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[Emerald Red]

I personally thought today he was more or less shyte for the most part of the match, but then again so was Gerrard. However, the thing that is most admirable about Kuyt is that his head never drops. Never. People like to glorify the glamorous attributes of footballers such as skill, pace, vision, touch, awareness etc etc. But willpower is the most underrated one of them all. If you drop your head, then all those other things are useless. Kuyt didn't drop his head, and got himself a goal. How many times can that be said for Kuyt? It's why he deserves to be wearing the shirt.

[Penguins]

He likes it when there is physical battles, play in the box and other teams comes at you.

When other teams just wait at you, Kuyt is extremly ineffective as he can't get by a player neither by pace or skill. (Which is the case in most games)

But all these excuses like desire, head never drops, wears the heart on the sleeve, etc etc matters Jack **** if the player´s poor. Why is that so hard to understand???!!

[Penguins]

I would play until I puked if I got the chance. I would kiss the whole shirt if I scored and run around the field like a madman.
I would relish every second on the field if I got a chance.

Should I get a chance? A big fat no, cause I am not good enough!

[Emerald Red]

He likes it when there is physical battles, play in the box and other teams comes at you.

When other teams just wait at you, Kuyt is extremly ineffective as he can't get by a player neither by pace or skill. (Which is the case in most games)

But all these excuses like desire, head never drops, wears the heart on the sleeve, etc etc matters Jack **** if the player´s poor. Why is that so hard to understand???!!

It doesn't mean "jack" if he's out there working his balls off for others to take example from. His work rate can give a player in a covering position that much more time to get back to fill a gap, or take pressure off the midfield. Most players on a football pitch love a player like that in their team.

[redhayesy]

All this heart and desire is doing my head in.
I want a quality footballer with skill and tricks going past defender, not a headless chicken running(slowly) around kissing the badge and saying the right things in the media at the right time.

you need to read about our history an what quality's it takes to play for LFC, cause heart an desire is just the begining of what a player should have, with that quality- they will be in with a shout of being a worthy player to pull on the famous red shirt!


i want a player first an foremost to display the above, cause if he has that, then his ability to fight for the ball, create chances for his team mates will happen.

dirk has the heart, desire an energy to make him one of the first names on any team sheet, i for one am proud of his attitude an commitment towards getting a first team place week in week out, cause for me their isn't enough players like him around, alot of fringe players with this FC could learn alot from dirk imho.

another example - when things aren't going right, he doesn't whinge or wine in the media also, get it into context first before you post.

[woof woof !]

heart an desire is just the begining of what a player should have

There you go.

Look at our teams '75-'85.

Does anyone think that all around we had the most skillfull/talented squad in the world ? . Of course we didn't, what we did have was a collective that would give everything they had and more , that was the difference !

David Johnson, Jimmy Case, legends to those that know the club, I'm sure most that saw them play would admit that they weren't the most skillfull players you'd wish to have but what they lacked in skill they more than made up with in heart and application.

I'm not gonna hand any medals to Kuyt but I'd put the fella the company of the above named.

Any problems we may have are certainly not down to Dirk Kuyt.

[Penguins]

But heart and desire is not the be all of football.
Kuyt scores 80-90% of all of his goals in the 6 yeard box and if we are not on top of the opponents,playing well, Kuyt is very ineffective and is asked to do things he is not capable of, like get past a fullback once in a while.

So just cause he shows heart and desire he deserves to play?
I will never accept that as a philosophy to be successful.
Unless you have enough skill to go along with that desire it is worth jack ****.
Like Kuyt is some leader? He is absolutely not a player that raises his level when the team is playing poorly, because he can't.

And plaese check yout history. When he was playing absolutely terrible in the 1st half of 07/08 he went out in the media every other week proclaiming how great Torres and Gerrard was etc to deflect any attention to him.

[woof woof !]

So just cause he shows heart and desire he deserves to play?

You're right, f'uck it, forget no talent Kuyt , lets play Babel in every match, surely his natural talent will outweigh Kuyt's desire to contribute.

[Fauxy]

I thought Kuyt was quite awful today to be honest.. he didnt really do anything other than the tap in goal and I noticed on quite a few occasions he left Johnson stranded on the right.

But even when he plays rubbish he still works his nuts off, and for that he deserves a lot of credit.

