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[GYBS]

And like i said saint people more than happy to disagree with me but wont insult them because their opinion differs will leave that to you it seems .

[GYBS]

Wht's worse is you had plenty of opportunity to corect yourself, but you chose to leave it out there. Do you still stand by this statement just out of interest 

yes mick i do  - last season kuyt was just as important to our success as those others that have been mentioned .

[bigmick]

And like i said saint people more than happy to disagree with me but wont insult them because their opinion differs will leave that to you it seems .

That doesn't really answer my question mate, do you still think Kuyt is every bit as important as Torres and Gerrard?

[bigmick]

Sorry for asking the same question twice, I just couldn't believe it the first time

[GYBS]

And like i said saint people more than happy to disagree with me but wont insult them because their opinion differs will leave that to you it seems .

That doesn't really answer my question mate, do you still think Kuyt is every bit as important as Torres and Gerrard?

read post above mick .

[maguskwt]

cisse got 5 goals in 16 games 4 in the league and 1 in europe so total of 5 in 25 games- the season afterwards he got 7 in 33 games in league , 2 in fa cup , 8 in 14 in europe , so 17 in 58 games . so 73 games he got 22 goals .

22 goals in 43 starts for Cisse.....36 of his appearances were as a sub,mainly because he was coming back after an injury.

so overall they are all on a par with each other and all down to which one brought to the team .

They are on a par? But its well known and accepted that Cisse wasn't good enough for us 

In terms of goals they are on a par - as for cisse i would compare him with babel - great ability and pace and power but lack of football awareness - good enough for us ? as a starter week in week out ? not for me . as a back up - yes as he does score goals , but i dont think i would want him in the squad due to lack of work ethic and his attitude .

work ethic... hard work... gives 200%.. etc etc... means fck all if you dont have the skills... im not talking about Kuyt im just talking in general... some of the best players in the world today, playing for some clubs that win big things, dont have the work ethic and dont work hard according to many....


hard work is overrated, just ask Daws 

that is so wrong... whether you have skills or not you need hard work to help you to get somewhere... there are so many talented young players out there. To make it into the professional leagues you need discipline and hard work as simple as that... did you think Gerrard didn't work hard? did you think Torres didn't work hard? Did you think Carragher didn't work hard? hard work gets you somewhere. Skills without hard work doesn't get you nowhere...

good stuff.. so Cisse, Ibrahimovic (sorry had to throw him in there)..etc all do work hard or else they wouldnt have played at the biggest stages like they did...

They worked hard to get to where they are now... but then they need to continue to work hard and have a good attitude... if gerrard didn't continue to work hard under houllier and rafa he wouldn't have become world class... so too carragher... there are different levels of working hard...

sigh... it is quite difficult to explain the subtleties to those who over generalize...

[aCe']

cisse got 5 goals in 16 games 4 in the league and 1 in europe so total of 5 in 25 games- the season afterwards he got 7 in 33 games in league , 2 in fa cup , 8 in 14 in europe , so 17 in 58 games . so 73 games he got 22 goals .

22 goals in 43 starts for Cisse.....36 of his appearances were as a sub,mainly because he was coming back after an injury.

so overall they are all on a par with each other and all down to which one brought to the team .

They are on a par? But its well known and accepted that Cisse wasn't good enough for us 

In terms of goals they are on a par - as for cisse i would compare him with babel - great ability and pace and power but lack of football awareness - good enough for us ? as a starter week in week out ? not for me . as a back up - yes as he does score goals , but i dont think i would want him in the squad due to lack of work ethic and his attitude .

work ethic... hard work... gives 200%.. etc etc... means fck all if you dont have the skills... im not talking about Kuyt im just talking in general... some of the best players in the world today, playing for some clubs that win big things, dont have the work ethic and dont work hard according to many....


hard work is overrated, just ask Daws 

that is so wrong... whether you have skills or not you need hard work to help you to get somewhere... there are so many talented young players out there. To make it into the professional leagues you need discipline and hard work as simple as that... did you think Gerrard didn't work hard? did you think Torres didn't work hard? Did you think Carragher didn't work hard? hard work gets you somewhere. Skills without hard work doesn't get you nowhere...

good stuff.. so Cisse, Ibrahimovic (sorry had to throw him in there)..etc all do work hard or else they wouldnt have played at the biggest stages like they did...

They worked hard to get to where they are now... but then they need to continue to work hard and have a good attitude... if gerrard didn't continue to work hard under houllier and rafa he wouldn't have become world class... so too carragher... there are different levels of working hard...

sigh... it is quite difficult to explain the subtleties to those who over generalize...

bottom line is, Cisse despite his goals was shipped out... people werent surprised when we got rid of him because it was obvious he wasnt good enough... his goals did little to save his Liverpool career...

The main argument when most talk about Kuyt nowadays is that he scores goals... i agree, goals are important to win games, and all credit to him for scoring the goals he did, but then again that doesnt mean he's suddenly become an excellent player because he scored 14 goals in a season... As some have pointed out, Alonso never scored and rarely provided assists, yet many saw him as one of our best/most important players regardless... anyone who watches the game rather than look up stats on wikipedia would know that its sometimes hard to measure a players contribution to the side using just goals and assists...

