Do we really need - More players?

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Postby 66-1120597113 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:31 am

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Postby EddieC » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:46 am

monkey 20 wrote:
aCe' wrote:we have a problem with our wingers... mark gonzales, aurelio, kewell(injuries) , Pennant, L.Garcia even S.Gerrard...
all are either average wingers or have been played out of position because of the simple fact of us lacking quality in that position...
compare Pennant to C.Ronaldo or Hleb or J.Cole...
M.Gonzales to Giggs or Robben or V.Persie

we need to improve the quality of our players.... simple as that !

ace is right, maybe not completely, but still going in the right direction. i would love nothing more than to give these players time to develope and see where that takes us, but if we font sign new players...we will fall behind the mancs and chelski! even arsenal! although i dont think we need to go out and buy a whole new squad. we need a WORLD CLASS striker, as well as WORLD CLASS wingers...simple as that! and the obvious cover for finnan and CM and maybe a CD

                       Reina
Finnan    Carra         Agger   Riise

               Sissoko
A. Lennon          Alonso    Van der Vaart
                  Gerrard
               
               Trezeguet

or

                 Reina

Finnan    Carra    Agger  Riise

Lennon   Gerrard  Alonso  Van der Vaart

            Bellamy  Toni

also part of the new players in the squad

Kompany
Sissoko(might hav2play) (not new obviously)
Gago (one for the future
Quaresma
Neill
Simao
Hargreaves (will also f*ck the mancs off)
Nuri Sahin (also great player for the future)
Villa - will be too expensive, we're dreaming

with a squad like this, we will be able to challenge for the title...only after we get a squad like this can we leave our team and give them the time they desparately need to gel. even if we have to forget about the title for 1 or 2 years, it'll do us wonders!!!

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Ok, let's look at this then.

You propose to buy three right wingers (actually four as gago can play down either side), do you really think these players are gonna come here knowing that they'll get 20 games a season if lucky, when they play regular football for their current clubs.

In central defence, what plans would you have for Kompany? Drop Carragher? Or use your three man rotation system again with Agger & Hyypia? Or maybe young vincent is going to be happy to warm the bench, after all it's not like he's getting first team football at the moment is it?

You advocate buying Trezeguet, Villa & Toni. There's no mention of selling Kuyt or Crouch in your plans, so I take it the 6 of them are going to battle it out. Oh well, there are two spaces up for grabs, so I suppose 6 is probably a reasonable amount of strikers to have in the squad.

Finally, I would put money on it that you had never heard of Fernando Gago, Ricardo Quaresma & Nuri Sahin before you played a certain PS2 game called LMA Manager. All three of these players are very good on said game, this does not make them that good in real life. All in all, your post was complete & utter cr@p, I haven't even touched on the amount it would cost to bring in all the players named as I feel it's obvious to everyone that we'll never spend that much money in one go, but just for simple tactical ineptitude, this post deserves to be met with total ridicule.

And anyway, everyone knows we're gonna sign Ronaldinho & Kaka  :rasp  :D
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Postby 66-1120597113 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 11:50 am

EddieC wrote:
monkey 20 wrote:
aCe' wrote:we have a problem with our wingers... mark gonzales, aurelio, kewell(injuries) , Pennant, L.Garcia even S.Gerrard...
all are either average wingers or have been played out of position because of the simple fact of us lacking quality in that position...
compare Pennant to C.Ronaldo or Hleb or J.Cole...
M.Gonzales to Giggs or Robben or V.Persie

we need to improve the quality of our players.... simple as that !

ace is right, maybe not completely, but still going in the right direction. i would love nothing more than to give these players time to develope and see where that takes us, but if we font sign new players...we will fall behind the mancs and chelski! even arsenal! although i dont think we need to go out and buy a whole new squad. we need a WORLD CLASS striker, as well as WORLD CLASS wingers...simple as that! and the obvious cover for finnan and CM and maybe a CD

