyed our title challenge after one good result in Europe.

We haven’t won the tie yet and there is still the 2nd leg where it can all go wrong.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but personally I have become 'anti' because I am disappointed the way Rafa has conducted things on and off the field this season.

[GYBS]

There's a lot of optimism floating around today - some even say we're back in with a shout in the prem.

Nonsense.

I want to post today after we WIN and not be accused of a Rafa hater only after we lose.

Is it great to beat Real Madrid at the Bernebau and put one foot in the next round? Sure! A! Brilliant! Lovely! Etc.
Yet, it was the same old dour performance that has haunted us the last couple of seasons - poor possession of the ball, poor passing, lack of ambition - an attitude of 'let's contain them and nick one.'

Some posters here don't care. We won 1-0. Some posters don't care that if we played like this week in, week out (like we have been doing) as long as we win the Prem. Trophies in the cabinet - that's all that matters. That's it and that's all.

That's not all, I'm afraid.

Say we do win the Prem? We break our duck. The drought is over. the Mancs, we get p.issed as coots, remember what it's like to be a kid, etc.
What then? Would these posters watch this tepid uninspiring football every week? Because the football won't change. It will never change. It will be 4-5-1 every week. Home and away. No invention, no creativity, no X-factor. Boring, one-dimensional football played by a manager who doesn't trust his players to play football.

I was watching the RTE punditry after the game and Eamonn Dunphy had this to say: "If Liverpool are successful, this style will be copied and copied and football, the great game, will suffer."

Some care about lovely football. Some care about results.

What everyone is forgetting is that both are possible.

REGARDLESS of what you tihnk about the teams' performances in the league recently (or at any other time for that matter) can you not give some credit where it is due?

That last night, was a European MASTERCLASS in how to play the away leg. What if others try to copy it you ask? What, you mean other teams might start playing as a compact defensive unit and look to score on the break or to grab a late goal? Not exaclty a revolutionary new way to play in Europe is it? We're just better at it than every other team in Europe. It (and we) might not cut it in the Premier League but it does my brain in to sit and read posters using last nights result AS A STICK TO BEAT THE MANAGER WITH.

I'm not using last night's result as a stick to beat the manager with. I'm using the consistently uninventive tactics that Rafa champions as a stick to beat him with.

The day after a win at the Bernabau, you can't even stop for a minute to say "fu...c..kin ell, well in lads, well in Rafa"?

You call that a great Real Madrid team?

Do you mean the reigning Spanish Champs who have won nine games in a row and scored ten goals in two games .

[GYBS]

There's a lot of optimism floating around today - some even say we're back in with a shout in the prem.

Nonsense.

I want to post today after we WIN and not be accused of a Rafa hater only after we lose.

Is it great to beat Real Madrid at the Bernebau and put one foot in the next round? Sure! A! Brilliant! Lovely! Etc.
Yet, it was the same old dour performance that has haunted us the last couple of seasons - poor possession of the ball, poor passing, lack of ambition - an attitude of 'let's contain them and nick one.'

Some posters here don't care. We won 1-0. Some posters don't care that if we played like this week in, week out (like we have been doing) as long as we win the Prem. Trophies in the cabinet - that's all that matters. That's it and that's all.

That's not all, I'm afraid.

Say we do win the Prem? We break our duck. The drought is over. the Mancs, we get p.issed as coots, remember what it's like to be a kid, etc.
What then? Would these posters watch this tepid uninspiring football every week? Because the football won't change. It will never change. It will be 4-5-1 every week. Home and away. No invention, no creativity, no X-factor. Boring, one-dimensional football played by a manager who doesn't trust his players to play football.

I was watching the RTE punditry after the game and Eamonn Dunphy had this to say: "If Liverpool are successful, this style will be copied and copied and football, the great game, will suffer."

Some care about lovely football. Some care about results.

What everyone is forgetting is that both are possible.

REGARDLESS of what you tihnk about the teams' performances in the league recently (or at any other time for that matter) can you not give some credit where it is due?

