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[devaney]

Grob as a goalie used to get some heavyweight criticism but many of his mistakes were simply as a result of him going where others feared. is Kuyt in the same category? It doesn't matter where he is on the pitch he never ever gives less than 100% and that's why he gets my vote. A few more vital goals before the end of the season and maybe he will convert the critics! His recent performances have been fantastic.

[RobinHood6969]

Grob as a goalie used to get some heavyweight criticism but many of his mistakes were simply as a result of him going where others feared. is Kuyt in the same category? It doesn't matter where he is on the pitch he never ever gives less than 100% and that's why he gets my vote. A few more vital goals before the end of the season and maybe he will convert the critics! His recent performances have been fantastic.

Yes hes been awesome

[GYBS]

GYBS would like to ask you would you want to stick kuyt next season on a permanant basis on the right or would you opt for a natural quality right mid player?

I told you guys where i stand, few posts above..

Have already said a few times i would like someone a bit more creative to work alongside what we have got at the moment - that doesnt mean i just want a pure right winger to replace kuyt - want someone who can come in and give us that little extra edge - someone who can play right or centre or left - ie silva or an arshavin type player. but Kuyt will play a lot of games again next season.

[Owzat]

GYBS would like to ask you would you want to stick kuyt next season on a permanant basis on the right or would you opt for a natural quality right mid player?

I told you guys where i stand, few posts above..

Have already said a few times i would like someone a bit more creative to work alongside what we have got at the moment - that doesnt mean i just want a pure right winger to replace kuyt - want someone who can come in and give us that little extra edge - someone who can play right or centre or left - ie silva or an arshavin type player. but Kuyt will play a lot of games again next season.

They say if it ain't broke don't fix it. Maybe there is a 'perfect solution' to the RM position, but I certainly wouldn't say it was broken in any way. And how much would a 'perfect solution' to our RM problem cost? Read rumours today we might be paying £20m for Silva. Assuming he isn't going to dislodge Riera or Gerrard then would one assume this is our 'perfect solution' to RM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Silva

Someone could contribute more than count from RM, but he more than carries his weight and I'd say he's arguably if not actually contributing more than Riera - maybe even Alonso. Some will say it isn't just the goals and assists that Alonso brings, well that's as true of Kuyt. Fingers quite often get pointed at Kuyt, but the truth is he isn't hugely more responsible for poor results than Gerrard or Torres. Kuyt contributes goals, it's when we're not scoring goals that we are dropping points (I won't repeat that statistic, but it's about not scoring more than one goal) and Kuyt is pulling his weight in that department - are the rest? If they're playing so much better than Kuyt, stats aside, then how come we're losing? Entirely Kuyt's fault then??!?!? Well it definitely isn't Torres' fault, or Gerrard's because we could NEVER blame them. So maybe it's Lucas, or Dossena, or Babel or Kuyt - even though Kuyt hasn't actually done much wrong. Bad game or two no doubt, poor touch at times definitely, but scapegoat equally definitely.

Roll in the next Jermaine Pennant and he'll be discarded the same as the original, mark my words. Is Riera getting the games because he's f in fantastic or because Babel, and at times Benayoun, is f in feeble on the left? Pennant played 34 Premiership games in 06/07, 18 in 07/08 and just 3 in 08/09. Did the player become bad overnight or was it simply Rafa found a better solution? That's not to say Rafa couldn't with Kuyt, or indeed Riera, but we know with Kuyt what we'll get and I doubt many will match him overall in goals, assists, defending, teamwork and effort. I bet you won't find many RMs that will give you better in the first two and much at all in the last three. He's not quite the Gerrard of the RM, but he's a lot closer to it than most RMs are and will be.

[RobinHood6969]

GYBS would like to ask you would you want to stick kuyt next season on a permanant basis on the right or would you opt for a natural quality right mid player?

I told you guys where i stand, few posts above..

Have already said a few times i would like someone a bit more creative to work alongside what we have got at the moment - that doesnt mean i just want a pure right winger to replace kuyt - want someone who can come in and give us that little extra edge - someone who can play right or centre or left - ie silva or an arshavin type player. but Kuyt will play a lot of games again next season.

They say if it ain't broke don't fix it. Maybe there is a 'perfect solution' to the RM position, but I certainly wouldn't say it was broken in any way. And how much would a 'perfect solution' to our RM problem cost? Read rumours today we might be paying £20m for Silva. Assuming he isn't going to dislodge Riera or Gerrard then would one assume this is our 'perfect solution' to RM?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Silva

Someone could contribute more than count from RM, but he more than carries his weight and I'd say he's arguably if not actually contributing more than Riera - maybe even Alonso. Some will say it isn't just the goals and assists that Alonso brings, well that's as true of Kuyt. Fingers quite often get pointed at Kuyt, but the truth is he isn't hugely more responsible for poor results than Gerrard or Torres. Kuyt contributes goals, it's when we're not scoring goals that we are dropping points (I won't repeat that statistic, but it's about not scoring more than one goal) and Kuyt is pulling his weight in that department - are the rest? If they're playing so much better than Kuyt, stats aside, then how come we're losing? Entirely Kuyt's fault then??!?!? Well it definitely isn't Torres' fault, or Gerrard's because we could NEVER blame them. So maybe it's Lucas, or Dossena, or Babel or Kuyt - even though Kuyt hasn't actually done much wrong. Bad game or two no doubt, poor touch at times definitely, but scapegoat equally definitely.

