Liverpool FC Forum

[Sabre]

Yes, for instance there's a good post that touches the future of the club made by Effes. That's fair enough.

There's another about a possible take over that doesn't quite happen. That's informative too.

There are some about Rafa's reign, which is nice.

The problem is, that the threads about team selections, tactics, matches, do not talk about these things any more but about things that are touched elsewhere.

I'm pretty sure that if we had another manager, suddenly many people would realise they get along well with posters that they thought they didn't like. It would be like a fresh air here, and more football would be discussed like 3 years ago, because there would be less posters tired of the manager and thus less posters defending him.

I know I'm trying to get into John Craig's thoughts here, but if I know him a bit reading him these years, he loves talking about pure football. Players, matches, how we faced  a match, etc, and he focuses much of his posting in that.

I don't think he means institutional topics such as take overs, or who should manage the team bothers him in the proper thread, rather, that he enters a thread called "squad", which starts talking about the squad, and ends up talking about institutional topics.

[Sir Roger]

Sir Roger, what do you think about the topic starter post?

Hmmmm

I take the point
But I think a discussion, especially a relevant discussion, even if it is uncomfortable for some, has to exist in the general forum
Some of us arl-ar.ses are not as boisterous and full of pis.s and vinegar as we used to be.
We don't just want to talk about games and players.
We want to discuss issues and concerns. It's our club and I believe we should (within acceptable reason) be able to speak on any subject pertaining to LFC.
I would hate certain subjects to be moved away from the centre just because they don't fit in with the "feel good factor" of being a red.
My philosophy is "if you don't like it, don't read it"
Democracy is our greatest weapon.
Let's not lose it

[Sabre]

Yes,  I agree the democracy bit.

May I add, football is our greatest treasure, let's not forget it?

[Sir Roger]

Yes,  I agree the democracy bit.

May I add, football is our greatest treasure, let's not forget it?

True

But its not just about 22 grown men chasing an inflated sphere around a field like little kids, trying to kick each other for an hour and a half, is it?

[JC_81]

I don't think he means institutional topics such as take overs, or who should manage the team bothers him in the proper thread, rather, that he enters a thread called "squad", which starts talking about the squad, and ends up talking about institutional topics.

To the poster who said 'its not just about 22 grown men chasing an inflated sphere around a field like little kids, trying to kick each other for an hour and a half, is it?' - when it boils down to it at 1500 on a Saturday afternoon, that's exactly what it's all about.  Somewhere along the way a lot of people have lost sight of that.

That's the gist of it Sabre mate.

The takeover issues etc do have to be discussed.  My point is I'm sick of it.  And to the lads telling me to simply ignore those posts and 'up with democracy' and all that bollox - refer to the topic starter where I have already said I'll try and stick to football rather than the off the field stuff for a while.  Not because it's unimportant, not because I don't care about it and not because you shouldn't be allowed to discuss it on a football forum.  Simply because there has been so much of it lately that I'm fed up of it and it dominates every thread on here, even the ones supposedly about the team/games etc.

I guessed there'd be quite a split response to this topic - fair enough.

[JC_81]

But its not just about 22 grown men chasing an inflated sphere around a field like little kids, trying to kick each other for an hour and a half, is it?

Actually mate, when it boils down to it at 1500 on a Saturday afternoon, that's exactly what it's all about.  It's a shame so many people have lost sight of that.

[Judge]

Recently LFC forums have been full of chat about what's going on off the field, and while I accept that this is massively important to the club, I for one am completely sick of it. 

Rafa's rant against Fergie.  The takeover (or lack of one).  Gillette and Hicks not speaking.  Rafa's contract.  Rafa's desire to have control over the academy.  Parry's incompetence.  Rafa's call for coaching straff contracts to be sorted out.  Our lack of activity in the transfer market this January.  Rafa's decision to sell Keane.  For fu.ck sake where will it end!!??

Is it just me or do we as fans seem to concentrate far too much these days on what goes on off the pitch?  Gone are the days when people just talked about pure football and a bit of the transfer gossip.  Now it's all media bullsh.it, contract wrangling and takeover talk.

I'm going to try my best not to engage in any more of this cr@p from now til the end of the season.  I'm looking forward to our next game, I'm looking forward to the games against Madrid, I'm looking forward to seeing how far we can push the Mancs this season and how far we can go in the CL.

nice post john

try not to start anymore threads then like this one

[GYBS]

Im trying to just concentrate on the football and nothing else - hopefully others will do the same , would be nice to see just pure football debates without other issues getting dragged into it .

[Igor Zidane]

I shall politely refrain from posting in this thread as i can't seperate the issues surrounding our club

[Judge]

But its not just about 22 grown men chasing an inflated sphere around a field like little kids, trying to kick each other for an hour and a half, is it?

Actually mate, when it boils down to it at 1500 on a Saturday afternoon, that's exactly what it's all about.  It's a shame so many people have lost sight of that.

actually its usually 20 grown men chasing the inflated sphere, while two others at opposite ends of the pitch, stop in goal and have a smoke

[Owzat]

Rafa must take much of the blame
He was either naive or stupid to attack Parry, the yanks, Fergie etc in public.

or unbelievably arrogant. Suggestion on the BBC gossip page is he wanted to, or wants to, agree a contract but only after he's made his feelings public. He seems to be way too public on some matters, the fergie rant was a prime example. Little boy needing attention perhaps, feeling he doesn't get the recognition he deserves - sound a lot like Mourinho, I gather still bitter over his last "home defeat" around 100+ games ago!

[GYBS]

Why do people still call it a rant ? i didnt see him ranting at all - no raised voice just calmly stating facts . And thats a pretty harsh assesment of him with the little boy needs attention etc.

[Owzat]

Why do people still call it a rant ? i didnt see him ranting at all - no raised voice just calmly stating facts .

rant takes less time to say than "calm statement of 'facts' " and it was a rant in the sense he was having a whinge about something that hadn't directly been asked of him.

Not that I ever listen to the 606 "rantline", but do all the people on there raise voices? Not that many of them state facts either, they voice their opinions voluntarily to get something off their chest. Maybe not the reason his was called a "rant", but not everyone has the same idea as you of what a rant is

to speak or declaim extravagantly or violently"

Origin:
1590–1600; < D ranten (obs.) to talk foolishly

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/rant

I think the idea it's violent or in a raised voice is a more modern slant because a number of rants can be with raised voice. Obviously definitions will vary by source, my own interpretation is that rants don't have to be loud, violent, with raised voice or any of those aspects that have been linked within some of the definitions I found.

And the bottom line is the derivation from "ranten", if that is indeed correct of course

And thats a pretty harsh assesment of him with the little boy needs attention etc.

It's not harsh at all, he's supposedly a professional doing a job, but "airing dirty laundry". Doesn't exactly reek of professionalism, more someone who wants everyone to take notice of what HIS viewpoint is and needs to stand in front of cameras to make sure the whole world knows "I'm right and they're wrong". I doubt the owners are impressed, right rebel he is slating his employers in public.  I think my assessment may be closer to the mark than most would like it to be

[GYBS]

You love your stats dont you Owzat - good reply

[NANNY RED]

I shall politely refrain from posting in this thread as i can't seperate the issues surrounding our club

What Igor said only im saying it nicer