                       Reina
Finnan    Carra         Agger   Riise

               Sissoko
A. Lennon          Alonso    Van der Vaart
                  Gerrard
               
               Trezeguet

or

                 Reina

Finnan    Carra    Agger  Riise

Lennon   Gerrard  Alonso  Van der Vaart

            Bellamy  Toni

also part of the new players in the squad

Kompany
Sissoko(might hav2play) (not new obviously)
Gago (one for the future
Quaresma
Neill
Simao
Hargreaves (will also f*ck the mancs off)
Nuri Sahin (also great player for the future)
Villa - will be too expensive, we're dreaming

with a squad like this, we will be able to challenge for the title...only after we get a squad like this can we leave our team and give them the time they desparately need to gel. even if we have to forget about the title for 1 or 2 years, it'll do us wonders!!!

:buttrock

Ok, let's look at this then.

You propose to buy three right wingers (actually four as gago can play down either side), do you really think these players are gonna come here knowing that they'll get 20 games a season if lucky, when they play regular football for their current clubs.

In central defence, what plans would you have for Kompany? Drop Carragher? Or use your three man rotation system again with Agger & Hyypia? Or maybe young vincent is going to be happy to warm the bench, after all it's not like he's getting first team football at the moment is it?

You advocate buying Trezeguet, Villa & Toni. There's no mention of selling Kuyt or Crouch in your plans, so I take it the 6 of them are going to battle it out. Oh well, there are two spaces up for grabs, so I suppose 6 is probably a reasonable amount of strikers to have in the squad.

Finally, I would put money on it that you had never heard of Fernando Gago, Ricardo Quaresma & Nuri Sahin before you played a certain PS2 game called LMA Manager. All three of these players are very good on said game, this does not make them that good in real life. All in all, your post was complete & utter cr@p, I haven't even touched on the amount it would cost to bring in all the players named as I feel it's obvious to everyone that we'll never spend that much money in one go, but just for simple tactical ineptitude, this post deserves to be met with total ridicule.

And anyway, everyone knows we're gonna sign Ronaldinho & Kaka  :rasp  :D

Exactly and thankyou Eddie!

LFC is good enough to challenge at present...all we need is guided!! Raffa can do that!! :buttrock
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:18 pm

BarryBelfast wrote:All this excitement about the new takeover has gone to a lot of fans heads..Its understandable,of course.
More money for the club can only be a good thing.Im sure we all trust LFC enough to know they will not jump into anything that is not totally 100% benificial in every sense to the club.

Its exciting in a lot of ways what lies ahead.The primary topic on every fans lips is what players we are gonna sign!
People are expecting Villa,Ronaldhinio,Kaka all the big superstar names if not in January,definately at season end!

I dont think this what we need...not in January and not even at the end of the season!Hear me out.
Rick Parry has talked about a long term financial strategy that will make LFC secure for the next 100 years!

The reason we are playing catch up and were at this time last season is simple we start the season poorly!

Why do we start poorly?
The answer is simple!

Too many new players not used to our style of play or the LFC way have taken time to find their feet...hence a poor dip in form for the whole team!

Look at us now the team have gelled and are scoring for fun,we are on a par with the top two and i fully expect us to finish the rest of the season taking as many points as both Chelsea and UTD.

So i dont really see the point in bringing in any new faces this season.Personally i feel that will only rock the boat and it will be Deja vu...of the previous 2 seasons.We will be sh.it for the first 8 weeks or so then come good,this will never win us the EPL!
I think we should sit tight with what we have for the rest of the season and the season ahead!
We dont need to let all this money thats coming burn a hole in our pockets.
We should give it a year then see who we need to say goodbye to and who we want and more importantly NEED to welcome aboard!

Just my thoughts...maybe im wrong..What do you lot think?

Barry I think thats a fair post and I'd agree with that entirely, except for the fact we may need cover for Finnan. I was saying exactly what you said when we were severely stuttering earlier on in the season. The fact that most (and me included) at one point or another were largely unimpressed by our teams performances and the new boys, led us to either knock them or call for ' big name buys.'