That last night, was a European MASTERCLASS in how to play the away leg. What if others try to copy it you ask? What, you mean other teams might start playing as a compact defensive unit and look to score on the break or to grab a late goal? Not exaclty a revolutionary new way to play in Europe is it? We're just better at it than every other team in Europe. It (and we) might not cut it in the Premier League but it does my brain in to sit and read posters using last nights result AS A STICK TO BEAT THE MANAGER WITH.

I'm not using last night's result as a stick to beat the manager with. I'm using the consistently uninventive tactics that Rafa champions as a stick to beat him with.

The day after a win at the Bernabau, you can't even stop for a minute to say "fu...c..kin ell, well in lads, well in Rafa"?

You call that a great Real Madrid team?

Here we go again. 

Exhibit 4 for why 'pros' get so annoyed with 'antis' (if Mick's still curious)...not content to criticize when we do poorly, some also have a compulsive need to diminish the accomplishment when we do well.  Must everything we do right be chalked up to luck, poor opposition, a generous ref or some other factor that denies our lads and our manager any hand in the achievement?  Maybe, just maybe, we made a really good team look pretty ordinary.  It's been known to happen under Rafa in Europe. 

I think the point the 'antis' are making is one win doesn’t make a season. Yes, it was a good result, but it’s difficult to dismiss the fact we have destroyed our title challenge after one good result in Europe.

We haven’t won the tie yet and there is still the 2nd leg where it can all go wrong.

I can’t speak for anyone else, but personally I have become 'anti' because I am disappointed the way Rafa has conducted things on and off the field this season.

Who says it has made our season ? Who has dismissed anything about the league ? this is a great result in europe simple as that and would be nice to see some credit towards the lads and manager as opposed to the normal "weak team" etc

[Sir Roger]

Madrid were sh.ite lets face it
Well done that we won
But lets not go overboard
Everton were harder to beat

[Avi Cohen]

So we havent got defensive brilliance or class then ?

Apologies - I should have made myself clearer.

We have defensive brilliance. We're tight as a drum and I'm impressed with the work rate the team as a whole puts in when we don't have the ball.

When we're on the ball, we lack class, smarts and creativity. We lack invention. We lack thinking outside the box when it's not working.

and to my original question - how many times play the wonderful creative football you crave from liverpool and also win trophies ?

I don't understand the question.

Some care about lovely football. Some care about results.

What everyone is forgetting is that both are possible.

This was your quote in your post and the question relates to that .

In an attacking sense you do realise that the mancs have only scored 3 more goals than us this season.

Again, you're looking at the end result. Goals, trophies. I don't blame you either. You're frustrated and angry we haven't won the league in 19 years while the scum clean up.
I'm asking you to look at the big picture and not be so
shortsighted.

Yes, I'm aware that the Mancs have scored only 3 more goals than us - but look at the manner in which they did it. They play like they love it and they're managed by a man who loves to be entertained by his team. Can you say the same about us?

That said, maybe I'm wrong and a team based on graft instead of skill is the way forward.

[Sir Roger]

So we havent got defensive brilliance or class then ?

Apologies - I should have made myself clearer.

We have defensive brilliance. We're tight as a drum and I'm impressed with the work rate the team as a whole puts in when we don't have the ball.

When we're on the ball, we lack class, smarts and creativity. We lack invention. We lack thinking outside the box when it's not working.

and to my original question - how many times play the wonderful creative football you crave from liverpool and also win trophies ?

I don't understand the question.

Some care about lovely football. Some care about results.

What everyone is forgetting is that both are possible.

This was your quote in your post and the question relates to that .

In an attacking sense you do realise that the mancs have only scored 3 more goals than us this season.

Again, you're looking at the end result. Goals, trophies. I don't blame you either. You're frustrated and angry we haven't won the league in 19 years while the scum clean up.
I'm asking you to look at the big picture and not be so
shortsighted.

Yes, I'm aware that the Mancs have scored only 3 more goals than us - but look at the manner in which they did it. They play like they love it and they're managed by a man who loves to be entertained by his team. Can you say the same about us?

That said, maybe I'm wrong and a team based on graft instead of skill is the way forward.

If that was the case wed be top of the league?