I think he would be a better player if we played 4-4-2 and he was the support striker. He is one of those Van Nistelrooy type players who are always in smart positions to get onto the end of deflections and poach goals. Not saying that he is bad on the right wing but I dont think the setup that we have really suits him as a player.

And Penguin mate.. I havent seen you make a positive post yet, and this is after we have just beaten everton 

[Penguins]

But except for the win, which was lovely, did anything really happen out on the field in that game that makes you positive our poor form has turned?

We were 2nd best against that shower of ****. That is the truth no matter how you slice and dice it. And Kuyt isn't the only one being poor but he has been poor for a long time now and he never ever gets subbed no matter what.
He spends the time waiting for someone else in the team to make it happen so he can be the hero and tap in a rebound or another 5 yard shot.

His main criteria seems to be to run around and chase the ball like a dog and once he gets it he doesn't know what to do with it unless he is inside the 6 yard box.
Sounds harsh?
Well, it is the truth.

And isn't it time to live in the now?
In todays football yopu can't afford to have passengers like in the 70's and 80's if you top players was good enough.
The competition is so fierce in todays game and if you have a weakness you will be punished and you will be exposed.

And I prefer Benayoun on the right most games unless we are facing a skilled opponents that takes the game to us.

All this desire, running etc are blinding everyone from seeing Kuyt the footballer, and a very limited one he is.

[Zidane]

But except for the win, which was lovely, did anything really happen out on the field in that game that makes you positive our poor form has turned?

We were 2nd best against that shower of ****. That is the truth no matter how you slice and dice it. And Kuyt isn't the only one being poor but he has been poor for a long time now and he never ever gets subbed no matter what.
He spends the time waiting for someone else in the team to make it happen so he can be the hero and tap in a rebound or another 5 yard shot.

His main criteria seems to be to run around and chase the ball like a dog and once he gets it he doesn't know what to do with it unless he is inside the 6 yard box.
Sounds harsh?
Well, it is the truth.

And isn't it time to live in the now?
In todays football yopu can't afford to have passengers like in the 70's and 80's if you top players was good enough.
The competition is so fierce in todays game and if you have a weakness you will be punished and you will be exposed.

And I prefer Benayoun on the right most games unless we are facing a skilled opponents that takes the game to us.

All this desire, running etc are blinding everyone from seeing Kuyt the footballer, and a very limited one he is.

You need to watch your mouth, I'm fine with not liking a player and criticizing them about their shortcomings but you're going too far with all the sh!t you're posting.  Kuyt has proved his worth time and time again for us even with all his limited abilities so why shouldn't he be played consistently?  If all you needed was hard work and bags of energy to be successful surely there would be plenty more Kuyt's running around in teams no?  Yeah he did absolutely nothing for the second goal aside from stand in the middle and tap it in, he didn't head the ball toward Gerrard to setup the initial play?

There's a reason he did so well in the Dutch league and why he has established himself here at Liverpool.  He knows how to get into good positions, his movement is better than most and he reads the game very well.  He's a smart player.  He'll have his games where he plays a great game so don't act like he's useless all the time.

[ConnO'var]

Worked his balls off and snatched a goal. I think games were he doesn't get time on the ball suit him.

You know what, that's actually a really interesting observation. I think you're right.

Against the big 4 and hard pressing teams, he has done well (won't say VERY well but well ).

Maybe more accurate than what we thought as a throwaway one liner......

If we had an adequate replacement on the right wing, I would actually move Dirk upfront to harrass the opposing teams defence... he may not score a lot in that role... but all the endevour he shows could actually open up the pitch for the rest of the squadron.

Good point, mate.

[shawnk]

Despite his goal today he didnt have a very good game.

He is always the one who gets onto the end of deflections though so I would prefer him upfront than Ngog.

But he did perform way better than he usually do in the past few games in this lousy team performance.

[shawnk]

He likes it when there is physical battles, play in the box and other teams comes at you.

When other teams just wait at you, Kuyt is extremly ineffective as he can't get by a player neither by pace or skill. (Which is the case in most games)

Good point!

And I was commenting to my wife how Johnson can attack better as a defender and getting pass players. He always look dangerous when he gets on the offensive way better than Kuyt... maybe we should swap Kuyt and Johnson to suit Rafa's tactic better.

[killerp]

All heart & no skill 

This guy is one mean hound dog