On the whole, and we can say that due to the world cup and rotation etc etc and what not, the six new summer signings brought into the first team majorly played havoc with our form. As you said about them being " gelled" and even now the likes of Pennant and Gonzo havent bedded down 100%. So to bring numerous players in on top of that, will probably send us two steps back before making one step forward. And seen as thats already happened this season I for one dont think its worth the risk again, to find ourselves stuggling for fourth. At the moment we've strung a few results together, and apart from Finnan's cover I think we should leave well alone in the transfer market until summer at least.
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Postby aCe' » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:24 pm

Ace Ventura wrote:
aCe' wrote:if u dont change... you lag behind

we did a bit of changing... credit to rafa...
quality of players we brought in (bellamy, Pennant, Gonzales...etc) .. not good enough... id be willing to give all the signing enough time to gel in and play their best...but imo... THIS season is the time wen u do all ur picking and sorting out... we are already out of the title race...things not looking so good in the champions league... etc
for next season...with the new financial situation...we have an opportunity that i think we should go for... sign players we obviously need (though sometimes refuse to admit) !
at left back... riise...i mean...i like the guy... one of my fav. players int he world... but... come on... if we have the chance of signing a player like lahm... i say we go for it..
Ribery instead of M.Gonzales or Aurelio.... i mean... sure we can give Gonzales and Aurelio the next 2 years to adapt to the english league and all... but... ribery will probably be in some other big club by then....and if that club is manutd or chelsea ...there you have it... gap is only getting bigger...
Chelsea are signing players.... Manutd are making some quality signings (carrick) , we too have made good signings (bellamy, pennant)  but in comparison...what we do is more like baby steps..
time to bridge the gap... only way i see that happening is by us signing better players !

What a poor excuse for a post this is.

Bellamy now his court case is out of the way is showing exactly what he is capable of, and has been our best player the last couple of games.
Gonzalez has had unfortunate injuries and while the jury is still out he has already scored 3 times, i think Kewell scored about 4-5 in the whole of last season.
Pennant has been poor and seems to lack passion and desire but lets just hope he starts showing what he is capable of soon, like Bellamy has.
And btw Ribery is predominately a right winger, so if he was signed i very much doubt it would be to replace Gonzalez or Auellio.

Carrick is not a good signing at all. He has nothing to his game, his tackling is OK, passing OK, shooting OK, he doesnt dicatate the pace of a game like Xabi does for us, and doesnt have one outstanding quality.
A vastly over rated player imo.

I agree with the posters that say give the current players time, if it wasnt for over rotation at the start of the season and the worst set of fixtures in recent memory we wouldnt be so far off the pace at this stage.

court case...hahahah
yea...guess he'll go on to score 30 goals in the league this season heh ?!
lsn... bellamy is not that good a player; him scoring 3 or 4 goals against relegation battlers in recent weeks doesnt mean sht to me !
mark gonzales is not a good a player.. scored 4 goals... good for him... id pick kewell if he was fit any freakin day of the week ! the guy lacks quality and its so obvious... wat are you saying !
pennant is poor. given a chance he might improve, but still dont think he has the quality needed.
Gerrard is better in cenrtral midfield.
Ribery can play in the left flank as well as the right flank.
Carrick is a good player. i think hes overrated too but cant say he is not a good signing at all. they r top of the table and imo that says it all.
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Postby Anfield rapper » Fri Dec 22, 2006 12:42 pm

I completely agree with the first post. There have been quite a few signings since Rafa arrived and now i think he has made the team his own and should only really be signing one or two at most per transfer window. Last season we started terribly but at the end of the season we were unbeatable. It seams to be happening again. OK we have played many of the top sides away but even against poor teams we have struggled at times. I just think next summer if we do get the investment Rafa should consentrate on signing one world class player not 3 or 4  £10m players who all need time to settle in.