Roll in the next Jermaine Pennant and he'll be discarded the same as the original, mark my words. Is Riera getting the games because he's f in fantastic or because Babel, and at times Benayoun, is f in feeble on the left? Pennant played 34 Premiership games in 06/07, 18 in 07/08 and just 3 in 08/09. Did the player become bad overnight or was it simply Rafa found a better solution? That's not to say Rafa couldn't with Kuyt, or indeed Riera, but we know with Kuyt what we'll get and I doubt many will match him overall in goals, assists, defending, teamwork and effort. I bet you won't find many RMs that will give you better in the first two and much at all in the last three. He's not quite the Gerrard of the RM, but he's a lot closer to it than most RMs are and will be.

Nice one Owzat

[Reg]

Silva might be brought in for RM but Kuyt will stay because we need a strong squad, not just 1st XI.

As the lad quoting Rafa demonstrated above, it doesnt mean that Kuyt isnt a great player as clearly he is one of the 1st XI´s most effective players and has beeen for the past 2 seasons.

[RobinHood6969]

Yes our first 11 and first 20 oceans apart in class. This would matter in a long season. once we have say 16 world class players in our squad we would be right up there competing in all the cups

[GYBS]

The good thing about silva is he is able to operate both sides of the flanks plus in the centre supporting a striker - he did that for a whole season 07/09 when morientis was out injured and created a fair number of goals working with Villa . So silva can replace either kuyt or reira or play in the gerrard position .

[RobinHood6969]

The good thing about silva is he is able to operate both sides of the flanks plus in the centre supporting a striker - he did that for a whole season 07/09 when morientis was out injured and created a fair number of goals working with Villa . So silva can replace either kuyt or reira or play in the gerrard position .

Yes and the lads game looks really nice. He was amazing in the Euros,both when he played as left winger and as a right winger. once we get people who can switc wings in a game we would start whacking the defensive teams

[Owzat]

I think we have some very good performers, I think some just get more credit perhaps than Kuyt does for doing no more (or necessarily less) than Kuyt. Yet it seems so many just want Kuyt out, in terms of importance to the team I'd say he's behind the very most important players like Torres, Gerrard, Reina and Carragher (arguably Alonso too), but right in there with Skrtel, Mascherano, Aurelio et al. It happens that his goals and assists do often turn out to be crucial, while he might not have brilliant games all season, he is a steady contributor and I fear relegating him to a squad member may reduce his effectiveness and quite possibly the team's. I definitely feel we still need strikers and a (back-up) RB before looking at replacing Kuyt, maybe even an attacking midfielder who can start games or come on as an impact sub - how many impact subs do we have?

I think Kuyt is more effective starting than he would be as sub, I've said (elsewhere) that one reason I might start fat frank for England and have Gerrard on the bench is because Gerrard would make more impact off the bench, even though I rate Gerrard as a better player. Sometimes sticking you need something on the bench so when your best XI doesn't produce results, there is something on the bench to change things. A bit of pace against tired legs, something different for the defenders to think about, a Luis Garcia type who isn't entirely predictable and doesn't always come off with his creativity attempts, but can score crucial goals and/or unlock defences. Kuyt is no pace merchant, so maybe having a quicker replacement on the bench and starting with Kuyt would cover our options better.

More impact off the subs bench?

Kuyt or Benayoun?
Kuyt or Babel?
Kuyt or Torres?
Kuyt or Gerrard?
Kuyt or Alonso?

[Reg]

Is Yossi suddenly surplus to requirements?

[tubby]

Definatley not surplus. We need a strong squad, not just a strong starting 11. I hope he stays past the summer.

[Owzat]

Is Yossi suddenly surplus to requirements?

I think he can be a very important squad player, either an unpredictable impact sub or I'd like to see him in Gerrard's role when Gerrard is rested/injured/suspended. He can also fill in on the wings, although I feel less happy with him on the right than with Kuyt there. Benayoun chips in with goals, he has the last two hat-tricks scored by a Liverpool player other than Gerrard or Torres, albeit they were only against Besiktas and Havant & W.

I'd even consider using him as a striker when Torres is injured instead of Kuyt, until we get back to a decent strength compliment of strikers.

[GYBS]

If we get silva than i think yes unfortunatly yossi will not be needed as much tbh . decent player for us and has done well last couple of weeks before he got injured but still think we need the next step above him .

[Owzat]

If we get silva than i think yes unfortunatly yossi will not be needed as much tbh . decent player for us and has done well last couple of weeks before he got injured but still think we need the next step above him .

I think fergie got it right after three years without winning the league. He made few changes, a few tinkers. Rafa is sometimes guilty of too many changes which can unsettle the squad. And we're as guilty, we probably play too much football management and don't factor in stability and continuity