As things stand, Kuyts goals last season meant his position became somewhat safe for this season... if he can do anywhere near as well then dandy. Im not not sure many, if any, would be calling for us to drop him from the side if he does...
If he doesnt, then his contribution to the side will be questioned, just as it was in 07/08... hard work and giving 120% will only get us so far..

we shall wait and see, you know its going to be interesting with Kuyt, one way or the other...

[Penguins]

But you can count on one thing no matter what, he won't ever be dropped or substituted early no matter how poorly he performs 

[LFC2007]

95% of the regulars here called this one wrong. He went from being the new Roger Hunt/Robbie Fowler to 'Rafa's Sean Dundee' in the space of about 12 months, before eventually settling on Jimmy Case.

[agoodmentality]

the only good thing about having DK on the right side ,,

G Johnson will have good cover when he goes on one of those mazy runs,

[redbeergoggles]

Firstly I would like to say, I find the bullying on this thread contemptible ,the mob mentality that besieges anyone with any differing perspectives ,and then shamelessly suffocates their opinion with sarcastic barbs is seriously out of hand ......

Whilst I am of the opinion that Gerrard is without doubt the best midfielder in the world ,I think last season Kuyt's contribution  was equally as important as any Liverpool player ,but I wouldn't impose my opinion on anyone just because I have this obviously blinkered view ,Ok in hindsight maybe if wide screen tvs hadn't yet been introduced to my particular village ,and it was difficult to view any wing play per say ,I might also be of the view that Kuyt will never be of any particular importance to the current Liverpool team .

I will make this my last post in defence of Kuyt ,because for a man who in general never uses expletives to make a point, I am seriously on the verge ......
I will leave this particular thread with this message: he is appreciated fully by Scousers and Kop regulars   (GET OVER IT ) ....... FFS

[roberto green]

Firstly I would like to say, I find the bullying on this thread contemptible ,the mob mentality that besieges anyone with any differing perspectives ,and then shamelessly suffocates their opinion with sarcastic barbs is seriously out of hand ......

Whilst I am of the opinion that Gerrard is without doubt the best midfielder in the world ,I think last season Kuyt's contribution  was equally as important as any Liverpool player ,but I wouldn't impose my opinion on anyone just because I have this obviously blinkered view ,Ok in hindsight maybe if wide screen tvs hadn't yet been introduced to my particular village ,and it was difficult to view any wing play per say ,I might also be of the view that Kuyt will never be of any particular importance to the current Liverpool team .

I will make this my last post in defence of Kuyt ,because for a man who in general never uses expletives to make a point, I am seriously on the verge ......
I will leave this particular thread with this message: he is appreciated fully by Scousers and Kop regulars   (GET OVER IT ) ....... FFS

I know you are spot on I use to be a Kuyt non believer and then....... one day I was walking along minding my own business and suddenly the clouds parted and in the sky I saw a Kuyt flying in the sky and it kept flying of course because it was awful windy

[baldricks_cunning_plan]

People have to realise that you can't have 11 Steven Gerrard's in the side.

Kuyt was fantastic last year despite being a limited footballer. He's the easy target for fans because if Torres misses a sitter it's much easier to blame the ball from Kuyt than lay blame on our number 9. It seems some players can't be criticised, so that means it all falls to those like Dirk.

Without him we'd be much worse off. So he's not a Ronaldo or Messi but how many are? He's proven on numerous occasions he's not gonna work as a centre forward in England but he's proven on just as many, if not more, occasions that he more than pays his worth down the right wing.

[bigmick]

People have to realise that you can't have 11 Steven Gerrard's in the side.

Kuyt was fantastic last year despite being a limited footballer. He's the easy target for fans because if Torres misses a sitter it's much easier to blame the ball from Kuyt than lay blame on our number 9. It seems some players can't be criticised, so that means it all falls to those like Dirk.

Without him we'd be much worse off. So he's not a Ronaldo or Messi but how many are? He's proven on numerous occasions he's not gonna work as a centre forward in England but he's proven on just as many, if not more, occasions that he more than pays his worth down the right wing.

Totally agree with that. Kuyt was a vital part of our team last season, and I've no doubt he'll play a large role this season as well.

I think he's a decent player on the right side of midfield, and he does a good job.

[redbeergoggles]

People have to realise that you can't have 11 Steven Gerrard's in the side.

Kuyt was fantastic last year despite being a limited footballer. He's the easy target for fans because if Torres misses a sitter it's much easier to blame the ball from Kuyt than lay blame on our number 9. It seems some players can't be criticised, so that means it all falls to those like Dirk.

Without him we'd be much worse off. So he's not a Ronaldo or Messi but how many are? He's proven on numerous occasions he's not gonna work as a centre forward in England but he's proven on just as many, if not more, occasions that he more than pays his worth down the right wing.

I don't view Kuyt as a limited footballer fella ,without him we would have been seriously floundering ,his goals and assists simply cannot be overstated