Just look at Chelski, they signed Ballack and Shevc*nto and eventhough they haven't really performed its only two players so it hasn't really affected the teams form and sooner or later the two of them will come good and be great players again.
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Postby aCe' » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:02 pm

Anfield rapper wrote:I completely agree with the first post. There have been quite a few signings since Rafa arrived and now i think he has made the team his own and should only really be signing one or two at most per transfer window. Last season we started terribly but at the end of the season we were unbeatable. It seams to be happening again. OK we have played many of the top sides away but even against poor teams we have struggled at times. I just think next summer if we do get the investment Rafa should consentrate on signing one world class player not 3 or 4  £10m players who all need time to settle in.

Just look at Chelski, they signed Ballack and Shevc*nto and eventhough they haven't really performed its only two players so it hasn't really affected the teams form and sooner or later the two of them will come good and be great players again.

chelsea signed :

Shevchenko
Ballack
A.Cole
Khalid Boulahrouz
J.O. Mikel
W.Bridge (loan)
Kalou

3 or 4 of which feature almost every game.. if not starting, as subs !

Just compare the quality of signing we made to theirs and you'll see where im going with this .

we have a good squad...many player who will improve if given time... that much i agree with...
just not good enough if you ask me !
in this league, u can beat the likes of charlton and wigan all you want.. that wont win you the league... it might get u to 3rd spot.. our current standing.
if you want to win the league... you are expected to have a team better than the other 19 clubs competing with you.. chelsea had that for the past 2 seasons... imo they still do.. juventus had it in italy...now inter have it .... barca has it in spain... bayern in germany..
you cant honestly tell me u expect liverpool with the current squad of players to win the league... u can kid urself all you want... i just cant buy it !

im not saying go out and buy 5 or 6 new signings... im just saying that if we want to win the league, we need to improve the quality of players we have. 2 or 3 signings in the rite positions would do imo !
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:20 pm

aCe' wrote:
Anfield rapper wrote:I completely agree with the first post. There have been quite a few signings since Rafa arrived and now i think he has made the team his own and should only really be signing one or two at most per transfer window. Last season we started terribly but at the end of the season we were unbeatable. It seams to be happening again. OK we have played many of the top sides away but even against poor teams we have struggled at times. I just think next summer if we do get the investment Rafa should consentrate on signing one world class player not 3 or 4  £10m players who all need time to settle in.

Just look at Chelski, they signed Ballack and Shevc*nto and eventhough they haven't really performed its only two players so it hasn't really affected the teams form and sooner or later the two of them will come good and be great players again.

chelsea signed :

Shevchenko
Ballack
A.Cole
Khalid Boulahrouz
J.O. Mikel
W.Bridge (loan)
Kalou

3 or 4 of which feature almost every game.. if not starting, as subs !

Just compare the quality of signing we made to theirs and you'll see where im going with this .

we have a good squad...many player who will improve if given time... that much i agree with...
just not good enough if you ask me !
in this league, u can beat the likes of charlton and wigan all you want.. that wont win you the league... it might get u to 3rd spot.. our current standing.
if you want to win the league... you are expected to have a team better than the other 19 clubs competing with you.. chelsea had that for the past 2 seasons... imo they still do.. juventus had it in italy...now inter have it .... barca has it in spain... bayern in germany..
you cant honestly tell me u expect liverpool with the current squad of players to win the league... u can kid urself all you want... i just cant buy it !

im not saying go out and buy 5 or 6 new signings... im just saying that if we want to win the league, we need to improve the quality of players we have. 2 or 3 signings in the rite positions would do imo !

I understand your sentiments aCe' and I'm sure you've heard this before, but answer me this ............

How did Rafa beat the finacial clout of Barca and Madrid with Valencia ?

Sure he had some quality players, but then again so do we. He beat them on team formulas, tactics and cohesion surely.
Even Chelsea, yes they do have great names in their team and as much as it pains me to say you still need a good manager to get you the results, the players dont do it alone my friend. If say Neil Warnock, Gareth Southgate or Graeme Souness had Chelsea's squad at their disposal do you really believe they'd conquer the prem, I dont think so, its more than just big names.
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Postby aCe' » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:30 pm

aCe' wrote:
Anfield rapper wrote:I completely agree with the first post. There have been quite a few signings since Rafa arrived and now i think he has made the team his own and should only really be signing one or two at most per transfer window. Last season we started terribly but at the end of the season we were unbeatable. It seams to be happening again. OK we have played many of the top sides away but even against poor teams we have struggled at times. I just think next summer if we do get the investment Rafa should consentrate on signing one world class player not 3 or 4  £10m players who all need time to settle in.

