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Postby tubby » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:40 pm

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GYBS wrote:Didnt we beat both chelsea and man utd on the way to winning the FA Cup ?

Werent we all over Milan in the second CL final

So we win against Milan first time and he gets no credit - we loose then next and its his fault .

The squad that Rafa took over ended up 30 odd points from the title winners - last season we were 6 ? 4 was it - is that not improvement ..

What about our strength and depth?

You are drifting onto another point altogether there.

What about Rafa having to sell in order to buy? The constant 1 in 1 out system which does nothing to build strength in depth.
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Postby GYBS » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:43 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
GYBS wrote:Didnt we beat both chelsea and man utd on the way to winning the FA Cup ?

Werent we all over Milan in the second CL final

So we win against Milan first time and he gets no credit - we loose then next and its his fault .

The squad that Rafa took over ended up 30 odd points from the title winners - last season we were 6 ? 4 was it - is that not improvement ..

What about our strength and depth?

well im guessing seeing as its a long season and the squad needs to be used and we only had gerrard and torres together for a total of 18 games was it im guessing that the squad must of been good enough to come second last season so would say it was an improvement . while voronin etc arent the greatest i would say a lot of the squad players we have now are better than players like mellor le tallec etc from his first season .

Also will you go correct your friend about the fa cup run and against weaker teams .
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Postby GYBS » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:43 pm

GYBS wrote:In some games we should of done and in some games we didnt need too IMO.

And what the feck is blanket throwing ?!?!?

Is that a new mickism .

Nonsense ? Because Rafa stuck with a tried and tested method that worked bloody wonders TWICE resulting is us scoring by the hatful .

Maybe there should be something we should look at ? Not taking our chances ? despite this lucas and masher in midfield and gerrard playing high with torres mistake we have created chances yet they havent been taken by many players and them there is the individual errors that have occured numerous times (namely coming from our defence) that has resulted in us loosing points - is that all down to the manager not playing gerrard in midfield ?

This is the answer to your question mick - first line .
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Postby bigmick » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:47 pm

With respect "in some games we should have done, and in some games we didn't need to IMHO" doesn't answer my question at all. It answers a question which I haven't asked.

Here it is again:

Should we have played Gerrard in central midfield FROM GAME ONE this season?
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Postby GYBS » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:50 pm

How clear do i need to be ffs -

IN SOME GAMES WE SHOULD OF AND IN SOME GAMES WE DIDNT NEED TOO

Ie in games against Hull and weaker teams we play him alongside masher or lucas where he doesnt need to worry about protecting the back four but games against the stronger teams adding masher or whoever it protects us .
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Postby Sir Roger » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:51 pm

bigmick wrote:With respect "in some games we should have done, and in some games we didn't need to IMHO" doesn't answer my question at all. It answers a question which I haven't asked.

Here it is again:

Should we have played Gerrard in central midfield FROM GAME ONE this season?

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Postby Effes » Mon Oct 05, 2009 9:59 pm

This thread has been GYBSasperated.
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Postby Sir Roger » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:00 pm

GYBS wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
GYBS wrote:Didnt we beat both chelsea and man utd on the way to winning the FA Cup ?

Werent we all over Milan in the second CL final

So we win against Milan first time and he gets no credit - we loose then next and its his fault .

The squad that Rafa took over ended up 30 odd points from the title winners - last season we were 6 ? 4 was it - is that not improvement ..

What about our strength and depth?

well im guessing seeing as its a long season and the squad needs to be used and we only had gerrard and torres together for a total of 18 games was it im guessing that the squad must of been good enough to come second last season so would say it was an improvement . while voronin etc arent the greatest i would say a lot of the squad players we have now are better than players like mellor le tallec etc from his first season .

Also will you go correct your friend about the fa cup run and against weaker teams .

He didnt mention the cup run. Only the final against the mighty West Ham who last won something in 1980 and gained promotion to the Prem in 2005.
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Postby GYBS » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:06 pm

Sir Roger wrote:
GYBS wrote:
Sir Roger wrote:
GYBS wrote:Didnt we beat both chelsea and man utd on the way to winning the FA Cup ?

Werent we all over Milan in the second CL final

So we win against Milan first time and he gets no credit - we loose then next and its his fault .

The squad that Rafa took over ended up 30 odd points from the title winners - last season we were 6 ? 4 was it - is that not improvement ..

What about our strength and depth?

well im guessing seeing as its a long season and the squad needs to be used and we only had gerrard and torres together for a total of 18 games was it im guessing that the squad must of been good enough to come second last season so would say it was an improvement . while voronin etc arent the greatest i would say a lot of the squad players we have now are better than players like mellor le tallec etc from his first season .

Also will you go correct your friend about the fa cup run and against weaker teams .

He didnt mention the cup run. Only the final against the mighty West Ham who last won something in 1980 and gained promotion to the Prem in 2005.
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So just the final then goes against rafa and no mention of the run up until the final ? so cherry picking matches against Rafa then ?
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Postby GYBS » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:07 pm

Effes wrote:This thread has been GYBSasperated.

very good input there - well done it was nearly midly amusing . Now you have it out of your system how about concentrate on the thread as opposed to my posting .
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Postby Effes » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:10 pm

GYBS wrote:
Effes wrote:This thread has been GYBSasperated.

very good input there - well done it was nearly midly amusing . Now you have it out of your system how about concentrate on the thread as opposed to my posting .

The thread has BECOME your posting mate - you've been scatter-gunning again.
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Postby bigmick » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:10 pm

GYBS wrote:How clear do i need to be ffs -

IN SOME GAMES WE SHOULD OF AND IN SOME GAMES WE DIDNT NEED TOO

Ie in games against Hull and weaker teams we play him alongside masher or lucas where he doesnt need to worry about protecting the back four but games against the stronger teams adding masher or whoever it protects us .

??? Have I inadvertantly lapsed into Swahili or Malai Indian or something here  ???

"From game one" isn't "some games", it's "from game one", ie a specific moment in time.

I haven't asked "should Steven Gerrard have played in central midfield in every single moment of every single match", I've asked a different question. I do realise the answer maybe uncomfortable, but if you don't want to answer it just say so rahter than talking nonsense.
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Postby GYBS » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:13 pm

NO he shouldnt of played cm in the first game

Happy now .
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Postby bigmick » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:16 pm

GYBS wrote:NO he shouldnt of played cm in the first game

Happy now .

Well I'm happy in that you've given your opinion yes. I don't agree with it obviously, but that's all good.

If you compare our record with Gerrard filling in for Alonso and with anybody else filling in for Alonso, I think it probably indicates that I am right on this one but once again it's just my opinion.
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Postby Sir Roger » Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:17 pm

GYBS wrote:NO he shouldnt of played cm in the first game

Happy now .

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