Just look at Chelski, they signed Ballack and Shevc*nto and eventhough they haven't really performed its only two players so it hasn't really affected the teams form and sooner or later the two of them will come good and be great players again.

chelsea signed :

Shevchenko
Ballack
A.Cole
Khalid Boulahrouz
J.O. Mikel
W.Bridge (loan)
Kalou

3 or 4 of which feature almost every game.. if not starting, as subs !

Just compare the quality of signing we made to theirs and you'll see where im going with this .

we have a good squad...many player who will improve if given time... that much i agree with...
just not good enough if you ask me !
in this league, u can beat the likes of charlton and wigan all you want.. that wont win you the league... it might get u to 3rd spot.. our current standing.
if you want to win the league... you are expected to have a team better than the other 19 clubs competing with you.. chelsea had that for the past 2 seasons... imo they still do.. juventus had it in italy...now inter have it .... barca has it in spain... bayern in germany..
you cant honestly tell me u expect liverpool with the current squad of players to win the league... u can kid urself all you want... i just cant buy it !

im not saying go out and buy 5 or 6 new signings... im just saying that if we want to win the league, we need to improve the quality of players we have. 2 or 3 signings in the rite positions would do imo !

chelsea have a great manager my friend... and so do we !
now you answer me this... why did they win the league the last couple of seasons and we didnt ?!
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Postby 66-1112520797 » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:43 pm

aCe' wrote:
aCe' wrote:
Anfield rapper wrote:I completely agree with the first post. There have been quite a few signings since Rafa arrived and now i think he has made the team his own and should only really be signing one or two at most per transfer window. Last season we started terribly but at the end of the season we were unbeatable. It seams to be happening again. OK we have played many of the top sides away but even against poor teams we have struggled at times. I just think next summer if we do get the investment Rafa should consentrate on signing one world class player not 3 or 4  £10m players who all need time to settle in.

Just look at Chelski, they signed Ballack and Shevc*nto and eventhough they haven't really performed its only two players so it hasn't really affected the teams form and sooner or later the two of them will come good and be great players again.

chelsea signed :

Shevchenko
Ballack
A.Cole
Khalid Boulahrouz
J.O. Mikel
W.Bridge (loan)
Kalou

3 or 4 of which feature almost every game.. if not starting, as subs !

Just compare the quality of signing we made to theirs and you'll see where im going with this .

we have a good squad...many player who will improve if given time... that much i agree with...
just not good enough if you ask me !
in this league, u can beat the likes of charlton and wigan all you want.. that wont win you the league... it might get u to 3rd spot.. our current standing.
if you want to win the league... you are expected to have a team better than the other 19 clubs competing with you.. chelsea had that for the past 2 seasons... imo they still do.. juventus had it in italy...now inter have it .... barca has it in spain... bayern in germany..
you cant honestly tell me u expect liverpool with the current squad of players to win the league... u can kid urself all you want... i just cant buy it !

im not saying go out and buy 5 or 6 new signings... im just saying that if we want to win the league, we need to improve the quality of players we have. 2 or 3 signings in the rite positions would do imo !

chelsea have a great manager my friend... and so do we !
now you answer me this... why did they win the league the last couple of seasons and we didnt ?!

Because when Rafa took charge in his first season he didnt have the nucleaus of players Jose had when he first became manager at Chelsea. In his second he brought in what he could afford that doesnt mean ' big name signings ' he brought in what he could afford and is building on that, look at Wenger he doesnt always buy hollywood signings, he like Benitez looks to the future and builds on what his budget allows. True Mouriniho can go and spend millions on a player but I bet Roman demands instant success. Where our camp is a little different.

Answer me this  :D  How comes Rafa won the European cup and knocked Chelsea's multi-million pound team out along the way with a more or less a Houllier type squad ?
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Postby Rafa D » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:46 pm

Good post Bazza,

  The questions you have posed have made me think about what direction the current crop of players are heading in. After the signings Rafa made in the summer, the squad is probably the strongest we have had in the Premiership. The strength in the first team and the squad depth is very impressive. A strong squad is vital in the Premiership and Rafa has developed the squad a lot since his arrival.

  At the end of the 2005/2006 season, a very sucessful season, the main question marks over the squad were the wings and the strikers. At some points in the season it looked very easy to defend but a lot harder to put the ball in the oppositions net. Rafa identified this problem, like many of fans and duly set about fixing it. Morientes was shipped out, as was Djibs and Bellamy and Kuyt were brought in. The additions of Gonzo and Pennant were a must and Aurelio is a welcome addition to push JAR for the LB spot.

  At the start of the season I was very happy with the squad. There are obviously some teething problems for the likes of Aurelio, Gonzo and Kuyt. There foreign to this league and we have to give them time to adjust. Bellamy has just started to show what he can do and I think he was a steal at 6m and hope he can produce the goods on a regular basis as his recent performances have been what we expected from him. Pennant has been a major let down for me. I did not really rate him when he came but he has been abysmal so far in a red shirt. He has come out of his shell a bit recently against Galatasaray and Charlton, but for what we paid and all his reputation, he has definetly been a let down. I would not suggest shipping it out. He should get a season, but if he does not improve rapidly in the 2nd half of the season I would be ready to cut our losses and bring in a top quality replacement. The right wing is still a problem area for me.

  Also the right back position is the most obvious and weakest in the depth of it as we only have Finnan and Peltier there. Finnan has been a great servant the last 2 years and he is only 30 but I expect Lucas Neil to be the player pushing for a place there. I would also like to see another buy for the RB position. Finnan and Neil are good but both in the 30+ bracket in the summer. However it would be foolish not to take note of Benitez back line at Valencia. His average age in the 2003 season was around 34. He likes his back line to have experience so I would not be surprised to see him stick with Neil and Finnan for a couple of seasons.

The only other area I would like to see strengthened in the summer is the striking department. Our current crop is quite well balanced. Crouch is probably our most effective forward and I have developed quite a fondness for our "freak". He really is a excellent footballer and I am extremely happy that we have him. Kuyt is a work horse, he is skillful and looks like a great addition. Bellamy is our pace, he is hard to defend against and is finally showing the sort of form that made everyone sit up and take note. Unfortunetly Robbie's season has not hit the highs that we would of loved. He is still a great finisher, as his goals in the Ataturk proved. However, and I write this with a heavy heart, Robbie's last season is this season. He is good player and a legend at Liverpool but he does not look like he has goals in him in the Premiership. I love Robbie and he is my hero, but I think this will be his swansong.
    I would like us to buy a big proven goalscorer in the summer, Villa, Torres along those lines. I think we need a guarenteed 20+ league goals a year man. Bellamy, Kuyt and Crouch are all superb players but we need someone to bang them in, something we have not had since the departure of Owen.

  So in conclusion, I am very very happy with our squad but like everything in life, things can be improved. The whole of the right side needs to be strengthened in my view. Cover for Finnan, and a new winger, a first teamer. And a "big" goalscorer is needed, if we are to compete with the Mancs and Chelsea next year.

Onwards and Upwards....
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Postby Ace Ventura » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:50 pm

aCe' wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
aCe' wrote:if u dont change... you lag behind

we did a bit of changing... credit to rafa...
quality of players we brought in (bellamy, Pennant, Gonzales...etc) .. not good enough... id be willing to give all the signing enough time to gel in and play their best...but imo... THIS season is the time wen u do all ur picking and sorting out... we are already out of the title race...things not looking so good in the champions league... etc
for next season...with the new financial situation...we have an opportunity that i think we should go for... sign players we obviously need (though sometimes refuse to admit) !
at left back... riise...i mean...i like the guy... one of my fav. players int he world... but... come on... if we have the chance of signing a player like lahm... i say we go for it..
Ribery instead of M.Gonzales or Aurelio.... i mean... sure we can give Gonzales and Aurelio the next 2 years to adapt to the english league and all... but... ribery will probably be in some other big club by then....and if that club is manutd or chelsea ...there you have it... gap is only getting bigger...
Chelsea are signing players.... Manutd are making some quality signings (carrick) , we too have made good signings (bellamy, pennant)  but in comparison...what we do is more like baby steps..
time to bridge the gap... only way i see that happening is by us signing better players !

What a poor excuse for a post this is.

Bellamy now his court case is out of the way is showing exactly what he is capable of, and has been our best player the last couple of games.
Gonzalez has had unfortunate injuries and while the jury is still out he has already scored 3 times, i think Kewell scored about 4-5 in the whole of last season.
Pennant has been poor and seems to lack passion and desire but lets just hope he starts showing what he is capable of soon, like Bellamy has.
And btw Ribery is predominately a right winger, so if he was signed i very much doubt it would be to replace Gonzalez or Auellio.

Carrick is not a good signing at all. He has nothing to his game, his tackling is OK, passing OK, shooting OK, he doesnt dicatate the pace of a game like Xabi does for us, and doesnt have one outstanding quality.
A vastly over rated player imo.

I agree with the posters that say give the current players time, if it wasnt for over rotation at the start of the season and the worst set of fixtures in recent memory we wouldnt be so far off the pace at this stage.

court case...hahahah
yea...guess he'll go on to score 30 goals in the league this season heh ?!
lsn... bellamy is not that good a player; him scoring 3 or 4 goals against relegation battlers in recent weeks doesnt mean sht to me !
mark gonzales is not a good a player.. scored 4 goals... good for him... id pick kewell if he was fit any freakin day of the week ! the guy lacks quality and its so obvious... wat are you saying !
pennant is poor. given a chance he might improve, but still dont think he has the quality needed.
Gerrard is better in cenrtral midfield.
Ribery can play in the left flank as well as the right flank.
Carrick is a good player. i think hes overrated too but cant say he is not a good signing at all. they r top of the table and imo that says it all.

So a court case with a couple of years inside is not going to affect a players performances at all ?
Bellamy was one of the top scorers in the league last season and scored all different kinds of goals with both feet, he is a nuisance to play against and works so hard for the team, as well as having decent awareness.
Gonzalez looks a bit raw but deserves a bit of time, he is settling in to a totally different country with a different style of football and has scored some goals already.
Carrick cost silly money and doesnt have anywhere near the ability of Alonso who we already have so i dont see your point there.
United may be sitting top of the table but there fixtures have been a piece of p!ss, they are yet to visit any of the top sides away, while we have played them all.
They will drop plenty of points this year and the only reason their midfield has been half decent this year is because they have Scholes back....nothing to do with the over rated Carrick.
Ribery could play on the left but is a right winger, why not give the players rafa signed a chance instead of disrupting the squad with loads of new signings again ?
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Postby Effes » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:51 pm

Rafa-Dodd wrote:The whole of the right side needs to be strengthened in my view. Cover for Finnan, and a new winger, a first teamer. And a "big" goalscorer is needed, if we are to compete with the Mancs and Chelsea next year.

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Postby EddieC » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:55 pm

Rafa-Dodd wrote:So in conclusion, I am very very happy with our squad but like everything in life, things can be improved. The whole of the right side needs to be strengthened in my view. Cover for Finnan, and a new winger, a first teamer. And a "big" goalscorer is needed, if we are to compete with the Mancs and Chelsea next year.

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Postby Rafa D » Fri Dec 22, 2006 1:57 pm

EddieC wrote:
Rafa-Dodd wrote:So in conclusion, I am very very happy with our squad but like everything in life, things can be improved. The whole of the right side needs to be strengthened in my view. Cover for Finnan, and a new winger, a first teamer. And a "big" goalscorer is needed, if we are to compete with the Mancs and Chelsea next year.

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So Crouchy's not big enough?

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